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"Every first novel is the author either as Jesus or as Faust."

—Unknown, possibly Oscar Wilde.

Mary Sue is hardly limited to always being a goody two-shoes. This brand of Mary Sue decided to take the dark and evil path, kicking a few dogs and probably cackling about it in the process. Whether it be stealing the Cosmic Keystones out of the grasp of the heroes, effortlessly bringing about the ironic utopia of the other villain, or just generally acting like a cad, they absolutely love to be evil.

But anyway, this character pretty much shows up as an author's wish fulfillment to just be evil. Alternatively, in Fan Fiction, it might show up because the author favors the villain and wants a vicarious relationship with them. It might be a consequence of Evil Is Cool, taken to the logical extreme. Or, perhaps, the author just has a distaste for some (or all) of the protagonists and created the character to facilitate a Hate Fic, Fix Fic, or Revenge Fic. Either way, the same author favoritism and plot bias are now working for the forces of evil. It may also come about as an attempt to create a Magnificent Bastard or similar style of villain, only to go too far and become one of these.

As far as overlaps go, there are two major ones. Sympathetic Sue is an easy one where the intent is to show that the character just had a crappy enough life to be forced into villainy. With this overlap, they are more of a Villain Protagonist than an antagonist in most cases. Tends to show up most often in fanfiction. The other common overlap is the God Mode Sue, with a ridiculous power level, forcing the heroes to hold the Idiot Ball, and/or requiring Deus Ex Machina in order for the protagonists to stand a chance of defeating them. This is the type that generally shows up in Canon. It can overlap with other types, such as Jerk Sue, as well, but it never overlaps with Purity Sue (although they might become one after the Heel Face Turn, once the plot forgets everything evil about them).

Probably the rarest type of Sue, as Villains are always given great powers and abilities to make their inevitable downfall more sweet. A true Villain Sue will probably never have one, however, and even if he does it may be via Only the Author Can Save Them Now rather than any non-Ass Pull method.

Compare with Magnificent Bastard, God Mode Sue, and Generic Doomsday Villain.

No real life examples, please; this trope is a form of Wish Fulfillment, and not a reflection of how things actually work in the real world.

Examples of Villain Sue include:

Literature

The wizard Bayaz in The First Law keeps winning despite being such an awful person that someone should have stabbed him in the back by now.
- Glokta, a Villain Protagonist, can be seen as a mix of Villain Sue and Anti-Sue. He cannot control his bowels, but the plot loves giving him occasions to show off how brilliant and ruthless he is.
Spider-Verse was billed as a Crisis Crossover featuring tons of different versions of Spider-Man, most hyped of all being Japanese Spider-Man. What better way to squander this plot than make it about Slott's newly created overpowered vampire from Earth 0 Solus killing as many different Spider-Man incarnations as possible! Solus proceeds to kill (largely off screen or in single panel beatdowns), Japanese Spider-Man in his mech, House of M Spider-Man, Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends, Spider-Girl's father, Marvel vs. Capcom Spider-Man, and Delicious Fruit Pies Spider-Man (among many others) to show how cool they are. Is he cool yet?

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+[[Mary Sue]] is hardly limited to always being a goody two-shoes. This brand of Mary Sue decided to take the dark and evil path, [[Kick the Dog|kicking a few dogs]] and probably [[Evil Laugh|cackling about it]] in the process. Whether it be stealing the [[Cosmic Keystone]]s out of the grasp of the heroes, effortlessly bringing about the ironic utopia of the other villain, or just generally acting like a cad, they absolutely love to be evil.
-{{quote|''"Every first novel is the author either as [[The Bible|Jesus]] or as [[Faust]]."''|'''Unknown''', possibly '''[[Oscar Wilde]]'''.}}
-[[Mary Sue]] is hardly limited to always being a goody two-shoes. This brand of Mary Sue decided to take the dark and evil path, [[Kick the Dog|kicking a few dogs]] and probably [[Evil Laugh|cackling about it]] in the process. Whether it be stealing the [[Cosmic Keystone|Cosmic Keystones]] out of the grasp of the heroes, effortlessly bringing about the ironic utopia of the other villain, or just generally acting like a cad, they absolutely love to be evil.
 But anyway, this character pretty much shows up as an author's wish fulfillment to just be ''evil''. Alternatively, in [[Fan Fiction]], it might show up because the author [[Draco in Leather Pants|favors the villain]] and wants a vicarious relationship with them. It might be a consequence of [[Evil Is Cool]], taken to the logical extreme. Or, perhaps, the author just has a distaste for some (or all) of the protagonists and created the character to facilitate a [[Hate Fic]], [[Fix Fic]], or [[Revenge Fic]]. Either way, the same author favoritism and plot bias are now working for the forces of evil. It may also come about as an attempt to create a [[Magnificent Bastard]] or similar style of villain, only to go too far and become one of these.
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 As far as overlaps go, there are two major ones. [[Sympathetic Sue]] is an easy one where the intent is to show that the character [[Freudian Excuse|just had a crappy enough life to be forced into villainy]]. With this overlap, they are more of a [[Villain Protagonist]] than an antagonist in most cases. Tends to show up most often in fanfiction. The other common overlap is the [[God Mode Sue]], with a [[Superpower Lottery|ridiculous power level]], forcing the heroes to hold the [[Idiot Ball]], and/or requiring [[Deus Ex Machina]] in order for the protagonists to stand a chance of defeating them. This is the type that generally shows up in [[Canon]]. It can overlap with other types, such as [[Jerk Sue]], as well, but it ''never'' overlaps with [[Purity Sue]] (although they might become one after the [[Heel Face Turn]], once the plot [[Karma Houdini|forgets everything evil about them]]).
-Probably the rarest type of Sue, as Villains are always given great powers and abilities to make their inevitable downfall more sweet. A true [[Villain Sue]] will probably [[Karma Houdini|never have one]], however, and even if he does it may be via [[Only the Author Can Save Them Now]] rather than any non-[[Ass Pull]] method. [[Captain Obvious|Obviously]], as an element of [[Wish Fulfillment]], there are no [[Real Life]] examples to speak of.
+Probably the rarest type of Sue, as Villains are always given great powers and abilities to make their inevitable downfall more sweet. A true '''Villain Sue''' will probably [[Karma Houdini|never have one]], however, and even if he does it may be via [[Only the Author Can Save Them Now]] rather than any non-[[Ass Pull]] method.
 Compare with [[Magnificent Bastard]], [[God Mode Sue]], and [[Generic Doomsday Villain]].
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+* The [[The Chessmaster|wizard Bayaz]] in ''[[The First Law]]'' keeps winning despite being such an awful person that someone should have stabbed him in the back by now.
+** Glokta, a [[Villain Protagonist]], can be seen as a mix of Villain Sue and [[Anti-Sue]]. He cannot control his bowels, but the plot loves giving him occasions to show off how brilliant and ruthless he is.
+* Spider-Verse was billed as a [[Crisis Crossover]] featuring tons of different versions of [[Spider-Man]], most hyped of all being [[Japanese Spider-Man]]. What better way to [[They Wasted A Perfectly Good Plot|squander this plot]] than make it about Slott's newly created overpowered vampire from Earth 0 Solus killing as many different Spider-Man incarnations as possible! Solus proceeds to kill (largely off screen or in single panel beatdowns), Japanese Spider-Man ''in his mech'', ''[[House of M]]'' Spider-Man, ''[[Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends]]'', [[Spider-Girl]]'s father, ''[[Marvel vs. Capcom]]'' Spider-Man, ''and'' [[Delicious Fruit Pies]] Spider-Man (among many others) to show how cool they are. [[Sarcasm Mode|Is he cool yet?]]
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 [[Category:Mary Sue Tropes]]
-[[Category:Home Page/YMMV]]
 [[Category:Bad Writing Index]]
 [[Category:YMMV Trope]]
 [[Category:Villains]]
 [[Category:Villain Sue]]
+[[Category:Hentai Tropes]]