This is something that got me thinking after seeing this site for a bit. From my understanding, ATT is more "open" compared to Tvtropes, right? Then I remembered the Auto-Erotic Troping thing Tvtropes has (basically for those who don't know what that is, the tl;dr on it is creating and/or editing articles about yourself or your work), and thought "Does this site also have that?" So uh, if anyone can tell me if this is true or not, I would greatly appreciate it.
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See our FAQ for Creators which in its second section explicitly says it's okay. Now beyond that we do have some more detailed rules about it, but I can't remember where they are. I'll search through the project namespace and when I find where they're specifically written down I'll share them with you.
Until then, what matters above and beyond the basic OK is how obnoxious you get about it. We had one guy who wrote a whole sheaf of pages for his fanfics for a particular cartoon, but after a while it became very obvious that he was something of a fetishist who was using pages allegedly about his works to get off on describing just how disgusting they were. When he wouldn't tone things down or scale back his language, we were forced to ban him and eventually deleted the works pages because none of us knew enough about the fics in question (nor did we want to) to clean them up ourselves. (Not to mention we weren't sure they could be cleaned up.) We had another guy who was a very minor voice actor with a YouTube channel who did up a creator page for himself. Other than bad cases of Small Name, Big Ego and Small Reference Pools (he was apparently ignorant of any major film from before about 2010 and routinely credited his 3000-member channel with "rescuing" movies like Alien from obscurity) his page was relatively inoffensive although it was clear he was more a wannabe-celebrity than a real one. He eventually got banned, too, for basically ignoring trope definitions and creating "examples" that had nothing to do with tropes they allegedly demonstrated, but we left his creator page in place for years, until it came to our attention that his status as a creator had been dubious to begin with.
Meanwhile there are more than a few creators here -- including a goodly chunk of the mod staff -- who have frequently added their own comments and trope entries to pages other people wrote about their works. (That was once very welcome on TVT -- SF author Diane Duane used to trope her own stuff for example, back before the staff got very hostile toward creators who didn't like censorship. We like to think we're preserving the open and welcoming atmosphere that TVT threw away when it decided money was more important than anything else.)
Teal Deer: We're relaxed about it. But we have limits. Be cool and we will be, too.
So go ahead. Be aware that any page for yourself or your works that is solely by you is probably going to get a {{DOTA}} template put on it until other people start contributing to it. The DOTA template ("DOTA" = Death of the Author) puts a box at the top of the page that reads "The original version of this article was written by the creator(s) of the work being discussed. Other viewpoints are requested."
And yeah, we're more open than TVT. We go into a bit more detail how and why on All The Tropes:Why Fork TV Tropes and All The Tropes:So You're a TV Tropes Refugee, but basically we only have the absolute minimum of legally-required censorship here, and we have no ads, so we don't have the need to protect our revenue stream that drives so much of TVT's control freakery and "moral superiority".
Anyway, I hope that answers your questions. If it doesn't, or you have more queries, feel free to ping any of the admin staff just by adding {{admins}} to the end of any post on any talk page. It'll produce the line of "@" pings you'll see below my signature.
-- Looney Toons, admin
@Labster @Looney Toons @GethN7 @Robkelk @QuestionableSanity @Derivative @SelfCloak
Thanks, was not expecting an answer with this level of information on, like wow. But, again, thanks.
You're welcome. We like to think we're friendlier than, say, Fighteer. (Then again, outside of certain venomous species and aggressive predators, who isn't?) Being nasty to users gains us nothing; being helpful makes for happy users and a better wiki community.
And because I didn't say it before, welcome to All The Tropes! We look forward to seeing what you have to contribute!
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So go ahead. Be aware that any page for yourself or your works that is solely by you is probably going to get a {{DOTA}} template put on it until other people start contributing to it. The DOTA template ("DOTA" = Death of the Author) puts a box at the top of the page that reads "The original version of this article was written by the creator(s) of the work being discussed. Other viewpoints are requested." |
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I've done this myself, on occasion -- see My Apartment Manager is not an Isekai Character for an example -- so I'd be a hypocrite if I was to say that other people couldn't make pages for their own works. The idea here, as far as I'm concerned (speaking as a troper, not as a mod), is to do your best to make the page look like any other work page on the wiki: no unwarranted disparaging, no shameless self-promotion.
Oh, and because I forgot to point you at them last night, a few references to help you get your new pages right on the first try:
- All The Tropes:Style Guide
- All The Tropes:Works Page Guidelines
- All The Tropes:Creator Page Guidelines
- Help:Formatting
When you're ready to create your new pages, use the ATT Page Creator, which you can reach either through that link or as the first item under "Troping Utilities" in the menu that runs along the left edge of every page in most skins. It will set you up in editor that is prepopulated with a skeleton page that has all the markup that's required to integrate a new page stylistically and functionally with the rest of the wiki. You'll need to use the third prompt to make a creator page; that'll put you in an empty editor with a "Select boilerplate" dropdown, and you'll need to select "Creators page" from the dropdown and click "load" to get the right template.
And in case you glossed over it in the top-of-page system message, until you establish your bonafides with the wiki -- anywhere from a couple weeks to a few months depending on your contribution rate, your edits go into a moderation queue where they need to get approved by one of the admins before they're applied to the wiki. This is because we had (and continue to have) problems with spammers and vandals, and Moderation stops them cold.