Don't change a Useful Notes page into a Creator page with a YMMV subpage nine times its size. If you actually have new content about Ohlmarks' other writing we can negotiate this, but what you just did was ... not acceptable.
-- Looney Toons, admin
CC: @Labster, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @Derivative, @SelfCloak, @GethN7
> If you actually have new content about Ohlmarks' other writing we can negotiate thisIf you actually have new content about Ohlmarks' other writing we can negotiate this
I don't understand what you mean by negotiate but I am of course happy to improve the article as is within my research abilities. I'm honestly surprised it was a controversial edit, I thought a literary person would get a creator page and an essay about aspects of one instance of their creative output would fit well as a subjective ('your mileage may vary') subpage. If I was completely wrongheaded about this, those edits can be reverted with no fear of hurting my feelings or anything [and I see now have been], I just want to understand.
The more I think about it, I come to the conclusion that there's an underlying problem which is that you don't trust me. This isn't a good situation to be in, not for you nor me, and neither the wiki; either I feel like every edit I make is just a chance for you to criticise me, or you feel like every edit I make comes with the danger of fucking something up. In any case, I think it would be better for me to spend my time and energies elsewhere. I still will have enjoyed not having to put up with wacky pmwiki markup, and admired others' projects, and I'll still recommend ATT to people such as through the Wikidata property, but I don't think I'll edit more. It's unfortunate that a couple of my personal projects are left unfinished, but either someone else can work on them if they want or they can be deleted (I saved text-file copies locally). I'm gonna log off now and I don't plan to ever log back in, but AFAIK the email forwarding probably still works if someone needs to get hold of me for any reason. Cheers.
Unfortunate that you're leaving, but I suppose I can't stop you. :/ I'll take up whatever projects you were planning to finish if you like.
Robkelk gave everyone including me a heads-up
Hello Arlo James Barnes!
We instituted moderation of posts as a result of the Great Miraheze Spam Flood that affected multiple wikis in December 2020. Most people's edits and image uploads will not appear immediately, the way that they would on Wikipedia... but, now, yours will - no more waiting for a moderator to approve your edits.
This is a privilege given for consistently good edits and being a Troper in good standing, not a right. Congratulations!
@Arlo James Barnes @Labster @Looney Toons @GethN7 @QuestionableSanity @Derivative @SelfCloak
Sorry to hear that there was a spam incident -- hopefully it has abated? Thank you for keeping us all in the loop and for your work as moderators.
slipped up, was given final warning.
Such as you just did with All The Tropes:REDIRECT. That namespace is reserved for the wiki staff alone to change.
If you think something should be created in the "All The Tropes" namespace, suggest it in a forum message or on a Mod's talk page. Don't do it yourself.
Edit: This, by the way, is the second time you have strayed into the project namespace to make your own personal additions to it. Do we need to be more explicit than we were six months ago? Don't do anything there. This is a formal warning, per All The Tropes:How We Do Bans Around Here: If you make any kind of edit in the All The Tropes namespace again, expect to see a temporary ban at the very least. Please acknowledge that you have read and understand this warning in this thread within 48 hours (by 10 PM EST on 7 December 2020) or you will receive an "attention-getter" tempban until you do.
-- Looney Toons, admin
CC: @Labster, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @Derivative, @SelfCloak, @GethN7
> Please acknowledge that you have read and understand this warning in this thread within 48 hours
Alright, acknowledged. I'll remember this time (and I am sincere that it was just a failure of memory; so I'll make it a postit on my monitor). Isn't Special:UserRights a tool that could be used here so that only staff can touch that namespace?
Actually, it's a bit more involved that that. But because of your wanderings into the project workspace I've already contacted the other mods about locking it down.
I should note that "I wasn't prevented from doing it" is no more an acceptable excuse than "they didn't lock their doors" is an excuse for burglary.
I familiarised myself with the basics of Flow.
Was reprimanded for freehanding the precursor to Revelation Space (franchise), which lead to markup errors ("In the future, when creating a work page...").
...please use the Page Creator tool and select the "Create Works Page" option. This will set you up with a skeleton page with all the necessary markup needed to make a proper Works page that looks and functions like an ATT page. Please do not start a page simply by adding a category to a blank page, and then dumping content into it. The result will be an orphan page with none of the functionality and features of a typical ATT page. (This is, in fact, good advice for creating any kind of page, as we have templates for every type of page you might want to create. And just as a heads-up, repeatedly creating pages without using the proper markup may result in tempbans until you get in the habit.)
You can find the Page Creator either at the link I just entered above, or in the menu on the left edge of every page, the first entry under the "Troping Utilities" section.
I have gone into and added all the missing code to your page for the Revelation Space franchise (which I have also moved to Revelation Space (franchise) to match our usual format for franchise pages). I have also created the corresponding category.
-- Looney Toons, admin
CC: @Labster, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @Derivative, @SelfCloak
Was blocked for two weeks, block expired, I returned and edited away from any administrative namespace (aside from one slipup six months later, which resulted in my final warning).
First, putting a statement of pre-emptive censorship on the Debbie Does Dallas/Source page is neither your right nor appreciated. If it happens that someone does populate that page, we the mods will deal with it appropriately. You don't get to sweep in and express your personal disapproval of the very idea as though it were a wiki policy. See the "Absolute Rules" section of our Content Guidelines page -- we've already got this covered, we don't really need your personal stamp of disapproval just to prove that we really mean it.
Second, while we're on the topic, you're not an admin, you don't get to change policy pages in the All The Tropes project namespace. We generally regard such edits as vandalism. Because of you, I'm now going to go through every policy page and make sure they're all protected from random vandalism and well-intentioned but unauthorized changes.
Third, your edits were clumsy and sloppy, with bare URLs and "examples" that were nothing more than links to categories here or on other wikis. Please consult our Style Guide and various page "how-to" guides (All The Tropes:Trope Workshop Guidelines, All The Tropes:Works Page Guidelines, All The Tropes:Creator Page Guidelines, All The Tropes:Uploading and Adding an Image to a Page) to get a better idea of what we expect from edits and editors. We are neither TVT nor are we Wikipedia, and we do things differently (sometimes very differently) from both.
Fourth, we do not link to TV Tropes. We don't care if they have an Interwiki prefix. The only TVT links that are permitted are a few left over from before the Fork which go to works hosted in the TVT forums or the rare other example. Some of the staff at TVT still go into frothing apoplexy at the very thought of our existence, and we don't want to stress the poor simple dears any more than they already are.
Finally, I have given you a two-week timeout from editing the wiki to read these and other help and documentation pages. You would probably have not received any ban at all if your very first edit hadn't been to a wiki policy page. Please see our page All The Tropes:How We Do Bans Around Here for the guidelines which led to this.
-- Looney Toons, admin
CC: @Labster, @GethN7, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @Derivative, @SelfCloak
Lessons from mods: Sections are sorted, but not examples within sections. Also, always give longform edit summaries, because
Not sure what "p&c" is supposed to mean...
... on your recent edit to White-Haired Pretty Girl, but honestly, it's not necessary to sort sections like that. The vast majority of pages have unsorted media sections, and frankly, because our standard contribution guidelines ask that new examples get added to the end of their sections (to make it easier for regular/repeat readers to find additions), they're just going to get out of order again. So thank you, but there's no reason to actually do that anywhere else.
acronymfinder.com suggests:
And some other meanings that probably have even less to do with tropes than those.
So... what does "p&c" stand for in this context?
Pepper&Carrot which is the work for the entry I added. I'll make my summary long-form and add the edit to the end next time (and feel free to revert my edit if that will cause trouble, I can reconstruct the non-disruptive parts of my edit later).
No worries. It's done now, just don't expect the section to stay sorted when other people add examples.
Yeah, what Rob said. Don't waste the effort in the future. Putting the sections themselves in alpha order, yes, that's necessary housekeeping still, sadly. But when we say "Examples Need Sorting", it's just into their media types, no further.
Robkelk explained that AKAs are redirects which helped me with P&C
If I understand what you're asking, that's called a redirect. Start a brand new blank page named after the alternate name, and type in #REDIRECT[[name]], replacing "name" with the name of the existing page, then save it off with only that text in the page.
But only do this when there actually are two different names for a trope or a work! If there's only one name, it's better to rename the existing page.
I see. Well, in this case, "Pepper&Carrot" is the One True Name; I moved Pepper & Carrot to Pepper&Carrot and category:Pepper & Carrot to category:Pepper&Carrot, leaving redirects at the old pages (which I see have been deleted, which seems for the best) for that reason. In contexts where an ampersand can't be printed or urlencoded, such as the comic's domain name or PMwiki's naming scheme, the & is either simply omitted or replaced with " and "; but this is not really an alternate name, just a technical matter of presentation. So if on Mediawiki-based tropes wikis such as ATT (Miraheze), ATT (Fandom) or TTW (Fandom) which can support the full name in their addresses, the redirects serve as true alternate names (not error-correctors/-collectors) then I'll leave it as is. Thanks.