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*[[Abandon Shipping]]: Some people are so tired of Marinette/Ladybug and Adrien/Chat's constant back and fourth, they've just given up on waiting for them. Chat Blanc, Ephemeral, and the love square switching has convinced some to stay however some are done all together.
*[[Abandon Shipping]]: Some people are so tired of Marinette/Ladybug and Adrien/Chat's constant back and fourth, they've just given up on waiting for them. Chat Blanc, Ephemeral, and the love square switching has convinced some to stay however some are done all together.
**If we're being specific; Adrienette lost viewers due to Marinette's becoming more and [[Stalker with a Crush|more stalkerish]] as the third season went, LadyNoir was abandoned either due to Chat Noir's [[Entitled to Have You]] tendencies or Ladybug becoming more harsh towards Chat as well as keeping him out of the loop regarding her being a Guardian, and Ladrien due to not getting any scenes as of late. Only MariChat seems to have gotten away mostly unscathed, having gotten some good development.
**If we're being specific; Adrienette lost viewers due to Marinette's becoming more and [[Stalker with a Crush|more stalkerish]] as the third season went and/or how Adrien acted (at first) during the Lila episodes, LadyNoir was abandoned either due to Chat Noir's [[Entitled to Have You]] tendencies or Ladybug becoming more harsh towards Chat as well as keeping him out of the loop regarding her being a Guardian, and Ladrien due to not getting any scenes as of late. Only MariChat seems to have gotten away mostly unscathed, having gotten some good development.
**Adrien/Kagami lost shippers when it was shown Adrien kept lying to her (some with good reason, but still) and Kagami didn't like him being goofy (i.e being like Chat Noir, who is implied to be his real self).
**Adrien/Kagami lost shippers when it was shown Adrien kept lying to her (some with good reason, but still) and Kagami didn't like him being goofy (i.e being like Chat Noir, who is implied to be his real self).
*[[Alternative Character Interpretation]]: Did Stormy Weather know the ice capsule had sharp icicles descending on Alya and Manon or was that something that was out of her control?
*[[Alternative Character Interpretation]]: Did Stormy Weather know the ice capsule had sharp icicles descending on Alya and Manon or was that something that was out of her control?
**And before then, did Alec pod Aurore with the fact Mireille winning [[Kick the Dog|just to be an asshole]] or is he that [[Innocently Insensitive]]?
*[[Base Breaker]]: To her fans, Marinette is seen as a sweet angelic being who deserves the world. To her detractors, she is [[Stalker with a Crush|stalkerish]] [[Designated Hero|designated hero]] who is creepy towards her crush and mean towards anyone she sees as an obstacle to her getting with Adrien. Her stepping away from her fangirl tendencies and befriending Kagami has [[Rescued from the Scrappy Heap|gotten her some fans]], however some still don't like her either because they can't let go of her past actions or that she still shows Designated Hero tendencies occasionally. Some fans just don't like how the show treats her actions as justifiable or how her fans treat anyone who treats her with a tiny bit of animosity gets a glut of [[Revenge Fic|Revenge fics]] made about them.
*[[Base Breaker]]: To her fans, Marinette is seen as a sweet angelic being who deserves the world. To her detractors, she is [[Stalker with a Crush|stalkerish]] [[Designated Hero|designated hero]] who is creepy towards her crush and mean towards anyone she sees as an obstacle to her getting with Adrien. Her stepping away from her fangirl tendencies and befriending Kagami has [[Rescued from the Scrappy Heap|gotten her some fans]], however some still don't like her either because they can't let go of her past actions or that she still shows Designated Hero tendencies occasionally. Some fans just don't like how the show treats her actions as justifiable or how her fans treat anyone who treats her with a tiny bit of animosity gets a glut of [[Revenge Fic|Revenge fics]] made about them.
**Ladybug, awesome badass hero or a huge [[Hypocrite|hypocritical]] control freak that's rude and dismissive towards to her partner?
**Ladybug, awesome badass hero or a huge [[Hypocrite|hypocritical]] control freak that's rude and dismissive towards to her partner?
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*[[Fanon]]: Ladybug's akumatized form, she was initially called Miss Fortune, though it has changed to Princess Justice per her and her mother, Sabine, almost getting akumatized. Though both have been used together, Miss Fortune for Ladybug and Princess Justice for Marinette.
*[[Fanon]]: Ladybug's akumatized form, she was initially called Miss Fortune, though it has changed to Princess Justice per her and her mother, Sabine, almost getting akumatized. Though both have been used together, Miss Fortune for Ladybug and Princess Justice for Marinette.
**You'll see more fics depicting Felix as Adrien's older brother than cousin.
**You'll see more fics depicting Felix as Adrien's older brother than cousin.
**Alec is Manon's father. The evidence is he's the only other TV personality on the show, that, like [[Ambiguously Brown|Manon]], is dark-skinned and he and Nadja do seem to be on good terms.
*[[Never Live It Down]]: Chloé undergoing [[Flanderization]] in the season 3 finale is this to her stans.
*[[Never Live It Down]]: Chloé undergoing [[Flanderization]] in the season 3 finale is this to her stans.
**For his detractors, anytime Adrien is too oblivious to Marinette's feelings and [[Entitled to Have You|Chat Noir]] makes Ladybug uncomfortable/annoyed.
**For his detractors, anytime Adrien is too oblivious to Marinette's feelings and [[Entitled to Have You|Chat Noir]] makes Ladybug uncomfortable/annoyed.
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*[[Replacement Scrappy]]: Zoé for Chloé fans, though non-fans of her also think of Zoé as this. The fact she gets this in the same episode she's introduced, complete with [[Character Shilling]], doesn't put her in the best light for some fans.
*[[Replacement Scrappy]]: Zoé for Chloé fans, though non-fans of her also think of Zoé as this. The fact she gets this in the same episode she's introduced, complete with [[Character Shilling]], doesn't put her in the best light for some fans.
**This became even worse for Zoé when {{Spoiler|Plagg chose her to become a temporary Cat miraculous holder.}} While Tikki {{Spoiler|choosing Alya}} makes sense since she's Marinette's best friend {{Spoiler|and knows that she's Ladybug}}, outside of her getting [[Character Shilling]] from him, he has no reason to do this. People feel he should've pick a different character like [[They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character|Nino]].
**This became even worse for Zoé when {{Spoiler|Plagg chose her to become a temporary Cat miraculous holder.}} While Tikki {{Spoiler|choosing Alya}} makes sense since she's Marinette's best friend {{Spoiler|and knows that she's Ladybug}}, outside of her getting [[Character Shilling]] from him, he has no reason to do this. People feel he should've pick a different character like [[They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character|Nino]].
**[[Ron the Death Eater]]: Adrien/Chat has gotten this from people getting annoyed of Chat acting like he was entitled to Ladybug's feelings and Adrien wanting to take the high ground in a lot of situations.
*[[Ron the Death Eater]]: Adrien/Chat has gotten this from people getting annoyed of Chat acting like he was entitled to Ladybug's feelings and Adrien wanting to take the high ground in a lot of situations.
***Marinette/Ladybug has gotten this for being creepy towards Adrien, mean/condescending towards her rivals (Chloé and Kagami) and mean to Chat Noir.
**Marinette/Ladybug has gotten this for being creepy towards Adrien, mean/condescending towards her rivals (Chloé and Kagami) and mean to Chat Noir.
***Majority or all of Ms. Bustier's class for believing Lila's lies over Marinette has made fic writers write up a bunch of revenge fics.
**Majority or all of Ms. Bustier's class for believing Lila's lies over Marinette has made fic writers write up a bunch of revenge fics.
**[[Sacred Cow]]: Mylene/Ivan.
*[[Sacred Cow]]: Mylene/Ivan.
***Nathaniel/Marc.
**Nathaniel/Marc.
**[[Ship Mates]]: The Love Square goes hand in hand with [[Token Minority Couple|Nino/Alya]].
*[[Ship Mates]]: The Love Square goes hand in hand with [[Token Minority Couple|Nino/Alya]].
***Luka/Adrien with Marinette/Kagami or Kagami/Chloé.
**Luka/Adrien with Marinette/Kagami or Kagami/Chloé.
**Felix/Kagami with Chloe/Luka.
*[[Ships That Pass in the Night]]: Due to both being self-relying villains, people have paired up Felix and Lila up.
*[[Ships That Pass in the Night]]: Due to both being self-relying villains, people have paired up Felix and Lila up.
**Despite not meeting, there's also Felix/Socqueline, due to the latter's resemblance to [[Fan Nickname|'Bridgette']] (Marinette in the original PV).
**Despite not meeting, there's also Felix/Socqueline, due to the latter's resemblance to [[Fan Nickname|'Bridgette']] (Marinette in the original PV).

Revision as of 16:42, 9 July 2023


These things about Miraculous Ladybug are subjective - not everyone will agree with all of them.

  • Abandon Shipping: Some people are so tired of Marinette/Ladybug and Adrien/Chat's constant back and fourth, they've just given up on waiting for them. Chat Blanc, Ephemeral, and the love square switching has convinced some to stay however some are done all together.
    • If we're being specific; Adrienette lost viewers due to Marinette's becoming more and more stalkerish as the third season went and/or how Adrien acted (at first) during the Lila episodes, LadyNoir was abandoned either due to Chat Noir's Entitled to Have You tendencies or Ladybug becoming more harsh towards Chat as well as keeping him out of the loop regarding her being a Guardian, and Ladrien due to not getting any scenes as of late. Only MariChat seems to have gotten away mostly unscathed, having gotten some good development.
    • Adrien/Kagami lost shippers when it was shown Adrien kept lying to her (some with good reason, but still) and Kagami didn't like him being goofy (i.e being like Chat Noir, who is implied to be his real self).
  • Alternative Character Interpretation: Did Stormy Weather know the ice capsule had sharp icicles descending on Alya and Manon or was that something that was out of her control?
  • Base Breaker: To her fans, Marinette is seen as a sweet angelic being who deserves the world. To her detractors, she is stalkerish designated hero who is creepy towards her crush and mean towards anyone she sees as an obstacle to her getting with Adrien. Her stepping away from her fangirl tendencies and befriending Kagami has gotten her some fans, however some still don't like her either because they can't let go of her past actions or that she still shows Designated Hero tendencies occasionally. Some fans just don't like how the show treats her actions as justifiable or how her fans treat anyone who treats her with a tiny bit of animosity gets a glut of Revenge fics made about them.
    • Ladybug, awesome badass hero or a huge hypocritical control freak that's rude and dismissive towards to her partner?
    • Adrien is either seen as a poor precious woobie who needs to get out of Gabriel's harsh grip quickly or a dense oblivious pansy who's blind to see Ladybug and Marinette aren't the same person. Adrien breaking away from Lila and him seemingly falling in love with Marinette has gained him some fans. Yet his detractors are adamant about never letting down his weaker points.
    • Chat Noir, goofy yet adorable prankster that just wants to Ladybug to love him or a gross entitled sexual harasser? The latter opinions has calmed down since he seemingly fell out of love with her, though like Marinette/Ladybug and his civilian self, this is ignored by his detractors.
    • Chloe Bourgeois. A traitorous petty bully who was cruel to almost everyone around her and was rightfully removed from the team or a poor girl who never got love from her mother, so she lashed out but was mistreated by Ladybug and was wrongfully replaced by her own sister. The latter half hated her redemption arc getting removed.
    • Zoe Lee. Her fans say she's a sweet girl who's done nothing wrong. However, her detractors say that that's the problem and she's a bland boring girl who was introduced to make Chloe look worse and that's not to mention the unnecessary shilling she gets. Even some non-Chloe fans agree with the latter half, thinking she was just there to get the Bee Miraculous and nothing else.
  • Crossover Ship: MariBat/Ladybat/Daminette (Damian Wayne/Marinette)
  • Die For Your Ship: Both Luka and Kagami as soon as they were revealed to be interested in Adrien and Marinette.
    • Nathaniel and Chloé early on, though it has since faded. The former once Marc (his implied love interest) and Luka (Marinette's actual second love interest) were introduced, the latter once the show stopped treating Chloé as a threat for Adrien's love and Kagami (Adrien's actual second love interest) was introduced.
  • Fan Nickname: 'Bridgette' for Marinette in the original PV.
    • Socqueline has been named 'canon Bridgette' due to her resemblance to her.
  • Fanfic Fuel: Chloé getting a full fledged redemption arc.
    • We've seen canon!Felix, what would canon!Bridgette be like? Assuming you don't think she and Marinette or Socqueline are the same character.
  • Fanon: Ladybug's akumatized form, she was initially called Miss Fortune, though it has changed to Princess Justice per her and her mother, Sabine, almost getting akumatized. Though both have been used together, Miss Fortune for Ladybug and Princess Justice for Marinette.
    • You'll see more fics depicting Felix as Adrien's older brother than cousin.
    • Alec is Manon's father. The evidence is he's the only other TV personality on the show, that, like Manon, is dark-skinned and he and Nadja do seem to be on good terms.
  • Never Live It Down: Chloé undergoing Flanderization in the season 3 finale is this to her stans.
    • For his detractors, anytime Adrien is too oblivious to Marinette's feelings and Chat Noir makes Ladybug uncomfortable/annoyed.
    • For her detractors, anytime Marinette is being creepy towards Adrien or Ladybug is rude to Chat Noir.
    • The whole class during any Lila episode will get a glut of revenge fics thrown at them.
  • No Yay: Unless you use his Jerk With A Heart of Gold or tons of Fanon Discontinuity, Felix/Marinette is seen as this.
    • To some, the Love Square is seen as this whether because Chat is flirting often goes unrequited or Marinette's crush on Adrien becomes creepy at some points. 'Chat Blanc' and the love square recently reversing has convinced some to stay and gained back some shippers. Though for some, this just reminded people of the Arc Fatigue and made some people done with the ship for good.
  • Replacement Scrappy: Zoé for Chloé fans, though non-fans of her also think of Zoé as this. The fact she gets this in the same episode she's introduced, complete with Character Shilling, doesn't put her in the best light for some fans.
    • This became even worse for Zoé when Plagg chose her to become a temporary Cat miraculous holder. While Tikki choosing Alya makes sense since she's Marinette's best friend and knows that she's Ladybug, outside of her getting Character Shilling from him, he has no reason to do this. People feel he should've pick a different character like Nino.
  • Ron the Death Eater: Adrien/Chat has gotten this from people getting annoyed of Chat acting like he was entitled to Ladybug's feelings and Adrien wanting to take the high ground in a lot of situations.
    • Marinette/Ladybug has gotten this for being creepy towards Adrien, mean/condescending towards her rivals (Chloé and Kagami) and mean to Chat Noir.
    • Majority or all of Ms. Bustier's class for believing Lila's lies over Marinette has made fic writers write up a bunch of revenge fics.
  • Sacred Cow: Mylene/Ivan.
    • Nathaniel/Marc.
  • Ship Mates: The Love Square goes hand in hand with Nino/Alya.
    • Luka/Adrien with Marinette/Kagami or Kagami/Chloé.
    • Felix/Kagami with Chloe/Luka.
  • Ships That Pass in the Night: Due to both being self-relying villains, people have paired up Felix and Lila up.
    • Despite not meeting, there's also Felix/Socqueline, due to the latter's resemblance to 'Bridgette' (Marinette in the original PV).