Topic on User talk:New XanderMartin98

After review of your edits, you are coming pretty close to violating two of our core policies:

All The Tropes:No Lewdness, No Prudishness

First off, we have no desire to censor content, but at the same time, this is not a place to type one hand about what gets you off, Keep that in mind, we will take a hacksaw to anything that steps over the line.

You are doing a highwire act over this:

All The Tropes:What we aren't#We are not soapbox.2Fadvertisement space

We are NOT here to serve as ad space. We understand you wrote certain works and wish to trope them, but we will not be a shrine to your work, and criticism within the rules is also allowed. You've come pretty close (if you haven;t already crossed the line) to treating our site space like your personal ad agency for your work. Again, chill with that, or we will excise whatever we deem to cross the line.

This is a friendly warning for now. If you do not moderate your actions to avoid violations of the above, we will regrettably have to do so, and if we have to banish your hard work to the deletion bin to accomplish that, we will do so if that is what is required.

I actually was just mocking my fics for the fact that their blatant trope-loaded-ness outweighs their actual substance SO much, to be honest. The Brain Behind The Mask explicitly being labeled as a "shallow and pretentious parody" of the Courage The Cowardly Dog episode that it is supposed to be a "How It Should Have Ended" version of on the YMMV page that it currently has here is an especially major example of said ironic self-awareness.

And yes, I also basically was just explaining exactly what happened in them (without exaggeration, because they just are THAT over-the-top).

Does "moderating my actions" include (me) heavily editing a bunch of the entries on my currently existent fic pages as well?

A "just joking" defense is nothing but a hasty excuse thrown out when one realizes they're over the line. From my point of view, at least, your "mockery" looks a whole lot more like "Look at my pigsty! Look how much luscious deep shit and mud is in it! Look how much I've smeared all over myself before stuffing it in my mouth! Isn't it wunnnnnnn-derful?"

No. It is not.

The thing is, when you are not busily advertising just how disgusting your work is, you're a good editor with good contributions. We'd like to see a whole lot more of that than a hundred one-sentence edits a day about just how sick your stories are.

@ Looney Toons:

The point still stands; I was almost-entirely just stating the facts about my fics, and they at least are pretty well-made on basic levels such as having extremely colorful character casts and (currently) being highly descriptive of what happens in them while still telling (mostly) decent improv-generated stories at the same time.

Also, their main Running Gag (Brain With a Manual Control) is a severely under-utilized trope outside of them.

You are missing the point.

The point is that it's pretty obvious you are enjoying going into lurid descriptions of gross, vile, and downright disgusting things because you can, and are enjoying it on some level, and we can tell.

That's just being lewd for the sake of it, and crossing the line. While we do consider ourselves more informal than Wikipedia, when it comes to describing disgusting content, we want it described like they do: clinical, detached, and objective.

We don't exist to describe things in a lurid manner simply for shock value, they are supposed to describe how they display a trope and NOTHING MORE.

For example: I read that page on Courage The Cowardly Dog fic, and there was no need to go into such graphic detail about all the reasons for a Vomit Discretion Shot. Here's a sanitized version of the first bulletpoint that gets across the same point without being shamelessly graphic:

• Also, at one point in Kitty's nightmare, Mad Dog forces her to perform oral sex on him so hard that she ends up becoming the subject of yet another one of these as a result.

Notice the crucial change here? I described the same events, just with less gratuitous and disgusting imagery.

That said, I'm going to leave you a choice: Either tone down the shock value you are clearly reveling in that goes over the line of our policies on being unnecessarily graphic, or we will have no choice but to excise those pages as violations of site policy.

Consider that more than a friendly warning, that is a promise with my mod hat ON that something will be done.

Alright, so I've done about as much censorship as I can do (while preserving informational accuracy) on what I think is all of my Xan-Fic pages (in other words, all of the ones whose links are listed on this website's Anvilicious page); is it enough yet?

First off, I'm detecting quite a bit of passive-aggressive smartass in your reply, the constant "Censorship" reasons you gave were not very subtle.

That said, fine, be passive-aggressive all you want so long as you quit being gratuitously lewd and graphic for the sake of it. If you think us not wanting more detail than is necessary is censorship, whatever, but there is a fine line between giving an objective description of something and being shocking for the sake of getting off on shock value, and we do not condone the latter as a matter of policy.

For the record, I'm no killjoy, I can see the humor in being tasteless on purpose as a form of humor, but when it gets to the point it's obvious you are trying to be edgy and depraved simply to advertise deviance, then it goes too far as we will not be passive participants in letting it continue, either keep the facts as clinical and to the point as possible or simply do not post, are we clear?

I used the word "Censorship" because it was what I was doing

Whatever, fine by me, just as long as you abide by policy.

I got banned by TV Tropes because they didn't understand what the word censorship meant. It means roughly what Xander says it means -- limiting speech to comply with social norms.

I meant roughly. Take this edit. So okay, you censored it by changing 'ejaculating semen' to 'squirting spunk'? That's a little, um, unusual in terms of censorship. The more academic words were the former. However, the bigger problem is that this is absolutely not an example of the trope -- The Immodest Orgasm is all about audio volume, not liquid volume. Please make sure that your examples match the trope, and are not just an excuse to talk about perverted things.

And while I despise censorship as much as anyone else, we do have policy on not using more detail than is necessary, else we consider it writing with one hand. @New XanderMartin98, below are examples of how to write about something graphic without going overboard:

• Hogwarts Exposed
• Mai-chan's Daily Life
• Fansadox
• Death Panda
• Chibi Usa's Seventh Birthday

If you read all the above examples, they cover some disturbing material, some just as bad or WORSE than what you've depicted, but stick to the facts, keep out of the gutter (insofar as they can while still describing the basics), and otherwise keep a reasonably objective, clinical, and detached tone.

That is what we want to see. Hating censorship does not mean we have no standards, we just don't censor pages unless they cover content we cannot cover legally, but we still insist on some bare minimum standards of decorum, taste, and formality. If you object to that, let me know now, I can show you the door immediately. If not, please moderate your posting to conform to our standards and this matter is a closed book unless it happens again.

And like my colleague @Labster put it, we also want you to use tropes properly.

(PS: my fics really are deliberately made to be comically pretentious and Anvilicious crap;

in fact, I'm actually WAITING for someone else to give them actual criticism that properly points out how "crazy yet formulaic" they are)

You're probably going to be waiting for a long, long time - see Poe's Law.

And the descriptions that you gave your stories don't make me want to read them... but I'm only one person.

Likewise. I barely want to read the articles, but someone has to find and fix the errors.

> in fact, I'm actually WAITING for someone else to give them actual criticism that properly points out how "crazy yet formulaic" they are)

Taking my mod hat all the way off, and hiding it under a blanket

So you're basically attention whoring?

To be fair, Courage The Cowardly Dog itself is an absolutely definitive example of something being "crazy yet formulaic"

That part is true, Courage is pretty weird and yet sitcommy. I was referring to the other part of the sentence, about you WAITING for someone else to give criticism about how X your story is.

(Slight digression: You've managed something incredibly rare here - all four of the wiki's Bureaucrats are taking part in the same discussion thread. That almost never happens outside of policy discussions. Of course, since we are all taking part in this discussion, if there's a decision made here that you don't like, there's nobody to appeal it to... which is why we almost never do this. We prefer to give an avenue for appeal for our decisions.)