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The show received notoriety even before its TV debut, thanks to the heavy advertising campaign the TV station gave it. When it finally aired, it quickly gained a [[Hype Backlash|bad reputation]] due to the several serious problems that plagued it. Besides its criminal overuse of ([[Visual Effects of Awesome|admittedly pretty]]) [[Stock Footage]], ''Clash of the Dinosaurs'' infamously ''[[Quote Mine|quote]]-[[Documentary of Lies|mined]]'' paleontology expert Mathew Wedel who appeared on it, and presented wild theories as solid facts. Thanks to these shortcomings, the program is nowadays considered by dinosaur fanatics to be one of the worst [[Somewhere a Palaeontologist Is Crying|dino-documentaries]] of recent times, and the offended scientist actually [http://svpow.wordpress.com/2009/12/15/lies-damned-lies-and-clash-of-the-dinosaurs/ encouraged his fellow paleontologists to boycott the production company].
The show received notoriety even before its TV debut, thanks to the heavy advertising campaign the TV station gave it. When it finally aired, it quickly gained a [[Hype Backlash|bad reputation]] due to the several serious problems that plagued it. Besides its criminal overuse of ([[Visual Effects of Awesome|admittedly pretty]]) [[Stock Footage]], ''Clash of the Dinosaurs'' infamously ''[[Quote Mine|quote]]-[[Documentary of Lies|mined]]'' paleontology expert Mathew Wedel who appeared on it, and presented wild theories as solid facts. Thanks to these shortcomings, the program is nowadays considered by dinosaur fanatics to be one of the worst [[Somewhere a Palaeontologist Is Crying|dino-documentaries]] of recent times, and the offended scientist actually [http://svpow.wordpress.com/2009/12/15/lies-damned-lies-and-clash-of-the-dinosaurs/ encouraged his fellow paleontologists to boycott the production company].


The series was followed by a special titled '''''The Last Day of the Dinosaurs'''''. This time, the producers told us their story of [[Exactly What It Says On the Tin|how these majestic creatures went extinct]]. This one had fewer problems.
The series was followed by a special titled '''''The Last Day of the Dinosaurs'''''. This time, the producers told us their story of [[Exactly What It Says on the Tin|how these majestic creatures went extinct]]. This one had fewer problems.
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=== A list of tropes that appear in the series: ===


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* [[Anachronism Stew]]: Easily avoided, since not that many animals appear, and the ones that do were contemporaries in [[Real Life]].
* [[Anachronism Stew]]: Easily avoided, since not that many animals appear, and the ones that do were contemporaries in [[Real Life]].
** Actually, the program implies that ''[[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|Deinonychus]]'' fed on juvenile [[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|tyrannosaurs]], while there was a 30-million year gap between the two.
** Actually, the program implies that ''[[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|Deinonychus]]'' fed on juvenile [[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|tyrannosaurs]], while there was a 30-million year gap between the two.
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* [[Crapsack World]]: The end of the Mesozoic.
* [[Crapsack World]]: The end of the Mesozoic.
* [[Curb Stomp Battle]]: To paraphrase one talking head, using his hands to represent dinosaurs:
* [[Curb Stomp Battle]]: To paraphrase one talking head, using his hands to represent dinosaurs:
{{quote| (in high voice) "Hi, I'm a ''[[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|Deinonychus]]''!"<br />
{{quote|(in high voice) "Hi, I'm a ''[[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|Deinonychus]]''!"<br />
(in low voice) "Hi, I'm a ''[[Useful Notes/Prehistoric Life Sauropods|Sauroposeidon]]''!"<br />
(in low voice) "Hi, I'm a ''[[Prehistoric Life/Dinosaurs/Sauropods|Sauroposeidon]]''!"<br />
(squishing motion) }}
(squishing motion) }}
* [[Documentary of Lies]]: To quote Thomas R. Holtz, Jr., a talking head on the show:
* [[Documentary of Lies]]: To quote Thomas R. Holtz, Jr., a talking head on the show:
{{quote| "For those going to watch the show, a warning: The documentarians often take anything that any of the talking heads speculated about, and transformed these into declarative statements of fact. In some cases this is particularly egregious, because I strongly disagree with some of these statements and believe the facts are against some of these (say, about tyrannosaurid [[wikipedia:Cranial kinesis|cranial kinesis]]…) and they present these as facts rather than suppositions."}}
{{quote|"For those going to watch the show, a warning: The documentarians often take anything that any of the talking heads speculated about, and transformed these into declarative statements of fact. In some cases this is particularly egregious, because I strongly disagree with some of these statements and believe the facts are against some of these (say, about tyrannosaurid [[wikipedia:Cranial kinesis|cranial kinesis]]…) and they present these as facts rather than suppositions."}}
* [[Eats Babies]]: ''[[Stock Dinosaurs Non Dinosaurs|Quetzalcoatlus]]'' and ''[[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|Deinonychus]]''.
* [[Eats Babies]]: ''[[Stock Dinosaurs Non Dinosaurs|Quetzalcoatlus]]'' and ''[[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|Deinonychus]]''.
* [[Everything's Better With Dinosaurs]]: Goes without saying.
* [[Everything's Better with Dinosaurs]]: Goes without saying.
* [[Eye Scream]]: The ''[[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|Triceratops]]'' stabs the ''[[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|Tyrannosaurus]]'' in the eye.
* [[Eye Scream]]: The ''[[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|Triceratops]]'' stabs the ''[[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|Tyrannosaurus]]'' in the eye.
* [[Feathered Fiend]]: ''[[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|Deinonychus]]''. And it's actually shown ''[[Shown Their Work|feathered]]''.
* [[Feathered Fiend]]: ''[[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|Deinonychus]]''. And it's actually shown ''[[Shown Their Work|feathered]]''.
* [[Foregone Conclusion]]: The extinction event at the end of the Cretaceous {{spoiler|[[It Was His Sled|happens]]}}.
* [[Foregone Conclusion]]: The extinction event at the end of the Cretaceous {{spoiler|[[It Was His Sled|happens]]}}.
* [[Giant Flyer]]: ''[[Stock Dinosaurs Non Dinosaurs|Quetzalcoatlus]]''.
* [[Giant Flyer]]: ''[[Stock Dinosaurs Non Dinosaurs|Quetzalcoatlus]]''.
* [[Gorn]]: The ''[[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|Deinonychus]]'' pack attacking the young ''[[Useful Notes/Prehistoric Life Sauropods|Sauroposeidon]]''.
* [[Gorn]]: The ''[[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|Deinonychus]]'' pack attacking the young ''[[Prehistoric Life/Dinosaurs/Sauropods|Sauroposeidon]]''.
* [[Infant Immortality]]: Averted, as the ''[[Stock Dinosaurs Non Dinosaurs|Quetzalcoatlus]]'' preys on ''[[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|T. rex]]'' babies.
* [[Infant Immortality]]: Averted, as the ''[[Stock Dinosaurs Non Dinosaurs|Quetzalcoatlus]]'' preys on ''[[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|T. rex]]'' babies.
** Same thing with the ''[[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|Deinonychus]]'' pair and the young ''[[Useful Notes/Prehistoric Life Sauropods|Sauroposeidon]]''.
** Same thing with the ''[[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|Deinonychus]]'' pair and the young ''[[Prehistoric Life/Dinosaurs/Sauropods|Sauroposeidon]]''.
* [[Mexican Standoff]]: This is what the [[Narrator]] calls the situation the ''Saurornithoides'' and ''Charonosaurus'' find themselves in. The former is trying to steal the latter's egg.
* [[Mexican Standoff]]: This is what the [[Narrator]] calls the situation the ''Saurornithoides'' and ''Charonosaurus'' find themselves in. The former is trying to steal the latter's egg.
* [[Misplaced Wildlife]]: The narration suggests that ''Tyrannosaurus'' lived in Asia, when it was strictly North American. To be fair, some include the Asian ''Tarbosaurus'' in the genus, but most (both then & now) consider them distinct.
* [[Misplaced Wildlife]]: The narration suggests that ''Tyrannosaurus'' lived in Asia, when it was strictly North American. To be fair, some include the Asian ''Tarbosaurus'' in the genus, but most (both then & now) consider them distinct.
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* [[Ptero-Soarer]]: A scaly, UV-seeing ''[[Stock Dinosaurs Non Dinosaurs|Quetzalcoatlus]]''.
* [[Ptero-Soarer]]: A scaly, UV-seeing ''[[Stock Dinosaurs Non Dinosaurs|Quetzalcoatlus]]''.
* [[Quote Mine]]: Poor, poor Mathew Wedel.
* [[Quote Mine]]: Poor, poor Mathew Wedel.
* [[Raptor Attack]]: The ''[[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|Deinonychus]]'' at least have feathers, but are shown killing a ''[[Useful Notes/Prehistoric Life Sauropods|Sauroposeidon]]'' with ridiculous ease.
* [[Raptor Attack]]: The ''[[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|Deinonychus]]'' at least have feathers, but are shown killing a ''[[Prehistoric Life/Dinosaurs/Sauropods|Sauroposeidon]]'' with ridiculous ease.
* [[Rule of Cool]]: [[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|Hadrosaurs]] using a sonic weapon against [[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|theropods]]? A pair of [[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|small raptors]] attacking a sub-adult [[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|sauropod]]? Do note, when the talking head<ref>The one who was quote-mined, at that!</ref> said "juvenile sauropod" and "pack of raptors", he meant tiny babies and a huge pack, but the animators instead used the largest animal that would still qualify as a "non-adult" specimen getting mauled by a pair of raptors.
* [[Rule of Cool]]: [[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|Hadrosaurs]] using a sonic weapon against [[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|theropods]]? A pair of [[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|small raptors]] attacking a sub-adult [[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|sauropod]]? Do note, when the talking head<ref>The one who was quote-mined, at that!</ref> said "juvenile sauropod" and "pack of raptors", he meant tiny babies and a huge pack, but the animators instead used the largest animal that would still qualify as a "non-adult" specimen getting mauled by a pair of raptors.
* [[Seldom-Seen Species]]: ''Sauroposeidon'', ''Charonosaurus'' and ''Saurornithoides''.
* [[Seldom-Seen Species]]: ''Sauroposeidon'', ''Charonosaurus'' and ''Saurornithoides''.
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** To clarify that quote-mining part: the expert was trying to clear up the misconception that large dinosaurs had two brains (one in their head, one in their hip-region). The editors made it sound like he was confirming the notion.
** To clarify that quote-mining part: the expert was trying to clear up the misconception that large dinosaurs had two brains (one in their head, one in their hip-region). The editors made it sound like he was confirming the notion.
** What more, he clearly said that [[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|sauropods]] most likely covered their eggs with vegetation. The CGI clip shows a sauropod leaving its eggs ''out in the open''. [[You Fail Biology Forever]] or [[They Just Didn't Care]]?
** What more, he clearly said that [[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|sauropods]] most likely covered their eggs with vegetation. The CGI clip shows a sauropod leaving its eggs ''out in the open''. [[You Fail Biology Forever]] or [[They Just Didn't Care]]?
** When their eggs hatch, the young sauropods and [[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|tyrannosaurids]] look exactly the same as the adults. "[[Walking With Dinosaurs|Sauropodlets]]" and "[[Dinosaur Revolution (TV)|rexlings]]" actually had way different body proportions.
** When their eggs hatch, the young sauropods and [[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|tyrannosaurids]] look exactly the same as the adults. "[[Walking with Dinosaurs|Sauropodlets]]" and "[[Dinosaur Revolution|rexlings]]" actually had way different body proportions.
** Their [[Meaningful Name|duck-billed]] [[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|dinosaurs]] have fleshy lips.
** Their [[Meaningful Name|duck-billed]] [[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|dinosaurs]] have fleshy lips.
** While the [[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|raptors]] were nice and feathered, they still weren't quite feathered ''enough''.
** While the [[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|raptors]] were nice and feathered, they still weren't quite feathered ''enough''.
** Recycling of animation models meant that the lean troodontid ''[[Useful Notes/Prehistoric Life - Birdlike Theropods|Saurornithoides]]'' looked the same as the relatively robust dromaeosaurid ''[[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|Deinonychus]]''.
** Recycling of animation models meant that the lean troodontid ''[[Prehistoric Life/Dinosaurs/Birdlike Theropods|Saurornithoides]]'' looked the same as the relatively robust dromaeosaurid ''[[Stock Dinosaurs True Dinosaurs|Deinonychus]]''.
* [[Speculative Documentary]]: Maybe a bit too speculative.
* [[Speculative Documentary]]: Maybe a bit too speculative.
* [[Stock Dinosaurs]]: ''Tyrannosaurus'', ''Triceratops'', ''Ankylosaurus'', ''Parasaurolophus'', ''Deinonychus'' and ''Quetzalcoatlus''. Sadly, along with the sauropod ''Sauroposeidon'', [[Small Taxonomy Pools|those are the only creatures in the doc]].
* [[Stock Dinosaurs]]: ''Tyrannosaurus'', ''Triceratops'', ''Ankylosaurus'', ''Parasaurolophus'', ''Deinonychus'' and ''Quetzalcoatlus''. Sadly, along with the sauropod ''Sauroposeidon'', [[Small Taxonomy Pools|those are the only creatures in the doc]].
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* [[Tyrannosaurus Rex]]
* [[Tyrannosaurus Rex]]
* [[Viewers Are Goldfish]]: To quote the quote-mined paleontologist:
* [[Viewers Are Goldfish]]: To quote the quote-mined paleontologist:
{{quote| "[The program] is incredibly repetitive, to the point that I found it hard to watch for any length of time without my attention wandering. Not just the CGI clips, but the narration as well. You’ll learn in 30 seconds why females tend to be choosier about mates than males (eggs are more expensive than sperm), and spend the next 15 minutes having that slowly beaten in your brain using as much empty verbiage as possible. Ditto every other fact on the show."}}
{{quote|"[The program] is incredibly repetitive, to the point that I found it hard to watch for any length of time without my attention wandering. Not just the CGI clips, but the narration as well. You’ll learn in 30 seconds why females tend to be choosier about mates than males (eggs are more expensive than sperm), and spend the next 15 minutes having that slowly beaten in your brain using as much empty verbiage as possible. Ditto every other fact on the show."}}


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Latest revision as of 20:42, 12 August 2019

Clash of the Dinosaurs (2009) is one of Discovery Channel's many dinosaur-related documentaries. It was presented in a Miniseries format, and contained a grand total of four hour-long episodes. Each concentrated on different aspects of the dinosaur lifestyle, such as how they coped with environmental changes, how they hunted and defended themselves, and how they reproduced.

The show received notoriety even before its TV debut, thanks to the heavy advertising campaign the TV station gave it. When it finally aired, it quickly gained a bad reputation due to the several serious problems that plagued it. Besides its criminal overuse of (admittedly pretty) Stock Footage, Clash of the Dinosaurs infamously quote-mined paleontology expert Mathew Wedel who appeared on it, and presented wild theories as solid facts. Thanks to these shortcomings, the program is nowadays considered by dinosaur fanatics to be one of the worst dino-documentaries of recent times, and the offended scientist actually encouraged his fellow paleontologists to boycott the production company.

The series was followed by a special titled The Last Day of the Dinosaurs. This time, the producers told us their story of how these majestic creatures went extinct. This one had fewer problems.

Tropes used in Clash of the Dinosaurs include:

(in high voice) "Hi, I'm a Deinonychus!"

(in low voice) "Hi, I'm a Sauroposeidon!"

(squishing motion)

"For those going to watch the show, a warning: The documentarians often take anything that any of the talking heads speculated about, and transformed these into declarative statements of fact. In some cases this is particularly egregious, because I strongly disagree with some of these statements and believe the facts are against some of these (say, about tyrannosaurid cranial kinesis…) and they present these as facts rather than suppositions."

"[The program] is incredibly repetitive, to the point that I found it hard to watch for any length of time without my attention wandering. Not just the CGI clips, but the narration as well. You’ll learn in 30 seconds why females tend to be choosier about mates than males (eggs are more expensive than sperm), and spend the next 15 minutes having that slowly beaten in your brain using as much empty verbiage as possible. Ditto every other fact on the show."

  1. The one who was quote-mined, at that!