Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha ViVid/WMG/Open

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This is a list of Wild Mass Guesses which are still possibly true. Just for Fun and silly guesses go on the silly page. If a WMG is Jossed, please move it to the jossed page, if it is Confirmed, please move it to the confirmed page.

Please add new entries to the bottom of the page.

Hayate and Carim are in the process of taking over Midchilda.

Hayate's covering the political spectrum; Carim is handling religion. The current disbanding of the cast throughout remote regions of space is one last effort by former administrators to check their power. Even Chrono comments that it seems eventually Hayate, Nanoha, and Fate will become like "the Great Three Admirals."

  • Gotta admit, there's a huge power vacuum after StrikerS.
  • Hayate only allows the former administrators think that it was they who disbanded Section Six and effectively exiled the strongest mages from Mid-Childa. In reality, removing her allies from the homeworld was part of an elaborate Xanatos Gambit allowing her to covertly discredit and destroy the rest of the old government and reintroduce Nanoha, Fate, and the rest of their merry band back to the homeworld as its saviours and protectors from corruption and anarchy. That way, none of them (except Hayate herself, who is regarded as a criminal anyway) would be stained with the dirt of disposing of the former administration from the masses' point of view. Also, temporarily removing Nanoha & Co. from the picture gives her an opportunity to deal with Scaglietti and those of the Numbers who refused to cooperate with her. It's sad, but it has to be done to ensure safety of Mid-Childa. And Nanoha doesn't have to be involved in it.

Clone Jesus missed her other Mommy.

Whoever came up with the "Hey, let's split them up!" plan got overruled when the clone of the focal point of their religion came to school with the sniffles one day and said it was because her other Mommy had to be in space all the time. Very quickly Fate started getting more vacation time.

  • The ship suddenly needed to be restocked, upgraded and docked for repairs more often, and longer. There are dozens of ways to put someone in-dock for weeks at a time, without giving more vacation time.
  • This also a caused few radical changes in the Church.

Subaru will stop taking "aging treatments"

Because she wants to look exactly the same when Ixpellia wakes up, no matter how long it takes.

  • Alternatively, Ix just over-estimated her sleep time. Considering how her comatose form has appeared in Vi Vid, this seems likely.
    • Lowest estimate was 1 year. And 1 year it is.

During Vi Vid, Nanoha has a limiter on her magic

At some earlier point Hayate decided to put an even stricter limiter on Nanoha in order to prevent her from over using her magic. This limiter restricts Nanoha's magical capabillity to red shirt levels.

  • Makes sense. It's already stated that she's on vacation in order to recover from the events of Striker S; and her previous behavior has shown she tends to overextend herself when told to take it easy.

Whether or not Genetic Memory is the same as Reincarnation is a subject of debate within the TSAB itself.

In the Sound Stage; we have Subaru telling Ixpellia that Vivio is the Saint Kaiser reborn; also in Vi Vid Nove refers to Vivio as an Ancient King who can live in peace in this age. However, Ingvalt herself denies that Vivio is the Saint King; nor is she "an extention of the Emperor, merely the inheritor of his memories." Vivio's friends stumble when describing Vivio's relationship with the Saint Kaiser; compromising by calling her an "ancestor."

Vivio's Older Alter Ego in Vi Vid is related to her Sankt Kaiser self; and she'll eventually have to seal it.

Regardless of her and Nanoha saying it's perfectly fine in Vi Vid, it doesn't look like she has any involvement in Force. Keep in mind that shapeshifting in the Nanoha-verse is considered very costly, Mana-wise, yet Vivio was able to do it effortlessly.

  • It's also possible that she won't have any involvement in Force because 1)She's still in school; even if she's most likely going to be drawn into the problems in Vi Vid, Nanoha probably wants her to complete her education before joining the TSAB, and/or 2)The writers don't want to write anything that could contradict or spoil events in ViVid (excluding Vivio surviving).

Vivio does not age naturally

Vivio's genetic material being from the Sankt King would be similar to Ixpellia's, who has been alive for millenia. This may also be why there's no "strain" for her age-shifting. Hence Nanoha encouraging her experimenting in age-shifting.

Vivio has the unconscious power to influence people to love her

This might explain a few things. 1)She already has quite a large number of friends or people who are otherwise fond of her without having to go out and "befriend" anyone Nanoha-style. It doesn't seem as though anyone actively dislikes her (except for Scaglietti and Quattro, albeit regarding her as a tool). Quattro notes that Dieci was a typical Cold Sniper before she saw Vivio. 2)The seeming Retcon of Fate wanting to distance herself from being seen as Vivio's other mother (which, I might add, is similar to Nanoha initially considering finding a home for Vivio, rather than adopting her herself, before adopting her) might be due to Fate gradually becoming more and more enamored with Vivio.

  • I believe that the power you are thinking of is called Moe.
    • I was thinking more along the lines of C.C.s' former Geass power in Code Geass.
  • Given that Vivio is a clone of the apparently almost universally loved Saint King, that wouldn't be particularly surprising.

Subaru and Teana are living together in Vi Vid

OK, so we now know that Subaru lives at her own place, rather than with her father and sisters at the Nakajima residence. Considering how good her (and all of her sisters', too) relationship with Genya is, I can only think of one explanation why she'd move away from them: she does not want to be disturbed in her more... private moments. Just think of the fact that she has a positively huge double bed (wherein Einhart wakes up), which is, I'm pretty sure, the only one in the house. So my best guess is that she and Teana mirror their mentors' (Nanoha and Fate, respectively) relationship in every major aspect.

  • Well, according to the dialogue in SSX, it sounds like Tea doesn't usually stay with Subaru on Mid; she and Runessa had booked into a hotel, initially. But maybe things have changed between then and Vi Vid. It's a nice thought, anyway...
    • Well, considering how explicitly obvious all relationships are in Nanoha, and remembering that Fate officially spends most of her time off Mid-Childa, while Nanoha raises Vivio, yet Vivio still makes casual remarks like "Fate-mama is Nanoha-mama's close person"... yeah.
    • Notice that Teana has considerably less "tsun" in her Tsundere personality in Sound Stage X, only getting mildly annoyed at The Glomp, which could be a sign that she's continuing to warm up to Subaru, possibly romantically. Then again, she seems to be in Subaru's apartment for the first time in Striker S, although she hasn't seen her in person for a year and a half.
      • Ship Tease all the way. Way to go, Masaki Tsuzuki...
    • The Movie sound stage indicates that Subaru often isn't home because of how often she's called in by the rescue team. She probably chose the apartment for a more convenient location (which also most likely helped when picking up Nove, who encountered Einhart en route to the rescue team).
  • The Nanoha-verse is all about Ship Tease, with actual confirmed relationships pretty much confined to the supporting cast.

Hilde was Olivie's mom.

She's the only Saint with a school named after her so she must have been important even relative to the other Saint's, and having Vivio go to a school named after her biological mother would be ironic.

  • There's also St. Valerie, after whom an airport is named in Force.

Vivio will "befriend" Einhart the same way Nanoha did Fate

This may not be so much a Wild Guess, but after pages like this and this it's almost insultingly obvious that Vivio will take after Nanoha-mama a lot.

  • And about 6 months after they become friends, Ixpellia will wake up and become their "Hayate" analogy.
    • Well, of course, she is gonna befriend her -- right into the hospital. She wants to make her moms proud, after all... Btw, Einart has now beaten up Vivio twice, just like Fate did to Nanoha on their first meeting... Is it Love At First Punch?
    • The Einhart arc seems to be something of a prologue to the main story of Vi Vid, so it's possible that, like what happened with Ginga and Vivio in Striker S, Einhart will somehow be controlled by the villains and Vivio will have to defeat her while fighting for her life.

Heidi "Einhart Stratos" Ingvalt is Emperor Ingvalt's Reincarnation.

"Inherited his memories." It can't be just genetic, or all the clones in the series would be having flashbacks to their originals all the time. (Fate has some of Alicia's, but those were intentionally implanted to attempt to make her more similar.)

  • She does comment that it's common among her bloodline to have his memories, but hers are especially strong. Vivio should theoretically remember her past as Olivie, just like Fate had Alicia's memories and Zest retained his own. I guess Scaglietti didn't want her to unleash the Kung Fu Jesus upon him, so he conveniently forgot to copy those memories.
    • Magic in Nanoha isn't just genetic. Keep in mind, while Fate was a clone of Alicia, the original Alicia didn't have magic. There's a magical variable (such as the spiritual "Linker Core") that is passed down in addition to DNA.

Einhart is an Opposite Gender Clone of Ingvalt

Einhart's origins are pretty vague at this point and we haven't seen any of her supposed family in the first seven chapters. This may indicate that she is an Opposite Gender Clone of Ingvalt, and the whole "memories are commonly transfered in your bloodline" thing could be a cover story she was given.

    • There's nothing in the rules that says someone's soul can't be reincarnated into their own clone.

Vi Vid is actually being written by Yukari Tamura

Remember her comment in this interview? Now take a look at the Takamachi household in ViVid. Mmmm... suspicious. Of course, if this is true, we may see a case of Homosexual Reproduction sometime before the end of ViVid.

  • I can agree with this to a point since so far, there hasn't been any real sense of plot in this series. But as for that claim of Homosexual Reproduction, it's doubtful that they'll get to that stage considering the current status quo of Hide Your Lesbians.

Lutecia's mother has veto'd Lutecia working for the Time Space Administration Bureau.

Hence Lutecia still having her sentence on her Luxury Prison Planet. They're going easy on her because other than that she's cooperative; but the Mid-Child justice system is very heavy on recruitment. The current "Training Grounds" is a compromise.

  • For that matter, shouldn't Lutecia still be in school? She is just one year older than Einhart, so you'd think she'll attend Hogwarts St. Hilde Academy...
    • She mentions a study program at the rehabilitation center, does quite a bit of reading on advanced subjects, and learned Ancient Belkan, among possible other skills, from Scaglietti. It's also unclear to what degree schooling is mandatory on Mid-Childia; Fate considers having Erio and Caro go to school, but Erio isn't interested, and Subaru attended some regular school (but not magic school) before entering the academy at 12).

Olivie and (Klaus) Ingvalt were Star-Crossed Lovers back in the day.

They seemed to have rather deep feelings for one another, and got along very well despite tension between their countries and the situation with Olivie there as a pseudo-hostage. Also, Olivie was the one who triggered Ingvalt's Failure Knight deal.

  • That is pretty much a given, but considering how "maintext" the romantic relationships tend to be in this series, it will probably never be acknowledged officially.

The Demoted to Extra status of Yuuno, Arf etc. is the result of a systematic Unpersoning.

Obligatory crackpot conspiracy theory! It would explain why you have such ridiculous things such as Yuuno not being visible even in his own Library in Vi Vid.

  • While Yuuno is conspicuously absent on the list of Vivio's important people, Vivio never goes to the Infinity Library in ViVid, only stopping by a normal library that may be the school library.

Nanoha and Hayate enjoy keeping Fate out of the loop for personal amusement

Her not knowing about Vivio's Older Alter Ego is not the only time this has happened; near the end of the Striker S]] manga, Hayate leads Fate to the final battle between the forwards and the captains without telling her what it is. This could be the result of Fate being possibly the most serious and socially awkward of the three Aces, compared to the more cheerful Nanoha and the sometimes mischievious Hayate, making her reactions all the more amusing. Rather than it being a case of being so Married to the Job that she doesn't hear about Vivio's ability to transform at will, Erio, Caro and Vivio most likely assumed Nanoha told her already and didn't say anything.

Lutecia's Emotionless Girl status was Quattro's fault...

...because unless Quattro has super brainwashing powers in addition to her IS, she couldn't have executed Lutecia's Villain Override unless Lulu had been tampered with somehow, possibly by turning her into a relic weapon (which would explain quite nicely how a ten-year old who isn't Hayate gets to be an S-rank mage). If Quattro had a chance to tamper with Lutecia for any reason, it would be perfectly in-character for her to play God with Lutecia's personality like she did with Sette, either to make her more pliable as a tool or just because she could. This would also explain why Lutecia experienced such a dramatic personality shift between StrikerS and Vi Vid; without Quattro's tampering and with the TSAB probably getting her medical attention at some point in her captivity, whatever artificial changes Quattro imposed on her came undone, and her thought processes and personality naturally shifted back to their original state.

Megane was a DMG in her youth, and Quint was the MG who befriended her

Generation Xerox, remember? Though, actually, this is inspired by Megane's flashback in the recent Vi Vid chapter.

Basically, Megane was a DMG, Quint befriended her, they became a couple Just Friends. Since it was still the time when Magical Girls were supposed to marry, Quint married Genya for show but continued her relationship with Megane (then again, lesbian office affairs are obviously not a big deal on the Mid). Genya probably knew about and accepted it, which is why they didn't have any kids, but jumped at the chance to adopt Quint's clones. Also explains why rainbows are straighter than at least one of her "daughters". As for Megane's own daughter, see the above theory.

The Forwards never entered an Inter-Middle

Because they would pretty much slaughter every non-Forward participant there if they did. Teana, the magically-weakest member of the four, "killed" three combat cyborgs who were using lethal force against her, while crippled. The kids who participate in these tournaments do it just for fun and challenge. Sure, they may win on technical points but if it really comes to taking the opponent down, very few things can top Nanoha and Vita's Training from Hell and actual combat experience.

  • This is debatable as Einhart is able to defeat Nove and there are other even more powerfull fighters there like Micaiah who is able to beat Einhart in a practice and slice buses with barely any effort. There's also Sieglinde who is strong enough to curbstomp Micaiah herself and is an undefeated champion.
  • Nove didn't even use her IS against Heidi IIRC, yet she managed to plant a bug on her and make her collapse a minute later. In other words, Nove was in control of the fight the whole time. As for Sieglinde and Micaiah, sure, they have nice techniques and it may bring them victory, but they are not kicking ass for a living like the Forwards.
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