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A couple Sandbox pages that I found

Damian Yerrick (talkcontribs)
TBeholder (talkcontribs)

I noticed a duplicated page for a work. Merging perhaps should be done by someone who knows what's it about, if possible.

Please delete Trope Workshop: Adaptation Correction

Arromdee (talkcontribs)

I launched it and I'm not sure how to get rid of the trope workshop entry.

Arcane (talkcontribs)

Fixed. When moving a page in MediaWiki, make sure you move it and it's associated talk page to the main namespace and leave a redirect back to the Trope Workshop namespace.

I've already done this for you.

Also noticed some double posting errors, please inform me if this keeps occurring.

TBeholder (talkcontribs)
Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Somebody came up with the idea of putting the "WMG" and "Headscratchers" part of works' WMG and Headscratchers pages at the end of the subpage name.


  • Heroes (TV series)/Hiro and Ando/Headscratchers
  • Heroes (TV series)/Angela/Headscratchers
  • Heroes (TV series)/Miscellaneous/Headscratchers
  • Heroes (TV series)/Maya/Headscratchers
  • Heroes (TV series)/Danko/Headscratchers
  • Heroes (TV series)/Claire/Headscratchers

and so on. This means the Wanted Pages list - the one that I had previously been using to find pages that people ask for - includes

  • Heroes (TV series)/Hiro and Ando
  • Heroes (TV series)/Angela
  • Heroes (TV series)/Miscellaneous
  • Heroes (TV series)/Maya
  • Heroes (TV series)/Danko
  • Heroes (TV series)/Claire

and so on. With similar issues with the subpages of Axis Powers Hetalia, Bleach, Doctor Who, The Dresden Files, My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic, One Piece, Pokémon, and other series with large numbers of sub-subpages, and since the Wanted Pages list is limited to 1000 entries, this means the signal-to-noise ratio on the Wanted Pages list has dropped to the point of unusability.

Could somebody please run a bot to change the naming format from work/sub-subsection/WMG and work/sub-subsection/Headscratchers to work/WMG/sub-subsection and work/Headscratchers/sub-subsection, and make the Wanted Pages list useful again?

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Similarly, the decision to adopt the form work/Recap/S#/episode is filling the Wanted Pages list with multiple requests for pages work/Recap/S# - this also needs to be fixed.

2601:681:4800:5130:2CC4:16DE:5E82:6B32 (talkcontribs)

To the best of my knowledge, all of the trope names that have been changed were changed back on TVTropes, and some of them were changed for reasons that may or may not sit right with the All The Tropes community. I actually have no idea what the All The Tropes community is like, so I'm going to find out by posting a list of renamed tropes that I recommend (in some cases lukewarmly) reverting back to their original names. I've gone through the A-E folder so far, and may do more if the community is receptive to the project.

Addressing the Player: The new name sounds like a general trope for breaking the fourth wall in video games. Should revert to "Anyone You Know," which is opaque but not misleading.

Advertising Only Continuity: The new name implies that the trope is about a fully separate canon unique to advertisements. It's about advertisements making mistakes with the canon. The old title "Plot Sold Separately" is more entertaining and not any less clear.

Alien Non-Interference Clause: "Prime Directive" is by far the most prominent example of this trope. It's the Kleenex of the trope. Prime Directive is just as easily understood as Alien Non-Interference Clause, it's shorter, and it's already in common parlance amongst the kinds of people who look things up on TVTropes.

Arc Fatigue: This one I'm a little bit woffly on myself. The original title, "Are They Still On Namek," is a fairly clear reference to a fairly well known arc in such a way that makes it obvious what trait of the arc (its prodigious length) is being referred to. The only question is: Is Dragonball Z so ubiquitous amongst nerdy internet people that 90% of the users of the wiki will get the joke? I'd give 70% easy, but I'm not sure about 90%.

Artistic License: Advocating for this revert was the reason I wrote all this up in the first place. Generally speaking, all of these should be reverted back to "You Fail X Forever." This name change was motivated by bureaucratization and efforts to avoid offending anyone. Down that road lies madness. We should walk it back. One exception: Anatomically Impossible Sex is better than You Fail Sex Ed Forever, just because generally speaking titles that don't fit a snowclone format are better than ones that do. A second exception: "Failed to pay Shipping Charges" is extremely unclear. I don't know what ship-related education could be used in its place. "You Fail Naval Academy Forever" doesn't sound great, but it's workable.

Asian Gal with White Guy: Anything renamed because it's "offensive" gets immediate skepticism from me. That said, the original title of "Me Love You Long Time" does strike me as a little misleading, just because nothing about the trope requires any profession of undying love, nor that the Asian girl speak Engrish, nor does the title even imply that the target of affection must be white, which is apparently a key part of the trope.

Authority in Name Only: Like Arc Fatigue, I'm not sure this one is quite well known enough to qualify being reverted to "The King of Town," but I think it's worth considering.

Belligerent Sexual Tension: The original name, Takahashi Couple, is not a reference anyone is going to get. However, it is named after a creator, not a character, which means it's less of fanboys insisting that everything be renamed to their injokes and more honoring a creator by naming one of their more commonly used tropes after them. Tsunderes in Love would also work. It's funny and not especially misleading.

Bloody Murder: On the one hand, I appreciate that pun. But on the other hand, "Weaponized Blood" is *quite a bit* more clear.

Capital City: I actually agree that the original isn't great, but it's better than a title that causes people to confuse the trope of a hub city in a video game with a literal capital city.

Combined Energy Attack: The reason given for renaming it from "Spirit Bomb" is that some people thought the trope was a weapon to attack someoen's spirit. Such a trope would be called something more generic like "Spirit Attack." While people unfamiliar with Dragonball Z might not know what a spirit bomb is, I doubt that there is actually a large number of people who don't get that it refers to some kind of specific weapon or technique. I would probably support the trope being renamed to get it away from implying that it must be an attack, but the current name doesn't actually solve that problem.

Conviction by Contradiction: Particularly when used intelligently in a sentence, the trope "Bugs Meany is Gonna Walk" should not be especially confusing. The only point of confusion I could see is confusion with the trope below, but...

Conviction by Counterfactual Clue: I think Encyclopedia Brown deserves to be immortalized as being guilty of this even if it's slightly less clear, so I recommend reversion to "Encyclopedia Browned."

Crapsack World: Why was a trope renamed away from a reference when that reference is perfectly self-explanatory? "Sick Sad World" is a perfectly adequate title, even if I've never heard of the show(?) it's from.

Creator's Pet: It's probably wise not to revert to "the Wesley," because that can be confused with, for example, the hero of the Princess Bride. I do want to state for the record that Wesley Crusher is a *really* good (bad?) example of this trope, though.

Cultural Stereotypes: Originally "Acceptable Cultural Targets." Renamed because apparently the new title is more "objective." It's pretty objectively true that some cultures are considered acceptable targets of stereotyping.

Double Standard Rape: The trope page appears to have been entirely nuked at one point. I think the original title of "Rape is Okay When it's Female on Male" is a sufficiently obvious double standard to make it clear that the concept is being mocked. One of those things where when you say it flat out it's obviously wrong. Maybe I'm underestimating the madness of the modern internet.

Eloquent In My Native Tongue: I think the new name rolls off the tongue better, but am extremely skeptical of the reasons for changing it from "I Sound Like a Retard in English."

Enigmatic Empowering Entity: "Strange Pond Woman" is a great title for this. It just sounds funny. It does have clarity issues, though.

2dgirlfan (talkcontribs)

I agree a lot of the name's being restored, ones I don't or have some particular comment on

The Artistic license definitely needs to be changed back.

Spirit bomb sounds more like it would fall into an "elemental powers" list, possibly even if you are familiar with DBZ. "Give Me Your Energy" is probably a better title if you wanted a DBZ reference.

The Encyclopedia Brown tropes are super opaque so the new names can be kept.

King of the Town sounds like a local celebrity treated like a "king" in town.

"Capital City" could be "Central Hub City" or just "Hub City" (I doubt it will be confused with the home of The Question). "Central Station City" (A Sonic Adventure reference) works too.

Crapsack World and Sick Sad World are both good titles I doubt it's worth the effort to replace all the uses.

Really would like to see Deadpan Loli, which was renamed WAY before the fork, restored.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

We have three pages in the New Pages Feed that need to be marked as reviewed, but when you try, it throws an error of the form:

An error occurred while marking the page as reviewed: [17d418565804d01bd8c883a6] Exception Caught: Cannot notify anonymous user:

I'm posting this here and in the Drunkard's Walk forums in the hopes that someone knows how to get around it. (I've got one idea which I haven't tried yet, but I figured it can't help to raise a flag on this.)

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

Seems to be an issue with the database, file a support request on Miraheze.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Okay, will do. Thanks.

Pinokio (talkcontribs)

Mobile Phone Games are tropeworthy, I don't care if you think they suck, I think they suck, I deleted them all from my phone but if you find yourself downloading a bunch of them then patterns start to emerge which become tropes which become useless trivia so my method is to download the ones that would appear to be relevant to your interests and notice anything like in the tutorial there was an obvious Skyrim reference and then you would trope that and on the one hand you're just supporting these stupid memetic references fueled by ad networks, premium currency and stamina systems which are also tropeable so get that Stamina System page up there until you can look back on such a list of examples and say hey why am I supporting this crap.

Elemental Rock-Paper-Scissors is a pretty common occurrence for these games, so take note of that during tutorial as well and be sure to add it as an example even if you say this is stupid I don't care.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

Uh, calm down, no one has an issue with them that I know of, and if you want to work on this, we welcome the contributions.

Derivative (talkcontribs)

He hasn't had a single edit reverted so fuck knows why he's so nervous about them.

Pinokio (talkcontribs)

There are tropes in particular that do not exist yet that I am finding bothersome yet achieve little notice. Sacrificial leveling. Hierarchal advancement. The commodity of souls. Peculiar to this medium and to Facebook games, ubiquitously cloned and copied, as if pretending to be Mafia Wars was the most natural way to go. The repetition of themes may indeed lead to tropes, tropes most disturbing to some, not so to others. I just have a problem with it. That's all.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

Well, let me give you some advice.

Relax, this is not something to get all huffy over.

If you want to improve our coverage of mobile phone games, then please, by all means, go ahead, we could use the help.

Ranting about it here and not addressing the issue does not fix the issue.

And if we need some new tropes to cover these topics, that's what our Trope Workshop is for.

Pinokio (talkcontribs)

Taken further in the game Dark Summoner. Every time a monster is sacrificed, an animation plays showing a metal gate closing down and likely squishing that monster. And how do you explain sacrificing players in Soccer Spirits. How does it work that way.

Pinokio (talkcontribs)

Oh that's from the coffee, don't worry about it.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

Cool, good to know you got that out of your system.

Look forward to your improvement to our coverage on this topic.

Never0 (talkcontribs)

I have been trying to clean up the Cute X Guy page, which was originally full of grammatical errors and poorly explained examples, and one error that has stuck with me is the inaccurate page title. I realize that the "×" could make it difficult to find the page in the search bar, but figured it would be fine to correct the page title and relegate "Cute X Guy" to an "Also Known As" option for that purpose.

(P.S. If someone wouldn't mind explaining to me exactly how "Also Known As" examples come to be, I would appreciate it. Is it something only administrators can do?)

Objections? Suggestions?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

The "AKA" entries are an automatically-generated list of all the redirects pointing to the page. If you allow the page move to turn the old name into a redirect, it will show up there.

Goo Monster (talkcontribs)

All instances (or virtually all instances, probably) of DuckTales refer to DuckTales (1987). Can we please have a bot go through and fix it?

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

I'll get on it ASAP.

Goo Monster (talkcontribs)