User talk:Jason taylor

Clarification of ambiguous example in wrong section.

Can you please clarify just what TV series you're referring to here? The only show called simply Rocky that I can find any mention of is an animated program from Sweden made ten years ago. The link you made for the show name goes to a disambiguation page, which is incorrect for a new example.

Until you can provide more details, I've commented out the example.

Thanks.

Sorry, I meant the film series. I'll get to that.

Thank you. Also, please be clear what character you're talking about; as written it implies Rocky had the attack, when I think you might be talking about Clubber Lang?

I distinctly remembered Rocky having that style though I may be wrong. Clubber seems to have liked the abdomen but preferred slow powerful punches rather then one-twos. My memory may be off.

Second try at this bit of advice.

Just a quick note for you for when you do quotes in the future. On Regime Change you added the following markup:

{{quote|[[The Conqueror|''Hindoo, Pathan, Mughal, Mahratta, Sikh, English]] we are [[Not So Different|masters in turn]]; but the village communities [[Determinator|remain the same.'']]

-Sir Charles Metcalfe, Colonial Bureaucrat}}

Please note that you separate the quote from the attribution with a vertical bar ("|"), and that creates the m-dash. Don't do what you did here and put a dash instead; besides not letting the template do the work for you, it comes out looking wrong. For instance, this is what you added:

Hindoo, Pathan, Mughal, Mahratta, Sikh, English we are masters in turn; but the village communities remain the same.
-Sir Charles Metcalfe, Colonial Bureaucrat

And this is how it comes out when properly marked up:

Hindoo, Pathan, Mughal, Mahratta, Sikh, English we are masters in turn; but the village communities remain the same.

—Sir Charles Metcalfe, Colonial Bureaucrat

See the difference?

Thank's. Sorry about that.

No need to apologize. We're just trying to reduce the work necessary to make good-looking articles.

He heard but didn't listen.

Please put work names -- like the many links you've made today to The Winds of War and War and Remembrance -- in italics. You do that by putting two apostrophes (single quotes) before and two apostrophes after the link, outside of the square brackets.

I hear.

Rare praise for improvement. Too bad it didn't stick.

Your posts over the past couple weeks have been watched closely and you've improved dramatically. Thank you for the effort you've made and thank you for your continued contributions!

You're welcome. Glad to please.

Still, keep an eye on what you're doing. Your recent addition to Every Device Is a Swiss Army Knife included a bare URL. While the wiki will convert them to links, they're ugly. Please pothole them with appropriate text, as I just did for you:

[https://knife-depot.com/pages/101-uses-for-the-pocket-knife See here].

Sorry. I am trying.

Not that he didn't repeat the spelling error...

From your recent changes to Semper Fi: "Manuel" is a Mexican guy. "Manual" is a book.

I've already fixed it, no need to pop back there and do it.

Thank you, you are right, that is a goof.

Advice on writing an example.

When adding an example, such as you recently did on Noble Savage, don't just drop a character name and assume everyone will know who he is. And don't misspell the name while you're at it. Examples on trope pages must have the name of the work in which they appear and where possible the name(s) of the work's creator(s). I have fixed your entry about Alan (with one "L") Breck Stewart on Noble Savage by providing this information and more -- were you aware that Stewart was a real person used as a Historical Domain Character by Stevenson?

While we appreciate the enthusiasm with which you have been contributing to the wiki, I personally would prefer it if you were to slow down a bit and take the time to make sure your punctuation, spelling, grammar and facts were correct.

Yes I was aware of the fact. But the Stewart in the novel was pretty much a construct of Stevenson's.

The point here is that you need to provide the work and the author. The character name by itself means nothing.

OK, thank you.

You're welcome.

aka "^[context?]"

Could you please elaborate?

What TBeholder is saying is that we have a special markup tag to put on deficient examples: {{Context}} puts that little superscripted "[context?]" link in the page, and also puts the page in a list of pages which have sloppy, incomplete examples so someone can find and fix it. If you are familiar with how we do things here -- which you weren't, five months ago -- it's a shortcut for saying what I did in more words and full sentences.

That is fine. I hope I have fixed it.

Why is it he only learned the things that took the least effort?

...but it has major implications on readability. It's also in the list I gave you below of specific errors we would like you to focus on eliminating. In your recent contribution to The Chosen One, there was this:

Israel is the chosen nation(if Jesus is a real human he has to have a nation)

You need a space before an open parenthesis. Correction: you must have a space before an open parenthesis. This is not a personal style thing, this is a hard and fast rule of punctuation. The lack of a space screws with the readability of the sentence, especially for those whose reading technique is shape-based.

In case you're curious, this is one of the main ways we could track which anonymous user you were. You are the only current contributor to the wiki who does this. We have fossil cases in existing text that date back to before the fork, but all new material which demonstrated this error was yours. So... if you stop doing this, we'll have less of a chance to figure out you're evading a ban. Then again, if you stop doing this, there's less reason you'll get a ban in a first place. Capisce?

I hope that worked.

Looks fine, thank you.

Your welcome.

Jason's first brush with a permaban for ignoring moderator requests to improve his low-quality contributions.

Less than an hour ago, your tempban ended. You have 167 hours to stop being a juvenile jerk and actually respond to an administrator message. If you don't, you will be permanently banned from the wiki.

CC: @Labster, @GethN7, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @DocColress, @LulzKiller, @SelfCloak

I am trying to reply. I did not receive these messages until today and I apologize for the inconvenience.

Quite frankly, Jason, we are not inclined to accept that you haven't seen these messages, given the games you've been playing in the last few weeks. You expect us to believe you just magically discovered your talk page in the last 24 hours before your permanent ban? Especially since you responded to messages here at least once before with a "thanks" note that pointed right back here? And you expect us to believe you never thought to ask why you were tempbanned if you really were ignorant of this page? No, this is more games.

A new user who is motivated, contributing a lot, and has a few problems with structure and formatting gets a lot of good will from us. Your repeated refusal to engage us, and the games you have played (such as ban evasion) have burned most if not all of the good will. We didn't really ask a lot from you -- use the quote markup when adding quotes, don't use abbreviations, maybe learn a little about punctuation and avoiding run-on sentences. Apparently, that was so much effort to ask of you that it was easier for you to ignore us, evade bans, and generally act like a vandal.

However, since you did respond before the end of your deadline, you get a chance. But it's your last chance. When you get advice, either on this page or elsewhere (like comments on edits made to your contributions), we want you to acknowledge the advice and do your best to not make the mistakes in the future. You are not required to start off by writing letter-perfect text, and if you don't understand why we ask something or suggest something, you are welcome to ask for clarification or explanations. But if we see any evidence you are ignoring us and just dumping stuff into the wiki without a care for common standards of usage or our guidelines for style and content, you will be immediately and permanently banned. No more attempts to get your attention, no more patience with your gameplaying. I trust you understand.

So, to reiterate our initial requests to you (and add a few which were implied or only mentioned in edit reasons):

• When adding quotes to quotes page, use the {{quote}} markup. If looking at the hundreds of examples you can find on almost every page doesn't help you figure out how to do so, ask.
• When adding work names to text, mark them up with both italics and link markup, even if we don't have a page for the work at the moment.
• Don't dump bare URLs into the text of an example. Put them in potholes instead, like this

You can see it [http://www.website.com/pagename.html here].

Note that links to other sites only use single square brackets, not double square brackets like links to other wiki pages. Also, there is no vertical bar between the destination and the pothole text.

• Do not use abbreviations anywhere, ever.
• Parentheses have a space before and after them. Exception: if a close parenthesis is followed by a punctuation mark like a comma or a period, don't add a space.
• Break up your contributions into smaller sentences; you have a tendency to write massively run-on sentences that are difficult to read and parse.
• Learn how to use commas to make your shorter sentences flow better.
• Some of your contributions have been basically "Oh, and here's this interesting fact about the subject of that last example, but it really doesn't have anything to do with the trope." Try not to do that.
• There is a word, "too", that means "also" or "as well". It is not the same word as "to".
• This is trivial but hey, since we're at it -- when you start an example, put a space between the asterisk(s) and the first word. Don't run them up against each other.

This is not intended as a complete or exhaustive list. Whenever we note something that is clearly a pattern and not a simple typo, we'll let you know how to fix it.

For your reference:

• Our style guide
• How to write an example
• Markup guide
• Signal to Noise Train Wreck

Please respond and let us know you understand what we're asking of you. If it's too much for you to write in clear English and to use the proper markup, please let us know that, too.

Thank you.

CC: @Labster, @GethN7, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @DocColress, @LulzKiller, @SelfCloak

In this matter, Looney Toons speaks for me.

OK

Very good. Thank you.

Marking this thread as "resolved" is not replying.

You have less than 24 hours to respond to this or another thread below. If you don't, you will be permanently banned as a vandal.

CC: @Labster, @GethN7, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @DocColress, @LulzKiller, @SelfCloak

Look I am trying. I am just catching up to this whether you believe me or not.

Glad to hear that.

He doesn't want to play nice, then I completely support dropping the hammer.

Wow. He learned something else and never repeated it.

When you created that new page, The Clan/Image Links? Did you see all the lines that looked like

* [URL-linking-to-the-image Displayed Text]

Can you guess what they were? That's right, they were 90% of the markup you needed to make every link look perfect. All you had to do was read the words in them. And if you did, you wouldn't have deleted all of them to just dump a bare URL and some text into the page. Instead, you would have done this:

* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khoo_Kongsi#/media/File:Khoo_Kongsi_Penang_Dec_2006_020.jpg Khoo Konsi, the Leong San Tong clanhall in Malaysia from the Other Wiki.]

which would come out looking like

• Khoo Konsi, the Leong San Tong clanhall in Malaysia from the Other Wiki.

Prove to us you can learn from advice and experience. Fix the page.

I hope this is satisfactory.

Perfect.

Explaining to the obvious ban evader just how obvious his attempts to evade his ban are.

The problem with having your very distinctive pattern of grammar, spelling and usage errors is that it's very distinctive, and thus just editing anonymously is not enough to hide your identity. So both your account and the IP you were editing from anonymously have been temp-banned for one week.

It's also come down to this: this has stopped being a matter of guiding a wiki user into higher-quality contributions. This has basically become a wiki vandalism issue. Because you will not engage us, and are actively circumventing any attempt we're making to get you to do so, all we can conclude is that you would rather play games than put in the relatively minor effort it takes to improve your contributions to the point that we're not watching every word you add in order to determine what we have to fix this time. So here's an ultimatum for you: When the current tempban ends, you will have one week to respond to our requests and comments below. If you do not, you will receive a permanent ban from the wiki.

Write a reply, escape a permanent ban. It's very simple.

CC: @Labster, @GethN7, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @DocColress, @LulzKiller, @SelfCloak

Adding to Looney Toons's post:

Sending any of us a "thanks" will not be sufficient. I do not get to see the "thanks" that anyone else receives, and nobody else gets to see the ones that I receive, so that channel does not work for showing all of the mods that you are taking this seriously enough to reply.

We know that you know how to write. Please do so, here. We want to hear what you have to say about your actions, here.

It's just getting sad that many of the few new users we do get, often don't end up contributing constructively. IDK whether that's inherent to the generalness of small wikis or troping at this point.

And it's obvious from your idiosyncratic pattern of grammar, spelling and usage errors that you've been evading this one-week block by editing anonymously. I've put a one-week temporary block on the most recent IP that you used to edit - and your current favorite page is now semi-protected so that you have to log in to edit it.

Looney Toons has promised you the chance to explain your actions. This is the only reason why I am not making your temporary ban a permanent one right now.