Talk:Studio Ghibli

Proposal passed five votes in favour, zero against.

The current image isn't the best in terms of quality due to its small size, and doesn't have the iconic blue (#109ceb) associated with the studio. Thus, it's not the best suited to present this concept because it is missing a fundamental part of the studio's identity. Therefore, I propose a new image taken from one of their works. The Borrower Arrietty looks like a good place to take the vanity plate.

For an idea of what the proposed replacement looks like, go here. The final image will have a slightly different shade of blue.

The current image will not be deleted if the proposal succeeds, because we still need it in Template:Films associated with Studio Ghibli and a userbox.

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Voting to replace the image.

The background colour is part of the logo, yes. Vote to replace.

Yeah, I'm okay with this.

Vote to replace; it's not as plain as the current one.

Replace vague claim Ghibli was recently rated as the top brand in Japan with a verifiable quote serving as proof of their box office success.

Our page currently claims that "Ghibli was recently rated as the top brand in Japan", but I cannot appear to find any source for this claim. My (admittedly brief) research led me to https://benextbrand.com/top-brands-of-japan/, where Ghibli doesn't make it on the list, although the website may not be that trustworthy, appearing more like a personal blog than an objective ranking. I cannot find any information about this claim on The Other Wiki's entry for Ghibli. My simple search for "ghibli rated top brand" only turns up rankings for their films. A journey to the more reputable looking https://brandirectory.com/rankings/japan/ doesn't list it either, neither in 2021 / 2022 nor 2013. Even if Ghibli was rated the top brand, we still don't know when it happened, so the page is not timeless and we would still need more information.

Looking through the page history, it appears that the information was there all the way back from when we forked The Other Tropes Wiki. Given that early on their quality control can be a bit... lacking, I think someone added it in, no one questioned it or asked for proof, and everyone just went along with it.

My proposal is to just remove that information from the sentence. Instead of having "Ghibli was recently rated as the top brand in Japan, and is a household name even among non-Otaku." we just have "Ghibli is a household name even among non-Otaku" (a much more subjective fact which is much harder to prove). Of course, you editors and admins are more experienced than me at this, so you may be able to turn up something I can't.

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It might be worth doing a bit more research before removing the claim altogether. (Disclaimer: I'm a big fan of Studio Ghibli and would rather see the statement stay, but only if it's true.)

Words like "recently" usually came from TVTropes, and we almost always put the {{when}} tag on them. And when there's a statement that we can't verify, we put the {{verify}} tag on them. We can certainly d both of those things here whether we check the statements or not.

I've submitted an edit with the when and verify tags. I think the big problem with the claim is that there is no standardised ranking of brands. There are many websites which all offer rankings, and as far as I can tell none of them has Ghibli. In fact, I can't even find a single animation studio on any list; the rankings are all major brands like car manufacturers and electronics companies. Ghibli is by no means a small brand, but they are minuscule when compared to the companies (Toyota, Honda, Sony, Nintendo etc.) which top the list.

I'll leave this for around a week or so before removing the claim to see if anyone else have information about it. One thing which I really don't like is seeing those tags on an article about something which I know I can resolve. I want to fix the information now, not leave it for some future person to do so.

I'm a big fan of Studio Ghibli

One of us! One of us!

Tried to do something new. Instead of using search engines, I decided to go straight to the source at ghibli.jp. Armed with Google Translate, I started looking through https://www.ghibli.jp/history/ and found... nothing. They certainly did receive praise, with stuff like "With this, Ghibli has been nominated for an Academy Award for three consecutive years" and "[Ponyo] received enthusiastic support and praise from the jury and audience, which is an unforgettable event. " Despite this, there is nothing about being the top rated brand. Being rated as the top by any number of metrics should be a big thing, so if it happened, it should be on there, and it should be something which the studio is proud to display.

So I started scrolling through their news archives at https://www.ghibli.jp/info/, going to July 2013 (around page 45) as that is when we imported the claim. As I don't have an account on the other tropes wiki, I looked through the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine to find when that claim was made, and it was present in the crawl at the second of September, 2012 (the earliest the Wayback Machine goes on the page). I looked through page 45 to 80 of Ghibli's news, taking me back to December 2007, and didn't find anything about this. I did go quite fast (I could sit here for an entire day just scrolling the website and reading the archives), so I may have missed something. Of course there is always the possibility that information has changed while translated from Japanese to English, but I can conclude that my hour long visit to Ghibli's site yielded nothing regarding them as a top rated brand.

I found this, which isn't the same statement but can replace what we have:

{{quote|The fact is that out of the 15 top-grossing animation films made in Japan, eight of them have been credited to the work of Studio Ghibli.|Jojo Nguyen, [https://animost.com/tutorials/top-4-japanese-animation-companies-be-loved-most-across-the-world/ "Top 4 Japanese animation companies with shows be loved most across the world"], animost.com, April 9, 2021}}

EDIT: Oh, but we didn't have a page quote. Now we do. :)

The information may be a bit outdated, in the list at the other wiki at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_Japanese_films I only counted six Ghibli productions. Number 12 Bayside Shakedown 2 is live action, so I excluded that and counted the 16th. I'm happy keeping it as a quote on Ghibli's page, and do consider it as an alternative to "Ghibli is the top rated brand". Top ratings are all about income and profit, and that quote is clearly evidence for income and profit. With this, I think we're good to go to delete "Ghibli was recently ^[when?] rated as the top brand in Japan^{[please verify]}", but I'm putting this out here to get a consensus.

Agreed on deleting the statement that we can't confirm, now that we have a statement that we sourced (and thus can let that person confirm).

Yeah, probably an artifact from the initial fork.

An OVA that was not produced by the studio ended up on its page, therefore we removed it.

It doesn't appear that this is a Ghibli production. I tried Ctrl + f for both 'Legend of Ogrest' and 'Wafku' on Wikipedia's List of Studio Ghibli films, and nothing turns up. I have found the apparent IMDb page for this OVA, and it doesn't list Ghibli as a production company. Plus, I have never heard of this production despite being a Ghibli fan for 2 years now, which are all evidence to suggest that this is not a Ghibli film.

No, it looks like you're right. Even if Ghibli had somehow been left off the IMDB page by accident, nobody in the cast or crew is Asian, as one would expect from a Ghibli production. Checking the history, it's clear we inherited that from TVT at the fork, and given TVT's quality control was spotty at times, I feel absolutely safe in going ahead and deleting it from both the page and the Ghibli template. Thank you for finding that!

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I was the one who listed that work when I created the navbox for Studio Ghibli works... which means it came from either Wikipedia or Anime News Network. It looks like I picked up an error from one source or the other.