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Last Res0rt, being a Cyberpunk comic, accepts plenty of Cynicism... but the Mood Dissonance with the otherwise bright settings and characters brings in the Idealism.
- Most of the humans (and part-human Celeste) in Last Res0rt are more Cynical than their furry counterparts.
El Goonish Shive has eight main characters which allows them to run the gamut of the scale. However, Susan is firmly cynical and Tedd is probably the most idealistic. Which makes their Odd Friendship what it is.
In City of Reality the titular city is so firmly embedded into "idealistic" end of the scale, it's actually kind of creepy, to the point that you might think of it as a Deconstruction of the concept itself. In fact, it's even noticed by some of the characters, and made into part of the plot. Later, however, they face inhabitants of the other worlds in the universe, which tend far towards the opposite end of the scale, showing them just what they're fighting for. And against, as their main opponents for Chapter Five turn out to be some of their own people, turned Well-Intentioned Extremist as they attempt to protect Reality's way of life at any cost.
Chess Piece is somewhere in the middle, veering either way, though characters themselves range from idealistic (Vlad, Kwan, Diligence) to in the middle (Sam, Doug, Skulker) to cynical (Doug again, Danny, Abe).
In the first campaign of Darths and Droids, pretty much everyone (including the Game Master) are cynical and dangerously Genre Savvy. Annie (playing Anakin) changes that and wins points for the effort, but by the time the second campaign started rolling they've all been lured to the "dark side" of cynicism.
In a similar manner, The Game Master in DM of the Rings is the only one trying to uphold some sort of idealism. This crumbles slowly as he becomes fed up with his extraordinarily-cynical players.
In Harkovast, a lot of the tension between the characters come from those that are more cynical (Shogun and Ki) and how their attitudes conflict with those that are more idealistic (Chen-Chen and Sit Muir).
Brawl in the Family is usually quite idealistic, and Metaknight even points out that this is why DeDeDe is the Designated Antagonist and why Kirby isn't.
Eight Bit Theater appears to be one of the most unabashedly cynical things ever drawn. For example, Black Mage's super nuke attack, the Hadouken, is powered by love. As in: every time he uses it, the divorce rate goes up measurably. However, it's too silly to be considered either cynical or idealistic. The Light Warriors, BM especially, are the universe's butt monkeys and anyone they come into contact with gets hurt, but there are genuinely good guys in the comic (Fighter, WM, the four White Mages at the end), and it's all Played for Laughs.
The Inexplicable Adventures of Bob plants itself firmly on the idealistic side with this encounter between Bob and Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds Galatea.
Jack sits oh so very far on the cynical side, possibly up there with Warhammer 40,000. Half the premise is: "If life's not fair, why should the afterlife be?"
Homestuck comes off as a mixture of both sides. On the one hand, the game of SBURB seems to award victory to those who grow up and face their fears and so on, resulting in a fairly typical Coming of Age Story set up. On the other, for the trolls, 'coming of age' consists of succumbing to their innate bloodlust (and by NOT murdering each other they end up losing) , whilst the kids are stuck in a universe doomed from the start.
Basic Instructions is reasonably far over onto the cynical side, as it's full of snark and many characters are distinguishable by their flaws. In many ways, it's similar to Dilbert in terms of cynicism.
A Miracle of Science is on the far idealistic side. The whole point of the story is that mad science can be cured without using any violence. Then there is Mars, which shines in idealism with its utopistic society, and even the crime-ridden Venus is relatively tame.
Surprisingly for a webcomic set in a post-apocalyptic world, A Moment of Peace is pretty idealistic. Despite the world being full of monsters, the main characters live very cheerfully wandering around, and they even befriend some monsters.

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-* ''[[Last Res 0 rt]]'', being a [[Cyberpunk]] comic, accepts plenty of Cynicism... but the [[Mood Dissonance]] with the otherwise bright settings and characters brings in the Idealism.
+* ''[[Last Res0rt]]'', being a [[Cyberpunk]] comic, accepts plenty of Cynicism... but the [[Mood Dissonance]] with the otherwise bright settings and characters brings in the Idealism.
-** Most of the humans (and part-human Celeste) in ''[[Last Res 0 rt]]'' are more Cynical than [[Furry Fandom|their furry counterparts]].
+** Most of the humans (and part-human Celeste) in ''[[Last Res0rt]]'' are more Cynical than [[Furry Fandom|their furry counterparts]].
-* ''[[El Goonish Shive (Webcomic)|El Goonish Shive]]'' has eight main characters which allows them to run the gamut of the scale. However, [[Defrosting Ice Queen|Susan]] is firmly cynical and [[Chivalrous Pervert|Tedd]] is probably the most idealistic. Which makes their [[Odd Friendship]] what it is.
+* ''[[El Goonish Shive]]'' has eight main characters which allows them to run the gamut of the scale. However, [[Defrosting Ice Queen|Susan]] is firmly cynical and [[Chivalrous Pervert|Tedd]] is probably the most idealistic. Which makes their [[Odd Friendship]] what it is.
-* In ''[[City of Reality]]'' the titular city is so firmly embedded into "idealistic" end of the scale, it's actually [http://cityofreality.com/2009/08/01/01-01-monsters/ kind of creepy], to the point that you might think of it as a [[Deconstruction]] of the concept itself. In fact, it's even noticed by some of the characters, and made into part of the plot. Later, however, they face inhabitants of the [[Alternate Universe|other worlds in the universe]], which tend far towards the opposite end of the scale, showing them just what they're fighting for. And ''against'', as their main opponents for Chapter Five turn out to be some of their own people, turned [[Well Intentioned Extremist]] as they attempt to protect Reality's way of life at any cost.
+* In ''[[City of Reality]]'' the titular city is so firmly embedded into "idealistic" end of the scale, it's actually [https://web.archive.org/web/20130824151520/http://cityofreality.com/2009/08/01/01-01-monsters/ kind of creepy], to the point that you might think of it as a [[Deconstruction]] of the concept itself. In fact, it's even noticed by some of the characters, and made into part of the plot. Later, however, they face inhabitants of the [[Alternate Universe|other worlds in the universe]], which tend far towards the opposite end of the scale, showing them just what they're fighting for. And ''against'', as their main opponents for Chapter Five turn out to be some of their own people, turned [[Well-Intentioned Extremist]] as they attempt to protect Reality's way of life at any cost.
-* ''[[Chess Piece (Fanfic)|Chess Piece]]'' is somewhere in the middle, veering either way, though characters themselves range from idealistic (Vlad, Kwan, Diligence) to in the middle (Sam, Doug, Skulker) to cynical (Doug again, Danny, Abe).
+* ''[[Chess Piece]]'' is somewhere in the middle, veering either way, though characters themselves range from idealistic (Vlad, Kwan, Diligence) to in the middle (Sam, Doug, Skulker) to cynical (Doug again, Danny, Abe).
-* In the first campaign of ''[[Darths and Droids (Webcomic)|Darths and Droids]]'', pretty much everyone (including the Game Master) are cynical and dangerously [[Genre Savvy]]. Annie (playing Anakin) changes that and wins points for the effort, but by the time the second campaign started rolling they've all been [[Incredibly Lame Pun|lured to the "dark side" of cynicism]].
+* In the first campaign of ''[[Darths and Droids]]'', pretty much everyone (including the Game Master) are cynical and dangerously [[Genre Savvy]]. Annie (playing Anakin) changes that and wins points for the effort, but by the time the second campaign started rolling they've all been [[Incredibly Lame Pun|lured to the "dark side" of cynicism]].
 * In a similar manner, The Game Master in ''[[DM of the Rings]]'' is the only one trying to uphold some sort of idealism. This crumbles slowly as he becomes fed up with his extraordinarily-cynical players.
 * In ''[[Harkovast]]'', a lot of the tension between the characters come from those that are more cynical (Shogun and Ki) and how their attitudes conflict with those that are more idealistic (Chen-Chen and Sit Muir).
-* ''[[Brawl in The Family (Webcomic)|Brawl in The Family]]'' is usually quite idealistic, [http://www.brawlinthefamily.com/?p=692 and Metaknight even points out that this is why DeDeDe is the] [[Designated Antagonist]] and why [[Designated Hero|Kirby isn't]].
+* ''[[Brawl in the Family]]'' is usually quite idealistic, [https://web.archive.org/web/20101229133544/http://www.brawlinthefamily.com/?p=692 and Metaknight even points out that this is why DeDeDe is the] [[Designated Antagonist]] and why [[Designated Hero|Kirby isn't]].
-* ''[[Eight Bit Theater (Webcomic)|Eight Bit Theater]]'' appears to be one of the most unabashedly cynical things ever drawn. For example, Black Mage's super nuke attack, the Hadouken, is powered by love. As in: every time he uses it, the divorce rate goes up measurably. However, it's too silly to be considered either cynical or idealistic. The Light Warriors, BM especially, are the universe's [[Butt Monkey|butt monkeys]] and anyone they come into contact with gets hurt, but there are genuinely good guys in the comic (Fighter, WM, the four White Mages at the end), and it's all [[Played for Laughs]].
+* ''[[8-Bit Theater|Eight Bit Theater]]'' appears to be one of the most unabashedly cynical things ever drawn. For example, Black Mage's super nuke attack, the Hadouken, is powered by love. As in: every time he uses it, the divorce rate goes up measurably. However, it's too silly to be considered either cynical or idealistic. The Light Warriors, BM especially, are the universe's [[Butt Monkey|butt monkeys]] and anyone they come into contact with gets hurt, but there are genuinely good guys in the comic (Fighter, WM, the four White Mages at the end), and it's all [[Played for Laughs]].
-* ''[[The Inexplicable Adventures of Bob]]'' plants itself firmly on the idealistic side with [http://bobadventures.comicgenesis.com/d/20080722.html this] encounter between Bob and [[Woobie Destroyer of Worlds]] Galatea.
+* ''[[The Inexplicable Adventures of Bob]]'' plants itself firmly on the idealistic side with [http://bobadventures.comicgenesis.com/d/20080722.html this] encounter between Bob and [[Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds]] Galatea.
-* ''[[Jack (Webcomic)|Jack]]'' sits oh so very far on the cynical side, possibly up there with [[Warhammer 40000]]. Half the premise is: "If life's not fair, why should the afterlife be?"
+* ''[[Jack (webcomic)|Jack]]'' sits oh so very far on the cynical side, possibly up there with [[Warhammer 40,000]]. Half the premise is: "If life's not fair, why should the afterlife be?"
-* ''[[Homestuck (Webcomic)|Homestuck]]'' comes off as a mixture of both sides. On the one hand, the game of SBURB seems to award victory to those who grow up and face their fears and so on, resulting in a fairly typical [[Coming of Age Story]] set up. On the other, for the trolls, 'coming of age' consists of succumbing to their innate bloodlust (and by NOT murdering each other they end up losing) , whilst the kids are stuck in a universe doomed from the start.
+* ''[[Homestuck]]'' comes off as a mixture of both sides. On the one hand, the game of SBURB seems to award victory to those who grow up and face their fears and so on, resulting in a fairly typical [[Coming of Age Story]] set up. On the other, for the trolls, 'coming of age' consists of succumbing to their innate bloodlust (and by NOT murdering each other they end up losing) , whilst the kids are stuck in a universe doomed from the start.
 * ''[[Basic Instructions]]'' is reasonably far over onto the cynical side, as it's full of snark and many characters are distinguishable by their flaws. In many ways, it's similar to [[Dilbert]] in terms of cynicism.
-* ''[[A Miracle of Science (Webcomic)|A Miracle of Science]]'' is on the far idealistic side. The whole point of the story is that [[Science Related Memetic Disorder|mad science]] can be cured without using any violence. Then there is Mars, which shines in idealism with its utopistic society, and even the crime-ridden Venus is relatively tame.
+* ''[[A Miracle of Science]]'' is on the far idealistic side. The whole point of the story is that [[Science-Related Memetic Disorder|mad science]] can be cured without using any violence. Then there is Mars, which shines in idealism with its utopistic society, and even the crime-ridden Venus is relatively tame.
-* Surprisingly for a webcomic set in a [[After the End|post-apocalyptic]] world, ''[[A Moment of Peace (Webcomic)|A Moment of Peace]]'' is pretty idealistic. Despite the world being full of monsters, the main characters live very cheerfully wandering around, and they even befriend some monsters.
+* Surprisingly for a webcomic set in a [[After the End|post-apocalyptic]] world, ''[[A Moment of Peace]]'' is pretty idealistic. Despite the world being full of monsters, the main characters live very cheerfully wandering around, and they even befriend some monsters.
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