Topic on User talk:Goo Monster

Specifically, File:Keep your hands off Yor's daughter.png. You also marked the image as being under copyright.

But you never used it anywhere.

Since it is still under copyright, "Fair Use" requires use.

Since people are busy at the end of the year, I'll give you until December 31 to actually use the image somewhere. If it's still unused in 2023, I'll have to delete it.

@Goo Monster @Labster @Looney Toons @GethN7 @Robkelk @QuestionableSanity @Derivative @SelfCloak

Ah, that's from the Spy × Family manga. Can't speak for Goo, but I'm guessing it was going to be used for Mama Bear or something similar before sidetracking happened (it happens to me a lot).

It was for Mama Bear. I put up the notice. Waited the time. Nobody said no. When people noticed they reverted the image.

And I was rebuked because I apparently needed to stuff a flyer in people's notifications or something despite that not being in the instructions on the How to Pick an Image page.

I was also rebuked for the image not having Yor's daughter despite the fact the image has Yor's daughter in it.

Delete the image if you want.

Nobody said no.

That's nice. Who said yes?

Per a couple of our pages on how to get things changed, such as All The Tropes:How to Get a Page Name Changed:

Lack of response by the other users is not to be considered approval of the change. You need explicit "Yes" votes, not simply an absence of people saying "No". Disinterest or apathy from other users means you haven't made your case.

This and other guidelines apply to all changes that require a consensus from the wiki community.

To be fair, that is a relatively recent addition to the page.

Well, it's been a month and the image still isn't in use. Deleting it now.

By the way, the very first instruction on All The Tropes:How to Pick A Good Image says:

There is an entire forum section dedicated to finding good images. If you're not sure an image is good, think you've found a better one than what's on an article, or just want to open the door for discussion, stop by and start a thread.

It's been there since before the TVTropes fork; you'd have to check their copy's page history to find out exactly how long "start a thread" has been the first instruction, but it's definitely been over a decade.

I absolutely started a thread in an image forum. I'd like to offer a citation, but "We are aware that the forum is unreachable at the moment. There is a security issue, and there is no ETA for when (or if) a patch will be ready. In the meantime, the old forums are still available."

My reply was to your statement "despite that not being in the instructions on the How to Pick an Image page", pointing out that the instruction in question has existed since before the TVT/ATT fork. Please put the goalposts back where they were.

Then the thing to do is recreate the thread on the discussion page for Mama Bear, which we have been noting has been an acceptable alternative to the discussion forums since well before Miraheze disabled the extension.

Looney Toons, That's only fine if we are resuming the discussion on the merit or lack there of to alternative Mama Bear images. Making a new thread without the contents of the old thread is very much un-ideal for talking about what happened in the old thread. I'm not trying to push for alternatives to the existing Mama Bear image (nor am I advancing replacements for other trope images for that matter). I'm in no rush to for Robkelk to see what I'm talking about. I'd like it to happen eventually, but there is no sense of urgency on my part.

I'm in no rush to for Robkelk to see what I'm talking about.

Considering what I'm seeing is somebody who's trying to justify not following the rules even after the rules were pointed out, you're going to have to explain it.

I'd rather not. What is the penalty for failing to do so? Suspended editing privileges? Full permanent-ban?

We cannot come to an understanding if you refuse to explain.

No penalty. I will simply assume that you just want to complain, without any basis for an actual grievance.

Also, since you've asked about bans, the answer can be found at All The Tropes:How We Do Bans Around Here.

No ban or anything? Consider me surprised.

It shouldn't be that surprising, considering avoiding abusive administration has been kinda this fork's whole thing.

Well, I think I was surprised when I read the "you're going to have to explain it." post

There was no explicit "if x then y" in that post. It looked like a straight up order. Which presumably meant y was some sort of disciplinary action.

I was not quick to interpret the Y of "well then we won't come to an understanding" to be the Y, as I had already stated I wasn't in a rush for an understanding to be reached.

I would like to think that after a decade it would be obvious that we're not into laying traps to find excuses to ban people. Apparently not.

I don't think anything of that sort seems to be on the table (and ideally that remains the case), but I also personally think it wouldn't be too much trouble to just start a new thread if we can't access the old one for the time being.