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* [[Alas Poor Villain]]: {{spoiler|Odin, Wagner, and Ingway.}}
* [[Alas, Poor Villain]]: {{spoiler|Odin, Wagner, and Ingway.}}
* [[Complete Monster]]: Lord Brigan, Melvin, and arguably King Valentine as well (in his case, it really depends on how forgiving you are of his horrific actions, taking into account his sad backstory.)
* [[Complete Monster]]: Lord Brigan, Melvin, and arguably King Valentine as well (in his case, it really depends on how forgiving you are of his horrific actions, taking into account his sad backstory.)
** The Three Wise Men. If you're willing to hasten the world's destruction just to obtain power through a shoddy interpretation of an endtime prophecy... yeah.
** The Three Wise Men. If you're willing to hasten the world's destruction just to obtain power through a shoddy interpretation of an endtime prophecy... yeah.
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** [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IvTzRSE7Og&hd=1 Shanachie's Version of the Main Theme]
** [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IvTzRSE7Og&hd=1 Shanachie's Version of the Main Theme]
* [[Demonic Spiders]]: The Wizard enemies in [[Scrappy Level|Titania Capital]], who combine [[Standard Status Effects]] and their ability to [[Mook Maker|summon more Mooks]] with [[Teleport Spam]] that effectively prevents you from hitting them more than once at a time. The "proper" way to combat a Wizard is to deflect one of their swords back at them to stun them -- but the game [[Guide Dang It|doesn't actually tell you this]] until you fight Beldor (a boss-caliber Wizard, wielding the same attacks cranked [[Up to Eleven]]), long after you've either figured it out for yourself or died trying.
* [[Demonic Spiders]]: The Wizard enemies in [[Scrappy Level|Titania Capital]], who combine [[Standard Status Effects]] and their ability to [[Mook Maker|summon more Mooks]] with [[Teleport Spam]] that effectively prevents you from hitting them more than once at a time. The "proper" way to combat a Wizard is to deflect one of their swords back at them to stun them -- but the game [[Guide Dang It|doesn't actually tell you this]] until you fight Beldor (a boss-caliber Wizard, wielding the same attacks cranked [[Up to Eleven]]), long after you've either figured it out for yourself or died trying.
** The sheer amount of trouble they cause Cornelius makes it all the sweeter when Mercedes storms the capital and can [[One Hit Kill]] [[There Is No Kill Like Overkill|entire waves of Wizards]] using her "[[Wave Motion Gun|Piercing Shot]]" [[Special Attack]].
** The sheer amount of trouble they cause Cornelius makes it all the sweeter when Mercedes storms the capital and can [[One-Hit Kill]] [[There Is No Kill Like Overkill|entire waves of Wizards]] using her "[[Wave Motion Gun|Piercing Shot]]" [[Special Attack]].
** Any enemy with a stomping attack is usually this. Bonus points to the guards in Titania (a.k.a. the [[Ass Kicks You|"Butt Brigade")]] for appearing alongside the aforementioned Beldor boss fight.
** Any enemy with a stomping attack is usually this. Bonus points to the guards in Titania (a.k.a. the [[Ass Kicks You|"Butt Brigade")]] for appearing alongside the aforementioned Beldor boss fight.
* [[Designated Villain]]: Odette. On the one hand, she's [[Jerkass|a massive bitch]]. On the other hand, all she really does in-game is try to enforce death's finality. She has even less ambition than [[Big Good|Elfaria]] and, aside from [[Magically Binding Contract|Oswald's case]], wouldn't come into conflict with the heroes at all had they simply stayed in the land of the living.
* [[Designated Villain]]: Odette. On the one hand, she's [[Jerkass|a massive bitch]]. On the other hand, all she really does in-game is try to enforce death's finality. She has even less ambition than [[Big Good|Elfaria]] and, aside from [[Magically Binding Contract|Oswald's case]], wouldn't come into conflict with the heroes at all had they simply stayed in the land of the living.
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* [[That One Level]] Titania Capital,''for every characters''.'''Oh God Titania'''...This level tend to come with some of the worst [[Goddamn Bats]] and [[Demonic Spiders]] in the game.It's pretty much quasi-impossible to beat without very good preparation
* [[That One Level]] Titania Capital,''for every characters''.'''Oh God Titania'''...This level tend to come with some of the worst [[Goddamn Bats]] and [[Demonic Spiders]] in the game.It's pretty much quasi-impossible to beat without very good preparation
* [[The Woobie]]: Each of the PCs get at least a little bit of this in their characterization, especially Mercedes. On the NPC side of things, there's Myris.
* [[The Woobie]]: Each of the PCs get at least a little bit of this in their characterization, especially Mercedes. On the NPC side of things, there's Myris.
* [[Woobie Destroyer of Worlds]]: {{spoiler|King Valentine. Yes, he's a completely batshit skeleton rabbit who killed his own daughter in jealousy, but the way he's portrayed as being absolutely psychologically ''destroyed'' by the act can't help but garner some sympathy for the poor bastard. Not to mention that it's implied that his insanity is the result of an accident when trying to bless his people with prosperity and happiness.}}
* [[Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds]]: {{spoiler|King Valentine. Yes, he's a completely batshit skeleton rabbit who killed his own daughter in jealousy, but the way he's portrayed as being absolutely psychologically ''destroyed'' by the act can't help but garner some sympathy for the poor bastard. Not to mention that it's implied that his insanity is the result of an accident when trying to bless his people with prosperity and happiness.}}
* [[Woolseyism]]: Averted, oddly enough for Atlus. The game was a strange case where the seemingly Shakespearean dialogue was almost entirely the result of [[Lucky Translation|direct translations]] rather than adjustments. In fact straying from the original script was what made for awkward, toned down parts such as Mercedes's [[Rousing Speech]]. This might make it an [[Inverted Trope|Inversion]].
* [[Woolseyism]]: Averted, oddly enough for Atlus. The game was a strange case where the seemingly Shakespearean dialogue was almost entirely the result of [[Lucky Translation|direct translations]] rather than adjustments. In fact straying from the original script was what made for awkward, toned down parts such as Mercedes's [[Rousing Speech]]. This might make it an [[Inverted Trope|Inversion]].



Revision as of 09:07, 9 January 2014


  • Alas, Poor Villain: Odin, Wagner, and Ingway.
  • Complete Monster: Lord Brigan, Melvin, and arguably King Valentine as well (in his case, it really depends on how forgiving you are of his horrific actions, taking into account his sad backstory.)
    • The Three Wise Men. If you're willing to hasten the world's destruction just to obtain power through a shoddy interpretation of an endtime prophecy... yeah.
  • Crowning Music of Awesome: Music by Basiscape.
  • Demonic Spiders: The Wizard enemies in Titania Capital, who combine Standard Status Effects and their ability to summon more Mooks with Teleport Spam that effectively prevents you from hitting them more than once at a time. The "proper" way to combat a Wizard is to deflect one of their swords back at them to stun them -- but the game doesn't actually tell you this until you fight Beldor (a boss-caliber Wizard, wielding the same attacks cranked Up to Eleven), long after you've either figured it out for yourself or died trying.
  • Designated Villain: Odette. On the one hand, she's a massive bitch. On the other hand, all she really does in-game is try to enforce death's finality. She has even less ambition than Elfaria and, aside from Oswald's case, wouldn't come into conflict with the heroes at all had they simply stayed in the land of the living.
  • Draco in Leather Pants: Ingway. Here we have a guy who let his sister get beaten and punished in his place and cursed all his country's residents for a painful eternity. Rather than atone, he blames his parents for everything and continues the tradition of making his sister miserable for years, not even hesitating to eternally curse and emotionally torment her lover. He eventually brings a different curse down on himself, but only for selfish reasons that endanger the entire world. With Odette gone at that point, he even dodges the full scale of its downsides. It's a good thing he's pretty.
  • Ending Fatigue: Actually more like Game Fatigue. How many times are you willing to go through the same exact zones? How many times can you stomach fighting the same exact boss who has the same exact tactics? How many times are you willing to have the same story retold to you but through a different perspective? How many times can you put up with building a character up to a complete god but are reduced to less than a peon and have to start over because you're on the next chapter?
    • The answer, my friend, if you play the whole game through, is five times each. Enjoy.
  • Freud Was Right: Without his huge flail Odin's powerless... wait a minute...
  • Game Breaker: The Adversity Ring is far and away the most powerful accessory in the game, capable of giving your characters a MASSIVE damage boost when their HP is low. Especialy considering it STACKS with the Overload spell.
  • Goddamned Bats: The fireball and ice crystal enemies tend to pop up at the worst possible times during certain boss battles. And let's not get started on the animal ghosts in the underworld. Be sure to use Blizzard Potions!
    • How about those flying eyeball enemies with the stun ray attacks? A tough boss fight is turned BRUTAL by those guys.
    • Forget all that. The kings (er... queens) of this are the damn fairies, whenever you're fighting against Ringford - flying, almost impossible to hit, and they fully heal whatever you're fighting. When you fight a boss that has fairies supporting it, you want to throw something straight through your TV.
  • Jerkass Woobie: Ingway.
  • Magnificent Bastard: Ingway, who manipulates with style, even as a frog!
  • Moe: Mercedes
    • Gwendolyn has some moe traits as well.
  • Nightmare Fuel: King Gallon. And fighting the guy for five hours does not make it easier. The Netherworld also plays on lingering childhood fears of the dark, and is a generally creepy and depressing place.
    • It doesn't help that during the fight with Gallon, you can see Titania literally crumble and sink into the ocean piece by piece in the background.
  • Player Punch: To get Hundred Percent Completion, the player needs to unlock every cutscene. This means intentionally choosing the wrong order in the Final Book and watching the Bad Ending at least three times. If Myris's sobbing while the world collapses and the oceans are rising to kill her while asking why someone would choose this horrible fate doesn't hit you hard, then you must have dropped your soul somewhere.
    • And then you realize that the same thing happened to Myris in the good ending, too. Hopefully, she learns that the four survived when she gets to heaven... that is, after Cornelius and Velvet finally break the Pooka curse, thus allowing dead Pooka to finally move on after spending a really long time in undead hell.
    • Sending Mercedes to fight the beast of Darkova in the Armageddon book is guaranteed to make you feel like an asshole. Her fate in the good ending isn't much better, either.
  • Tear Jerker: The good endings are painfully bittersweet. The bad ones are even worse and usually without the sweet.
  • That One Attack: Onyx's inferno charge can cross the entire arena (twice) and leaves a field of damaging flames in its wake; in addition, Oswald can't jump high enough to clear it. Heaven help you if Onyx decides to spam it.
    • However, if he's charging at you and you jump, he will jump as well. Time it correctly, and he'll soar right over you.
      • And any of the midbosses' jumping attacks, which inflict severe damage and may also "Dizzy" the player.
  • That One Boss: Another proud Atlus tradition.
    • Two words: KING. GALLON.
    • Any time the player squares off against the Three Wise Men, a boss-caliber Palette Swap of Titania's resident Demonic Spiders with the same Teleport Spam and attack methods (but channeled Up to Eleven). And that's not counting who they bring in to accompany them: Mercedes has to contend with two midbosses with An Axe to Grind and Death From Above jumping attacks; Oswald has to deal with three midbosses (minus the jumping attacks, very fortunately); and Velvet has to stare down a freaking dragon, all while fighting their respective Wise Man.
    • To a lesser extent, any time you're required to take down two Unicorn Knights or Berserkers.
    • As well as the sheer amount of lag when fighting Odette, Queen of the Dead, forcing much of the battle to proceed at an insufferable crawl, and that's not including when she knocks you across the room to start healing herself.
  • That One Level Titania Capital,for every characters.Oh God Titania...This level tend to come with some of the worst Goddamn Bats and Demonic Spiders in the game.It's pretty much quasi-impossible to beat without very good preparation
  • The Woobie: Each of the PCs get at least a little bit of this in their characterization, especially Mercedes. On the NPC side of things, there's Myris.
  • Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds: King Valentine. Yes, he's a completely batshit skeleton rabbit who killed his own daughter in jealousy, but the way he's portrayed as being absolutely psychologically destroyed by the act can't help but garner some sympathy for the poor bastard. Not to mention that it's implied that his insanity is the result of an accident when trying to bless his people with prosperity and happiness.
  • Woolseyism: Averted, oddly enough for Atlus. The game was a strange case where the seemingly Shakespearean dialogue was almost entirely the result of direct translations rather than adjustments. In fact straying from the original script was what made for awkward, toned down parts such as Mercedes's Rousing Speech. This might make it an Inversion.