Talk:Alternate Realm Boon

I just spent an hour or so going through this page and correcting every grammar and usage error I spotted as well as breaking up its excessive supply of long, rambling run-on sentences into something that could be read by humans. After literally years, it may well finally be launchable. Could folks please read through it and give a yea/nay vote? Thanks!

Pinging the Usual Suspects: @Agiletek @GentlemensDame883 @Goo Monster @HeneryVII @HornyLikeIAmA14YearOldGirl @Lequinni‎ @RivetVermin @Umbire the Phantom @Utini501 @Labster @Looney Toons @GethN7 @Robkelk @QuestionableSanity @Derivative @SelfCloak

(makes an edit pass: fixes a typo and some grammar glitches, changes one word in the "Rayearth" example)

Looks good to me. Vote to launch.

Definitely a good Trope, vote to launch.

Well, that's three votes in favor. And if I'm not mistaken, this is the first of Kuma's proposed tropes to actually make it to prime-time. Go Kuma.

Okay, launched, and I'm in the middle of populating the backlinks from those works we have pages for. But I need to go make dinner, and I have an appointment to keep later; I might not complete the task tonight.

And I completed them in between waiting for things to cook. All done now.

Thank you for your work Looney Toons. I am sorry for not working on it sooner; it's just what you said from a while ago affected me deeply and I wanted to get better especially to correct my mistakes on the Workshop pages. I have Grammarly and that has help here and there but I also wasted money where I tried to get lessons on my problems with my writing but they suggested I needed a proofreader rather than a teacher. I am going to start working on the pages this week to the best of my ability. I might try to hire a proofreader but I might as well do it on my own. I hope that this message doesn't cause you any ire and I wish you a great day. Thank you for reading.

Sorry, been a rough few days, so I couldn't get caught up till now. I'll go take a look. Video isn't working for me though; might want to put a caption if no suitable alternative is available.

It works for me and I think its something on your end. I am also wondering how you can add a subtitle to an embedded video?

There's a </div> tag at the end of an embedded video. Add <br/>This is the caption under the video. right before it.

Thanks, @Looney Toons!

They are both about people who have or gain powers in a different world than their own, and share many of the same examples.

Can they be combined into a single trope?

CC: @Labster, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @Derivative, @SelfCloak, @GethN7

The difference is how the main focus is supposed to be about being Trapped in Another World and the other is about gaining powers when one travels to another world and back in a casual way. I believe this would involve Tropes is Flexible where they are differences and similarities. AiOWPiA simplified would be how I am an average guy but when I go through this portal to go to Powerland, I have the power to give myself other powers but once I return home through the portal, I lose this power. ARB put simply is like I am in this other world and I don't know how I got here or even how to get back but I can fly, not get hurt by any of the monsters, and I can kill them with just a whistle. While both has to do with other worlds, I can see different through how they travel and the main concept linked to them. I would say that if the similarities meld them too much then why don't we emphasize the difference by changing the descriptions and getting rid of examples that are found on both pages if necessary because AiOWPiA does have different example from ARB if I am not mistaken. So what should we do next?

I've been having problems with somethings with the description and some examples on this trope page. The problem is how I thought that writing on the pages is supposed to be casual. I am not saying what has been put onto the trope is wrong, but it might break the standards for All The Tropes. An example would be one of the bullet points here: "Being assigned to or assisted by a supernatural entity that works under RPG rules and which can dispense boons at the command of the character, including, but not limited to, any of the above. A common version that appears mostly in Chinese works is the "system", a Mission Control (either voice-only, hologram-like, or artificial lifeform) assigned by a supernatural organization engaged in the improvement of perceived flaws in other works of fiction or in parallel universes, and which keeps a tally on how well the character uses the boons given. Note that this option often comes with the limitation that, if the character falls short of the system's expectations, it will "terminate the experience of the customer"." It is longer than the other bullet points, and that it seems to stray away from being casual, at least from what I could see. Also, it seems more specific rather than generalized compared to other points. Other examples are longer than others as well. I tried to change them, but an objection from another user stated the removal of plot points. I apologize for my edit causing problems, but I can see problems with them unless there is something that I am missing that someone can give me some insight. I honestly do not know what to do, and I need anyone's help with any response if you can. Thank you for reading my post, and have a nice day.

It may sounds "too specific", @Kuma, but believe me when I say that said description is the most generalized version of all the "System" boons I have seen in Chinese and Korean webnovels with that plot point. It's a very specific trope in Chinese Isekai that I could propose if there were someone else besides me to fish for examples. I can try to tight the wording to make it as specific and casual-sounding as the other versions, but I cannot promise the end result.

If you think that an example is too long and clunky, but you don't know the work, I could suggest to go to the wikipedia article and see the plot and character list. It can help on pinpoint

I think that is time to ask for the admins and other experienced users for another revision. I think we have cleaned it enough from wonky grammar to get a style polish, and with the amount of examples we have this page should have been launched long ago.

Thank you for replying and your edit for the page. Also, sorry for not replying sooner. I wish to apologize for not giving more details on the specific part of the system example. It is not just in Chinese and Korean media but also for Japanese as well. There are some examples from Japanese media that can be seen on the page:

Death March's Protagonist is the only one who can use an RPG-like system that lets him store items, gain more skills, view his status, etc.
The New Gate's protagonist can access an MMORPG-like system much like the game he was in before being transported to another. The inhabitants can't access such a feature.
World Customize Creator's protagonist has a Divine Art that allows him to customize anything through windows that pop up like in a game. This power is unique to him compared to others who may have their own Divine Arts.
In Reborn as a Vending Machine, I Now Wander the Dungeon, The vending machine protagonist has access to a system that allows him to customize and upgrade what products he sells but in exchange for money.
Another example that I have found but haven't posted is called Goshujinsama to Yuku Isekai Survival, where this protagonist can call upon a crafting system that is oddly similar to Minecraft or other games in the genre.
Another Japanese Isekai is called I'm Standing on 1,000,000 Lives. The characters each have access to an RPG-like system that provides them skills, weapons, leveling up, revival, etc. 

If we look at Korean media, we can see two examples;

One is already on the page called I am the Sorcerer King, where the protagonist is a reincarnated archmage on Earth being ravaged by monsters, but people known as Awakened can fight them due to using an RPG-like system called the Akasha System. 
Another is called Latna Saga: Survival of a Sword King, where people from Earth are each given their own personal system called a Guideline which functions like an RPG where they are giving skills, magic, and classes leveling up. Unfortunately, the main character is giving a defective one where he can't advance like other people. The inhabitants of the world don't have Guidelines thus are weaker compared to people who have one.

These are just ones that I could find, but there might be more out there. I am sorry for how long this reply is, but I don't know a better way to make a convincing argument. I hope that this helps with understanding what I mean where the System point can be more general rather than just being found in Chinese novels and manhua. Also, I agree that it should be time for a mod to do an edit pass, but they are most likely busy with spammers to do that.

I was thinking about adding to the description of how characters would gain whatever can give them an advantage later in their journey in another world. An example would be Magic Knight Rayearth, where the three girls gain magic and mystical armor, then they get evolving weapons. Another example comes from My Wife is the Demon Queen, also spoilers, where Xiang Ye learns Forging, which allows him to draw items, equipment, and technology depending on skill, imagination, and knowledge. One final example that I found is in the Owl House and another possible spoiler; Luz learns how to use spells except in a different way by drawing glyphs on a physical surface different from how witches can draw it through magic circles. It would be a minor change, but I can change the examples. If this doesn't sound good, then I won't change anything for the trope.

I don't think the silver/ruby slippers really belong on this page. While yes, they have teleportation powers, they don't get used until the final moments of the story. They do not provide a power that Dorothy has access to throughout the story, unless you count "staying on permanently and keeping her from washing her feet" as a power. And in the book, the cap controlling the flying monkeys is basically a short-term item, again, not something she has throughout her stay which gives her an advantage in her adventures.

Okay, I gotten rid of them since they do not fit the trope.

@Kuma, I retired this {{Context}} <!-- I just need context with the Dark Hour in Persona 3 as it been shown and described as a secret hour in time rather than an alternate world. I could be wrong on this and I need context. -->

In Persona 3, while the Dark Hour refers to a "hidden hour" when shadows manifest, in practice it also refers to the realm that can be accessed during that time. Given that in said game most of the human (plus robot and dog) cast with magical and Persona-summoning abilities can only use those during the Dark Hour, it is an alternate realm for the ends of this trope.

I still have a problem with it due to what is shown and described in-game. I cannot help myself but state how it is different from the TV World and Metaverse. I gather from the game that the Dark Hour is a temporal anomaly that transforms the world differently. Its people transmogrify into coffins rather than being an alternate realm, dimension, etc. Only people with a Persona can stay active in this hour. Some people can access this hour by being taught or getting called by Shadows from their coffins. Those with the potential of a Persona have been implied in Person 4 Arena, where they can summon them outside the Dark Hour with their Evokers' help. In the same game, it has been stated that the TV World makes it easier to call a Persona compared in reality. Compared to the TV World and The Metaverse, the Dark Hour is an aberration of time that temporarily changes the world rather than being another world itself. I know that I could be wrong on this and that if you can give me more insight, then I will withhold on the subject of the Dark Hour being another world or not. Thank you for reading my comment, and have a nice day.

The boiled down of this trope is "person goes to another world, receives boons that help them survive and thrive there". Because the Dark Hour from Persona 3 has a lore more obtuse that the more clearly separated Midnight Channel from Persona 4 and the Metaverse in Persona 5, I can get where the confusion is. But let's think in another way: for all the mystics of "hidden hour" and "Temporal aberration", gameplay-wise the Dark Hour is just another world - one that has a time limit and is barely superposed over the real world, but to all effects a different world with different rules than the "normal" world.

Sorry for not replying sooner. I had a discussion with Roblek and I should have ended the discussion. I hoped it hasn't caused you any trouble and I won't bring it up again.

I am curious how it differs from Portal Fantasy as from what I can find is this: "protagonist inhabits an existing person's body after migrating across worlds. It differs from reincarnation in that the person is not literally born again." To me it seems like another form of portal fantasy much like Isekai but I could be wrong.

By what I see as a common denominator in "transmigration" fantasy novels of Chinese and Korean origin, in that genre the person moves into the body and identity of another entity (usually human, but not necessarily so, as I have seen transmigration into fantasy races, into monsters, and even into plants) in the new world, leaving their former body behind; you can say that only their "soul" does the travel. You can stretch that into those "reincarnation in another world" stories where the person who "reincarnates" in a new world conserves their original grown-up memories even if they are reborn as a baby. In Portal Fantasy, the person usually travels to their new world with with their original body, and their original body receives the new boon; in transmigration/reincarnation fantasy the character receives either a new better body as a welcoming boon, or soon gets a new boon on the originally-normalish body thay they now inhabit.

It seems like another form of Portal Fantasy much like Isekai at least to me. Since it's also a trend in eastern literature. what do you What do you think?