Oliver Twist/YMMV: Difference between revisions

Everything About Fiction You Never Wanted to Know.
Content added Content deleted
(Rescuing 0 sources and tagging 2 as dead. #IABot (v2.0beta9))
m (Reverted edits by InternetArchiveBot (talk) to last revision by Dai-Guard)
Tag: Rollback
 
Line 1: Line 1:
{{work}}
<!DOCTYPE html>
* [[Complete Monster]]: While Fagin is the better-remembered villain, Bill Sikes plays this role in the book. Everyone is terrified of him and he performs the only deeds of ''true'' brutality in the story. None of the other villains (Fagin, Monks, or what have you) come close to matching him in being an utter bastard.
<html class="client-nojs" lang="en" dir="ltr">
* [[Crowning Moment of Funny]]/[[Crowning Moment of Awesome]]: The Artful Dodger in court.
<head>
* [[Crowning Moment of Heartwarming]]: Numerous.
<meta charset="UTF-8"/>
* [[Ensemble Darkhorse]]: The Artful Dodger is generally considered the most popular character in the story.
<title>Login required - All The Tropes</title>
* [[Iron Woobie]]: Nancy.
<script>document.documentElement.className = document.documentElement.className.replace( /(^|\s)client-nojs(\s|$)/, "$1client-js$2" );</script>
* [[Moral Event Horizon]]: Bill Sikes' {{spoiler|murder of Nancy definitely counts}}.
<script>(window.RLQ=window.RLQ||[]).push(function(){mw.config.set({"wgCanonicalNamespace":"Special","wgCanonicalSpecialPageName":"Badtitle","wgNamespaceNumber":-1,"wgPageName":"Special:Badtitle","wgTitle":"Badtitle","wgCurRevisionId":0,"wgRevisionId":0,"wgArticleId":0,"wgIsArticle":false,"wgIsRedirect":false,"wgAction":"view","wgUserName":null,"wgUserGroups":["*"],"wgCategories":[],"wgBreakFrames":true,"wgPageContentLanguage":"en","wgPageContentModel":"wikitext","wgSeparatorTransformTable":["",""],"wgDigitTransformTable":["",""],"wgDefaultDateFormat":"dmy","wgMonthNames":["","January","February","March","April","May","June","July","August","September","October","November","December"],"wgMonthNamesShort":["","Jan","Feb","Mar","Apr","May","Jun","Jul","Aug","Sep","Oct","Nov","Dec"],"wgRelevantPageName":"Special:Badtitle","wgRelevantArticleId":0,"wgRequestId":"6fc8aa52ed720e17ba4b7f75","wgIsProbablyEditable":false,"wgRelevantPageIsProbablyEditable":false,"wgBetaFeaturesFeatures":[],"wgWikiEditorEnabledModules":[],"wgCategoryTreePageCategoryOptions":"{\"mode\":0,\"hideprefix\":20,\"showcount\":true,\"namespaces\":false}","wgCollapsibleVectorEnabledModules":{"collapsiblenav":true,"experiments":true},"wgMetrolookEnabledModules":{"collapsiblenav":true},"wgPreferredVariant":"en","wgMFExpandAllSectionsUserOption":true,"wgMFEnableFontChanger":true,"wgMFDisplayWikibaseDescriptions":{"search":false,"nearby":false,"watchlist":false,"tagline":false},"wgMediaViewerOnClick":false,"wgMediaViewerEnabledByDefault":true,"wgPopupsShouldSendModuleToUser":true,"wgPopupsConflictsWithNavPopupGadget":false,"wgRelatedArticles":null,"wgRelatedArticlesUseCirrusSearch":false,"wgRelatedArticlesOnlyUseCirrusSearch":false,"wgVisualEditor":{"pageLanguageCode":"en","pageLanguageDir":"ltr","pageVariantFallbacks":"en","usePageImages":true,"usePageDescriptions":false},"wgNoticeProject":"open","wgCentralNoticeCookiesToDelete":[],"wgCentralNoticeCategoriesUsingLegacy":["Fundraising","fundraising"],"wgCentralAuthMobileDomain":false,"wgVisualEditorToolbarScrollOffset":0,"wgVisualEditorUnsupportedEditParams":["undo","undoafter","veswitched"],"wgEditSubmitButtonLabelPublish":false});mw.loader.state({"ext.globalCssJs.user.styles":"ready","ext.globalCssJs.site.styles":"ready","ext.gadget.NoSmallFonts":"ready","site.styles":"ready","noscript":"ready","user.styles":"ready","user":"ready","user.options":"ready","user.tokens":"loading","ext.socialprofile.responsive":"ready","ext.visualEditor.desktopArticleTarget.noscript":"ready","mediawiki.legacy.shared":"ready","mediawiki.legacy.commonPrint":"ready","mediawiki.sectionAnchor":"ready","mediawiki.skinning.interface":"ready","skins.vector.styles":"ready","ext.globalCssJs.user":"ready","ext.globalCssJs.site":"ready"});mw.loader.implement("user.tokens@0phoura",function($,jQuery,require,module){/*@nomin*/mw.user.tokens.set({"editToken":"+\\","patrolToken":"+\\","watchToken":"+\\","csrfToken":"+\\"});
** Also, {{spoiler|Nancy, Charley and [[The Artful Dodger]] grabbing Oliver and bringing him back to Fagin's clutches. Nancy, however, ends up excused for this through virtue of having a [[Heroic BSOD]] when she fully realizes how screwed up this was, and openly calls Fagin out before collapsing out of stress.}}
});mw.loader.load(["site","mediawiki.page.startup","mediawiki.user","mediawiki.hidpi","mediawiki.page.ready","mediawiki.searchSuggest","ext.centralauth.centralautologin","ext.collapsiblevector.collapsibleNav","ext.eventLogging.subscriber","ext.gadget.ATTSiteCode","ext.gadget.Altredirects","ext.gadget.purgetab","ext.gadget.Auto_Complete","ext.gadget.HotLicense","ext.gadget.Edittools","ext.hideSection","ext.popups","ext.urlShortener.toolbar","ext.visualEditor.desktopArticleTarget.init","ext.visualEditor.targetLoader","ext.centralNotice.geoIP","skins.vector.js"]);});</script>
** Monks's biggest one is {{spoiler|arranging to have his 12-year-old half-brother Oliver's life ''completely destroyed'' without real reason other than pettiness and jealousy.}} Specially marked when {{spoiler|he takes the [[Orphan's Plot Trinket|Orphans Plot Trinkets]] from Bumble and Corney and ''tosses them into the Thames'' so no one will ever be able to prove that Oliver is the son of Agnes and Edwin Leeford.}}
<link rel="stylesheet" href="/w/load.php?debug=false&amp;lang=en&amp;modules=ext.socialprofile.responsive%7Cext.visualEditor.desktopArticleTarget.noscript%7Cmediawiki.legacy.commonPrint%2Cshared%7Cmediawiki.sectionAnchor%7Cmediawiki.skinning.interface%7Cskins.vector.styles&amp;only=styles&amp;skin=vector"/>
* [[Purity Sue]]: The whole Maylie family. Don't remember them? That's probably because they're among the first things to get cut from most adaptations.
<script async="" src="/w/load.php?debug=false&amp;lang=en&amp;modules=startup&amp;only=scripts&amp;skin=vector"></script>
** To make matters worse, they seem to exist merely for [[Author Appeal]], and the sections involving them can be almost entirely excised from the story without hurting the plot one bit.
<meta name="ResourceLoaderDynamicStyles" content=""/>
* [[Tastes Like Diabetes]]: The description of how Oliver started to live with the Maylies. A more sinister twist on this is how the parish people (Mr. Bumble even) openly play this trope to the hilt to seem caring to the outside world, and in truth are cold blooded assholes in private who'd just rather watch the poor die off in droves.
<link rel="stylesheet" href="/w/load.php?debug=false&amp;lang=en&amp;modules=ext.gadget.NoSmallFonts&amp;only=styles&amp;skin=vector"/>
* [[The Woobie]]: Dickens' bread and butter was this trope. Oliver and Nancy are both examples.
<link rel="stylesheet" href="/w/load.php?debug=false&amp;lang=en&amp;modules=site.styles&amp;only=styles&amp;skin=vector"/>

<meta name="generator" content="MediaWiki 1.31.1"/>
=== The various adaptations contain examples of: ===
<meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow"/>
* [[Alternate Character Interpretation]]: Chafing at the antisemetic portrayal of Fagin, Will Eisner created wrote a comic in which Fagin is a misunderstood antihero.
<link rel="apple-touch-icon" href="/apple-touch-icon.png"/>
** Or, to be more precise, in which Fagin has gone [[Then Let Me Be Evil]] to the world combined with what, if it had been published at the time Dickens wrote in, would have been rather pointed social commentary about the ill effects of limiting the career paths of an entire group.
<link rel="shortcut icon" href="/favicon.ico"/>
* [[Funny Aneurysm Moment]]: In the 1997 adaptation, Dodger is sent to prison instead of Australia, presumably not to offend Australians. Dodger's talk about [[Prison Rape|all the things he'll learn in prison]] becomes [[Dude, Not Funny|less funny]] and more disturbing the older you get.
<link rel="search" type="application/opensearchdescription+xml" href="/w/opensearch_desc.php" title="All The Tropes (en)"/>

<link rel="EditURI" type="application/rsd+xml" href="https://allthetropes.org/w/api.php?action=rsd"/>
{{reflist}}
<link rel="license" href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/"/>
[[Category:Oliver Twist]]
<link rel="alternate" type="application/atom+xml" title="All The Tropes Atom feed" href="/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&amp;feed=atom"/>
[[Category:YMMV]]
<link rel="dns-prefetch" href="//login.miraheze.org"/>
<!--[if lt IE 9]><script src="/w/load.php?debug=false&amp;lang=en&amp;modules=html5shiv&amp;only=scripts&amp;skin=vector&amp;sync=1"></script><![endif]-->
</head>
<body class="mediawiki ltr sitedir-ltr mw-hide-empty-elt ns--1 ns-special mw-special-Badtitle page-Special_Badtitle rootpage-Special_Badtitle skin-vector action-view"> <div id="mw-page-base" class="noprint"></div>
<div id="mw-head-base" class="noprint"></div>
<div id="content" class="mw-body" role="main">
<a id="top"></a>
<div id="siteNotice" class="mw-body-content"><!-- CentralNotice --></div><div class="mw-indicators mw-body-content">
</div>
<h1 id="firstHeading" class="firstHeading" lang="en">Login required</h1> <div id="bodyContent" class="mw-body-content">
<div id="contentSub"></div>
<div id="jump-to-nav" class="mw-jump">
Jump to: <a href="#mw-head">navigation</a>, <a href="#p-search">search</a>
</div>
<div id="mw-content-text">Please <a href="/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&amp;returnto=Oliver+Twist%2FYMMV&amp;returntoquery=action%3Draw" title="Special:UserLogin">log in</a> to view other pages.<p id="mw-returnto">Return to <a href="/wiki/Main_Page" title="Main Page">Main Page</a>.</p>
<noscript><img src="https://allthetropes.org/wiki/Special:CentralAutoLogin/start?type=1x1" alt="" title="" width="1" height="1" style="border: none; position: absolute;" /></noscript></div> <div class="printfooter">
Retrieved from "<a dir="ltr" href="https://allthetropes.org/wiki/Special:Badtitle">https://allthetropes.org/wiki/Special:Badtitle{{Dead link}}</a>" </div>
<div id="catlinks" class="catlinks catlinks-allhidden" data-mw="interface"></div> <div class="visualClear"></div>
</div>
</div>
<div id="mw-navigation">
<h2>Navigation menu</h2>
<div id="mw-head">
<div id="p-personal" role="navigation" class="" aria-labelledby="p-personal-label">
<h3 id="p-personal-label">Personal tools</h3>
<ul>
<li id="pt-login-private"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&amp;returnto=Oliver+Twist%2FYMMV&amp;returntoquery=action%3Draw" title="You need to log in to use this wiki [o]" accesskey="o">Log in</a></li> </ul>
</div>
<div id="left-navigation">
<div id="p-namespaces" role="navigation" class="vectorTabs" aria-labelledby="p-namespaces-label">
<h3 id="p-namespaces-label">Namespaces</h3>
<ul>
<li id="ca-nstab-special" class="selected"><span><a href="/w/index.php?action=raw&amp;title=Oliver+Twist%2FYMMV" title="This is a special page, and it cannot be edited">Special page</a></span></li> </ul>
</div>
<div id="p-variants" role="navigation" class="vectorMenu emptyPortlet" aria-labelledby="p-variants-label">
<input type="checkbox" class="vectorMenuCheckbox" aria-labelledby="p-variants-label" />
<h3 id="p-variants-label">
<span>Variants</span>
</h3>
<div class="menu">
<ul>
</ul>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div id="right-navigation">
<div id="p-views" role="navigation" class="vectorTabs emptyPortlet" aria-labelledby="p-views-label">
<h3 id="p-views-label">Views</h3>
<ul>
</ul>
</div>
<div id="p-cactions" role="navigation" class="vectorMenu emptyPortlet" aria-labelledby="p-cactions-label">
<input type="checkbox" class="vectorMenuCheckbox" aria-labelledby="p-cactions-label" />
<h3 id="p-cactions-label"><span>More</span></h3>
<div class="menu">
<ul>
</ul>
</div>
</div>
<div id="p-search" role="search">
<h3>
<label for="searchInput">Search</label>
</h3>
<form action="/w/index.php" id="searchform">
<div id="simpleSearch">
<input type="search" name="search" placeholder="Search All The Tropes" title="Search All The Tropes [f]" accesskey="f" id="searchInput"/><input type="hidden" value="Special:Search" name="title"/><input type="submit" name="fulltext" value="Search" title="Search the pages for this text" id="mw-searchButton" class="searchButton mw-fallbackSearchButton"/><input type="submit" name="go" value="Go" title="Go to a page with this exact name if it exists" id="searchButton" class="searchButton"/> </div>
</form>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div id="mw-panel">
<div id="p-logo" role="banner"><a class="mw-wiki-logo" href="/wiki/Main_Page" title="Visit the main page"></a></div>
<div class="portal" role="navigation" id="p-navigation" aria-labelledby="p-navigation-label">
<h3 id="p-navigation-label">Navigation</h3>
<div class="body">
<ul>
<li id="n-Home-Page"><a href="/wiki/Main_Page">Home Page</a></li><li id="n-ATT-Community-Portal"><a href="/wiki/All_The_Tropes:Community_Portal">ATT Community Portal</a></li><li id="n-recentchanges"><a href="/wiki/Special:RecentChanges" title="A list of recent changes in the wiki [r]" accesskey="r">Recent changes</a></li><li id="n-randompage"><a href="/wiki/Special:Random" title="Load a random page [x]" accesskey="x">Random page</a></li><li id="n-MediaWiki-Help"><a href="/wiki/Help:Contents">MediaWiki Help</a></li><li id="n-Upload-file"><a href="/wiki/Special:Upload">Upload file</a></li> </ul>
</div>
</div>
<div class="portal" role="navigation" id="p-Troper_Tools" aria-labelledby="p-Troper_Tools-label">
<h3 id="p-Troper_Tools-label">Troper Tools</h3>
<div class="body">
<ul>
<li id="n-User-Blogs"><a href="/wiki/Special:ArticlesHome">User Blogs</a></li><li id="n-Newest-Blog-Posts"><a href="/wiki/Special:ArticleLists">Newest Blog Posts</a></li><li id="n-Write-a-Blog-Post"><a href="/wiki/Special:CreateBlogPost">Write a Blog Post</a></li><li id="n-Follow-Your-Friends"><a href="/wiki/Special:UserActivity">Follow Your Friends</a></li><li id="n-See-Friends.2FFoes"><a href="/wiki/Special:ViewRelationshipRequests">See Friends/Foes</a></li><li id="n-View-Your-Messages"><a href="/wiki/Special:UserBoard">View Your Messages</a></li><li id="n-See-Your-Gifts"><a href="/wiki/Special:ViewGifts">See Your Gifts</a></li><li id="n-Gift-a-Friend"><a href="/wiki/Special:GiveGift">Gift a Friend</a></li> </ul>
</div>
</div>
<div class="portal" role="navigation" id="p-Troping_Utilities" aria-labelledby="p-Troping_Utilities-label">
<h3 id="p-Troping_Utilities-label">Troping Utilities</h3>
<div class="body">
<ul>
<li id="n-ATT-Page-Creator"><a href="/wiki/All_The_Tropes:ATT_Page_Creator">ATT Page Creator</a></li><li id="n-Trope-Workshop"><a href="/wiki/Category:Trope_Workshop">Trope Workshop</a></li><li id="n-ATT-Forums"><a href="/wiki/Special:WikiForum">ATT Forums</a></li><li id="n-ATT-Forums-.28old.29"><a href="/wiki/Forum:All_The_Tropes">ATT Forums (old)</a></li><li id="n-ATT-WebChat-.28IRC.29"><a href="/wiki/Special:WebChat">ATT WebChat (IRC)</a></li><li id="n-ATT-WebChat-.28onwiki.29"><a href="/wiki/Special:Chat">ATT WebChat (onwiki)</a></li><li id="n-Troper-Userboxes"><a href="/wiki/All_The_Tropes:Userboxes">Troper Userboxes</a></li><li id="n-Mechanics-of-Writing"><a href="/wiki/Mechanics_of_Writing">Mechanics of Writing</a></li> </ul>
</div>
</div>
<div class="portal" role="navigation" id="p-Troper_Social_Networks" aria-labelledby="p-Troper_Social_Networks-label">
<h3 id="p-Troper_Social_Networks-label">Troper Social Networks</h3>
<div class="body">
<ul>
<li id="n-ATT-Twitter"><a href="https://twitter.com/ATTropes" rel="nofollow">ATT Twitter</a></li><li id="n-ATT-subreddit"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/AllTheTropes/" rel="nofollow">ATT subreddit</a></li> </ul>
</div>
</div>
<div class="portal" role="navigation" id="p-tb" aria-labelledby="p-tb-label">
<h3 id="p-tb-label">Tools</h3>
<div class="body">
<ul>
<li id="t-specialpages"><a href="/wiki/Special:SpecialPages" title="A list of all special pages [q]" accesskey="q">Special pages</a></li><li id="t-print"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Special:Badtitle&amp;action=raw&amp;printable=yes" rel="alternate" title="Printable version of this page [p]" accesskey="p">Printable version</a></li><li id="t-urlshortener"><a href="/w/index.php?title=Special:UrlShortener&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fallthetropes.org%2Fw%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DSpecial%3ABadtitle%26action%3Draw">Get shortened URL</a></li> </ul>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div id="footer" role="contentinfo">
<ul id="footer-places">
<li id="footer-places-privacy"><a href="//meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Privacy_Policy" class="extiw" title="m:Privacy Policy">Privacy policy</a></li>
<li id="footer-places-about"><a href="/wiki/All_The_Tropes:About" title="All The Tropes:About">About All The Tropes</a></li>
<li id="footer-places-disclaimer"><a href="/wiki/All_The_Tropes:General_disclaimer" title="All The Tropes:General disclaimer">Disclaimers</a></li>
<li id="footer-places-termsofservice"><a href="//meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use" class="extiw" title="m:Terms of Use">Terms of Use</a></li>
<li id="footer-places-mobileview"><a href="https://allthetropes.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Badtitle&amp;action=raw&amp;mobileaction=toggle_view_mobile{{Dead link}}" class="noprint stopMobileRedirectToggle">Mobile view</a></li>
</ul>
<ul id="footer-icons" class="noprint">
<li id="footer-copyrightico">
<a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/"><img src="https://meta.miraheze.org/w/resources/assets/licenses/cc-by-sa.png" alt="Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International (CC BY-SA 4.0)" width="88" height="31"/></a> </li>
<li id="footer-poweredbyico">
<a href="//www.mediawiki.org/"><img src="/w/resources/assets/poweredby_mediawiki_88x31.png" alt="Powered by MediaWiki" srcset="/w/resources/assets/poweredby_mediawiki_132x47.png 1.5x, /w/resources/assets/poweredby_mediawiki_176x62.png 2x" width="88" height="31"/></a><a href="https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/"><img src="https://static.miraheze.org/metawiki/7/7e/Powered_by_Miraheze.png" alt="Miraheze Wiki Hosting" width="88" height="31"/></a> </li>
</ul>
<div style="clear: both;"></div>
</div>
<!-- Matomo -->
<script type="text/javascript">
var _paq = _paq || [];
_paq.push(["trackPageView"]);
_paq.push(["enableLinkTracking"]);
(function() {
var u = "https://matomo.miraheze.org/";
var globalId = 1;
_paq.push(["setTrackerUrl", u + "piwik.php"]);
_paq.push(['setDocumentTitle', "allthetropeswiki" + " - " + "Special:Badtitle"]);
_paq.push(["setSiteId", "2"]);
_paq.push(["setCustomVariable", 1, "userType", "Anonymous", "visit"]);
if ( globalId ) {
_paq.push(['addTracker', u + "piwik.php", globalId]);
}
var d=document, g=d.createElement("script"), s=d.getElementsByTagName("script")[0]; g.type="text/javascript";
g.defer=true; g.async=true; g.src=u+"piwik.js"; s.parentNode.insertBefore(g,s);
})();
</script>
<!-- End Matomo Code -->
<!-- Matomo Image Tracker -->
<noscript><p><img src="https://matomo.miraheze.org/piwik.php?idsite=2&amp;rec=1&amp;action_name=Special:Badtitle" style="border:0;" alt="" /></p></noscript>
<!-- End Matomo --><script>(window.RLQ=window.RLQ||[]).push(function(){mw.config.set({"wgBackendResponseTime":146,"wgHostname":"mw3"});});</script>
</body>
</html>

Latest revision as of 00:03, 27 October 2018


  • Complete Monster: While Fagin is the better-remembered villain, Bill Sikes plays this role in the book. Everyone is terrified of him and he performs the only deeds of true brutality in the story. None of the other villains (Fagin, Monks, or what have you) come close to matching him in being an utter bastard.
  • Crowning Moment of Funny/Crowning Moment of Awesome: The Artful Dodger in court.
  • Crowning Moment of Heartwarming: Numerous.
  • Ensemble Darkhorse: The Artful Dodger is generally considered the most popular character in the story.
  • Iron Woobie: Nancy.
  • Moral Event Horizon: Bill Sikes' murder of Nancy definitely counts.
    • Also, Nancy, Charley and The Artful Dodger grabbing Oliver and bringing him back to Fagin's clutches. Nancy, however, ends up excused for this through virtue of having a Heroic BSOD when she fully realizes how screwed up this was, and openly calls Fagin out before collapsing out of stress.
    • Monks's biggest one is arranging to have his 12-year-old half-brother Oliver's life completely destroyed without real reason other than pettiness and jealousy. Specially marked when he takes the Orphans Plot Trinkets from Bumble and Corney and tosses them into the Thames so no one will ever be able to prove that Oliver is the son of Agnes and Edwin Leeford.
  • Purity Sue: The whole Maylie family. Don't remember them? That's probably because they're among the first things to get cut from most adaptations.
    • To make matters worse, they seem to exist merely for Author Appeal, and the sections involving them can be almost entirely excised from the story without hurting the plot one bit.
  • Tastes Like Diabetes: The description of how Oliver started to live with the Maylies. A more sinister twist on this is how the parish people (Mr. Bumble even) openly play this trope to the hilt to seem caring to the outside world, and in truth are cold blooded assholes in private who'd just rather watch the poor die off in droves.
  • The Woobie: Dickens' bread and butter was this trope. Oliver and Nancy are both examples.

The various adaptations contain examples of:

  • Alternate Character Interpretation: Chafing at the antisemetic portrayal of Fagin, Will Eisner created wrote a comic in which Fagin is a misunderstood antihero.
    • Or, to be more precise, in which Fagin has gone Then Let Me Be Evil to the world combined with what, if it had been published at the time Dickens wrote in, would have been rather pointed social commentary about the ill effects of limiting the career paths of an entire group.
  • Funny Aneurysm Moment: In the 1997 adaptation, Dodger is sent to prison instead of Australia, presumably not to offend Australians. Dodger's talk about all the things he'll learn in prison becomes less funny and more disturbing the older you get.