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Ilikecomputers (talkcontribs)

Weird Moon is when the moon is depicted in a weird way, either with weird eclipses, lunar phases, or size and shape. The definition of Artsy Moon states this can be "because of actual physical changes", while Weird Moon states that "There can be objects (such as stars) visible inside the crescent", and "it usually becomes an important plot point" qualifies for the trope. In other words, an actual physical change qualifies for both Artsy Moon and Weird Moon.


In addition, Weird Moon states that "The crescent moon is often depicted in a stylized, unrealistic manner", while Artsy Moon states the moon can be depicted this way due to Artistic License, which allows for a stylised and unrealistic depiction. All signs point to Artsy Moon being a subtrope of Weird Moon, with the only distinguishing factor being that the artsy moon is depicted that way for the "Artsy" part.


I've tried to write around this issue in the past by adding the text "The differentiating factor here is the "Artsy" part. If the Moon is depicted in a weird way for artistic value, then it belongs here. It it's just weird, or because it's clearly not our Moon, then it doesn't belong" to the Artsy Moon page, but what qualifies as "Artsy" is subjective. I've put examples where I think it is "Artsy" in Artsy Moon, and others in Weird Moon, but some examples I added, such as Shuna's Journey, is both Artsy and Weird. Yes. The moon is depicted in a stylised way, but the moon is also physically weird, so it blurs the line between these two tropes. The Tale of the Princess Kaguya, my other addition to the Artsy Moon page, does depict its moon in an artsy way (see page image for Artsy Moon), but there's also some elements of Weird Moon that impacts on the story, so it can belong in both tropes.

We either need to add a better distinguishing element (or explanation) to Artsy Moon to separate it from Weird Moon further, or merge the two tropes. See the page for Ridiculously Similar Trope.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

We have voted to merge the two tropes under the name "Weird Moon".

Who's going to do the work?

Robkelk (talkcontribs)
HeneryVII (talkcontribs)

I'd say both are the same Trope.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

I'd concur on a merge, I find it really hard to draw a pointed distinction here.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Agreed. I remember musing on this very same point when trying to figure out how to trope the shattered moon of Remnant in RWBY, and yeah. It's the same trope described from two different directions.

GentlemensDame883 (talkcontribs)

Agreed on merger.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I have no strong opinion here, because I haven't had a chance to read either page.

If there's a merger (and so far the voting is leaning that way), which name do the Tropers want to use and which one becomes a redirect? (If it was up to me, I'd keep "Artsy Moon", myself.)

Ilikecomputers (talkcontribs)

Even though I personally like the "Artsy Moon" name better, I believe that "Weird Moon" is ultimately a better name because it's clearer about what the trope is.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Blowing the dust off this thread, three months later.

We appear to be in agreement that the two pages should be merged. We are not in agreement as to which name to give the merged page (with the other name remaining as a redirect, at lest for a while). Should we call the merged page "Weird Moon" or "Artsy Moon"?

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Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

I feel "Weird" can more easily include "Artsy" than the other way around. "Weird Moon".

Utini501 (talkcontribs)

Weird Moon works for me.

HeneryVII (talkcontribs)

I like "Weird Moon" too.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

While this vote is taking place (and we'll let it run over the weekend), I've updated Weird Moon/Laconic to apply to both versions of the trope.

GentlemensDame883 (talkcontribs)

"Weird" seems more encompassing to me. I'll go with that.

Ilikecomputers (talkcontribs)

"Weird Moon".


Something about "Artsy Moon" doesn't sit right with me.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)
Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Seconded. Thank you, Ilikecomputers!

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