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{{quote|'''Agent J''': ''[pointing at Agent K]'' Old and busted.
{{quote|'''Agent J''': ''[pointing at Agent K]'' Old and busted.
'''Agent J''': ''[pointing at himself]'' New hotness.|''[[Men in Black (film)|Men in Black]] 2''}}
'''Agent J''': ''[pointing at himself]'' New hotness.
|''[[Men in Black (film)|Men in Black]] 2''}}


A constellation of two cops or detectives, an older one and a younger one. Inevitably, the older one becomes some kind of father figure to the other. In addition to that, they are often presented as very different from each other, which may or may not result in conflict between them. Maybe the older one is experienced while the younger one is new to the job. Maybe the younger one is emotional and short-tempered while the older one is more like [[The Stoic]]. Maybe the younger one is idealistic while the older one tends more towards cynicism. Maybe it's a case of [[Red Oni, Blue Oni]]. Maybe the older one is a [[Agent Scully|rationalist]] while the younger one tends towards more intuitive methods of investigation - or maybe the other way round. If they appear in a crime or mystery setting (and they are very unlikely to be seen elsewhere), expect them to be the main characters. Also, expect at least one of them to be personally involved in the case in one way or the other.
A constellation of two cops or detectives, an older one and a younger one. Inevitably, the older one becomes some kind of father figure to the other. In addition to that, they are often presented as very different from each other, which may or may not result in conflict between them. Maybe the older one is experienced while the younger one is new to the job. Maybe the younger one is emotional and short-tempered while the older one is more like [[The Stoic]]. Maybe the younger one is idealistic while the older one tends more towards cynicism. Maybe it's a case of [[Red Oni, Blue Oni]]. Maybe the older one is a [[Agent Scully|rationalist]] while the younger one tends towards more intuitive methods of investigation - or maybe the other way round. If they appear in a crime or mystery setting (and they are very unlikely to be seen elsewhere), expect them to be the main characters. Also, expect at least one of them to be personally involved in the case in one way or the other.
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==Anime and Manga==
== [[Anime]] and [[Manga]] ==
* Ikari and Maniwa from ''[[Paranoia Agent]]''.
* Ikari and Maniwa from ''[[Paranoia Agent]]''.
* Soichiro Yagami and Touta Matsuda from ''[[Death Note]]'', at least at the beginning of the series.
* Soichiro Yagami and Touta Matsuda from ''[[Death Note]]'', at least at the beginning of the series.
* ''[[Tiger and Bunny]]'' does this with a slight alteration: instead of cops, they're ''[[Corporate-Sponsored Superhero|superheroes]]''
* ''[[Tiger and Bunny]]'' does this with a slight alteration: instead of cops, they're ''[[Corporate-Sponsored Superhero|superheroes]]''


==Comic Books==
== [[Comic Books]] ==
* Sideswipe and Cheetor in Fun Publications' "The Stunti-Con Job", which is in-continuity with ''[[Transformers Animated]]''.
* Sideswipe and Cheetor in Fun Publications' "The Stunti-Con Job", which is in-continuity with ''[[Transformers Animated]]''.


==Film==
== [[Film]] ==
* Somerset and Mills from ''[[Se7en]]'': Former [[Trope Namer]].
* Somerset and Mills from ''[[Se7en]]'': Former [[Trope Namer]].
* Connor, the "senpai" ([[Sean Connery]]) and Smith, the "kohai" (Wesley Snipes) in ''Rising Sun''.
* Connor, the "senpai" ([[Sean Connery]]) and Smith, the "kohai" (Wesley Snipes) in ''Rising Sun''.
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* Anderson and Ward, ''[[Mississippi Burning]]''.
* Anderson and Ward, ''[[Mississippi Burning]]''.


==Literature==
== [[Literature]] ==
* Goodman and Muldoon from R.A. Wilson's ''[[Illuminatus]]'' trilogy.
* Goodman and Muldoon from R.A. Wilson's ''[[Illuminatus]]'' trilogy.
* ''[[Felidae]]'': Pascal and Francis. {{spoiler|Subverted ''hard''. At the beginning they seem to fit this trope, but at the end it turns out that Pascal is actually the killer and helps Francis only because he wants to [[Passing the Torch|pass the torch]] to him}}.
* ''[[Felidae]]'': Pascal and Francis. {{spoiler|Subverted ''hard''. At the beginning they seem to fit this trope, but at the end it turns out that Pascal is actually the killer and helps Francis only because he wants to [[Passing the Torch|pass the torch]] to him}}.
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* Tony Hillerman's mysteries set on the [[The Rez|Navajo reservation]] feature Joe Leaphorn (older, world-weary, atheistic) and Jim Chee (younger, more idealistic, a practicing shaman).
* Tony Hillerman's mysteries set on the [[The Rez|Navajo reservation]] feature Joe Leaphorn (older, world-weary, atheistic) and Jim Chee (younger, more idealistic, a practicing shaman).
* Occurs in ''[[Rivers of London]]'' with DCI Nightingale (since he is over 100 years old) being the old, refined, gentleman cop, and DC Grant as the wet behind the ears, yet inexplicably smart, sarky, and mouthy new cop.
* Occurs in ''[[Rivers of London]]'' with DCI Nightingale (since he is over 100 years old) being the old, refined, gentleman cop, and DC Grant as the wet behind the ears, yet inexplicably smart, sarky, and mouthy new cop.
* World-weary veteran DI [[Rebus]] spends most of the series partnered with the younger DC (later DS) Siobhan Clarke.
* World-weary veteran DI [[Rebus]] spends most of the series partnered with the younger DC (later DS) Siobhan Clarke.
* ''[[Discworld]]'':
* Sam Vimes and Carrot in ''[[Discworld/Guards Guards|Guards Guards]]''. Also, Sam Vimes and, er, [[I Hate Past Me|Sam Vimes]] in ''[[Discworld/Night Watch|Night Watch]]''.
** Sam Vimes and Carrot in ''[[Guards! Guards!]]''.
** Also, Sam Vimes and, er, [[I Hate Past Me|Sam Vimes]] in ''[[Night Watch (Discworld)|Night Watch]]''.


==Live Action TV==
== [[Live-Action TV]] ==
* Despite [[Loads and Loads of Characters|the numerous cast changes]], ''[[Law and Order|Law & Order]]'' managed to play this Trope straight for eighteen years:
* Despite [[Loads and Loads of Characters|the numerous cast changes]], ''[[Law and Order|Law & Order]]'' managed to play this Trope straight for eighteen years:
{{quote|'''1990:''' Max Greevey (older cop) and Mike Logan (newbie cop). {{spoiler|Greevey was shot and killed.}}
{{quote|'''1990:''' Max Greevey (older cop) and Mike Logan (newbie cop). {{spoiler|Greevey was shot and killed.}}
'''1991:''' Phil Ceretta and Mike Logan. {{spoiler|Ceretta was also shot, but survived the injuries.}}
'''1991:''' Phil Ceretta and Mike Logan. {{spoiler|Ceretta was also shot, but survived the injuries.}}
'''1992:''' [[Cool Old Guy|Lennie Briscoe]] and Mike Logan. {{spoiler|Logan was demoted to street patrol on Long Island for assaulting an acquitted murderer.}}
'''1992:''' [[Cool Old Guy|Lennie Briscoe]] and Mike Logan. {{spoiler|Logan was demoted to street patrol on Long Island for assaulting an acquitted murderer.}}
'''1995:''' Briscoe and Reynaldo Curtis. {{spoiler|Curtis took early retirement to take of his multiple sclerosis stricken wife.}}
'''1995:''' Briscoe and Reynaldo Curtis. {{spoiler|Curtis took early retirement to take of his multiple sclerosis stricken wife.}}
'''1999:''' Briscoe and Ed Green. {{spoiler|Briscoe retired and joined the D.A.'s office, setting the stage for ''[[Law & Order: Trial by Jury|Law and Order Trial By Jury]]''}}.
'''1999:''' Briscoe and Ed Green. {{spoiler|Briscoe retired and joined the D.A.'s office, setting the stage for ''[[Law & Order: Trial by Jury|Law and Order Trial By Jury]]''}}.
'''2004:''' Joe Fontana and Green. {{spoiler|Fontana retired.}}
'''2004:''' Joe Fontana and Green. {{spoiler|Fontana retired.}}
'''2006:''' Played with this time: Average-experience cop Ed Green and total newbie Nina Cassidy. Cassidy left the show after one season, and was replaced with Cyrus Lupo, a cop with some seasoning, thus breaking the Trope. }}
'''2006:''' Played with this time: Average-experience cop Ed Green and total newbie Nina Cassidy. Cassidy left the show after one season, and was replaced with Cyrus Lupo, a cop with some seasoning, thus breaking the Trope. }}
** Played straight since season two of ''[[Law and Order Special Victims Unit|Law & Order: SVU]]'' with Munch and Fin—Though one could argue they're both seasoned veterans, Munch is noticeably older, and has probably been on the force longer.
** Played straight since season two of ''[[Law & Order: Special Victims Unit]]'' with Munch and Fin—Though one could argue they're both seasoned veterans, Munch is noticeably older, and has probably been on the force longer.
* ''[[Twin Peaks]]'': Windom Earle and Dale Cooper ''might'' have been this in the times before Earle's insanity.
* ''[[Twin Peaks]]'': Windom Earle and Dale Cooper ''might'' have been this in the times before Earle's insanity.
* Done so often on British TV that it's probably easier to list the British cop shows which '''DON'T''' feature this combo at some point, but what the hell, here's just a few examples which do:
* Done so often on British TV that it's probably easier to list the British cop shows which ''don't'' feature this combo at some point, but what the hell, here's just a few examples which do:
** ''[[Dalziel and Pascoe|Dalziel & Pascoe]]'' - featuring, well, Dalziel and Pascoe
** ''[[Dalziel and Pascoe]]'' - featuring, well, Dalziel and Pascoe
** ''[[Inspector Morse]]'' - featuring Morse and DS Lewis
** ''[[Inspector Morse]]'' - featuring Morse and DS Lewis
** ''[[Lewis]] (aka Inspector Lewis)'' - featuring Lewis from the aforementioned show, [[Master Apprentice Chain|now promoted to DI and partnered with DS Hathaway]] (Has led to speculation that in another 20 years, there will be a new show entitled "Hathaway"/"Inspector Hathaway")
** ''[[Lewis]] (aka Inspector Lewis)'' - featuring Lewis from the aforementioned show, [[Master Apprentice Chain|now promoted to DI and partnered with DS Hathaway]] (Has led to speculation that in another 20 years, there will be a new show entitled "Hathaway"/"Inspector Hathaway")
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* ''The Streets Of San Francisco'' (1972–77), starring Karl Malden (older cop) and [[Michael Douglas]] (younger cop).
* ''The Streets Of San Francisco'' (1972–77), starring Karl Malden (older cop) and [[Michael Douglas]] (younger cop).
* Sully and Davis on ''[[Third Watch]]''.
* Sully and Davis on ''[[Third Watch]]''.
* The dynamic between all the rookies and their Training Officers on ''[[Rookie Blue]]''. Actual partnerships change from episode to episode.
* The dynamic between all the rookies and their Training Officers on ''[[Rookie Blue]]''. Actual partnerships change from episode to episode.


==Video Games==
== [[Video Games]] ==
* ''[[LA Noire]]'': Cole Phelps and his partners [[Shell-Shocked Veteran|Herschel Biggs]] and [[Noble Bigot with a Badge|Rusty Galloway]] certainly fit the bill.
* ''[[L.A. Noire]]'': Cole Phelps and his partners [[Shell-Shocked Veteran|Herschel Biggs]] and [[Noble Bigot with a Badge|Rusty Galloway]] certainly fit the bill.


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Latest revision as of 14:29, 25 January 2023

Agent J: [pointing at Agent K] Old and busted.
Agent J: [pointing at himself] New hotness.

A constellation of two cops or detectives, an older one and a younger one. Inevitably, the older one becomes some kind of father figure to the other. In addition to that, they are often presented as very different from each other, which may or may not result in conflict between them. Maybe the older one is experienced while the younger one is new to the job. Maybe the younger one is emotional and short-tempered while the older one is more like The Stoic. Maybe the younger one is idealistic while the older one tends more towards cynicism. Maybe it's a case of Red Oni, Blue Oni. Maybe the older one is a rationalist while the younger one tends towards more intuitive methods of investigation - or maybe the other way round. If they appear in a crime or mystery setting (and they are very unlikely to be seen elsewhere), expect them to be the main characters. Also, expect at least one of them to be personally involved in the case in one way or the other.

Subtrope of Student and Master Team. If the junior partner grows up to train an apprentice of his own, it's a Master Apprentice Chain.

Examples of Old Cop, Young Cop include:

Anime and Manga

Comic Books

  • Sideswipe and Cheetor in Fun Publications' "The Stunti-Con Job", which is in-continuity with Transformers Animated.

Film

Literature

  • Goodman and Muldoon from R.A. Wilson's Illuminatus trilogy.
  • Felidae: Pascal and Francis. Subverted hard. At the beginning they seem to fit this trope, but at the end it turns out that Pascal is actually the killer and helps Francis only because he wants to pass the torch to him.
  • Knight in Sour Armour Roslyn Forrester and Wide-Eyed Idealist Christ Cwej in the Doctor Who Virgin New Adventures novels.
  • Tony Hillerman's mysteries set on the Navajo reservation feature Joe Leaphorn (older, world-weary, atheistic) and Jim Chee (younger, more idealistic, a practicing shaman).
  • Occurs in Rivers of London with DCI Nightingale (since he is over 100 years old) being the old, refined, gentleman cop, and DC Grant as the wet behind the ears, yet inexplicably smart, sarky, and mouthy new cop.
  • World-weary veteran DI Rebus spends most of the series partnered with the younger DC (later DS) Siobhan Clarke.
  • Discworld:

Live-Action TV

1990: Max Greevey (older cop) and Mike Logan (newbie cop). Greevey was shot and killed.
1991: Phil Ceretta and Mike Logan. Ceretta was also shot, but survived the injuries.
1992: Lennie Briscoe and Mike Logan. Logan was demoted to street patrol on Long Island for assaulting an acquitted murderer.
1995: Briscoe and Reynaldo Curtis. Curtis took early retirement to take of his multiple sclerosis stricken wife.
1999: Briscoe and Ed Green. Briscoe retired and joined the D.A.'s office, setting the stage for Law and Order Trial By Jury.
2004: Joe Fontana and Green. Fontana retired.
2006: Played with this time: Average-experience cop Ed Green and total newbie Nina Cassidy. Cassidy left the show after one season, and was replaced with Cyrus Lupo, a cop with some seasoning, thus breaking the Trope.

    • Played straight since season two of Law & Order: Special Victims Unit with Munch and Fin—Though one could argue they're both seasoned veterans, Munch is noticeably older, and has probably been on the force longer.
  • Twin Peaks: Windom Earle and Dale Cooper might have been this in the times before Earle's insanity.
  • Done so often on British TV that it's probably easier to list the British cop shows which don't feature this combo at some point, but what the hell, here's just a few examples which do:
    • Dalziel and Pascoe - featuring, well, Dalziel and Pascoe
    • Inspector Morse - featuring Morse and DS Lewis
    • Lewis (aka Inspector Lewis) - featuring Lewis from the aforementioned show, now promoted to DI and partnered with DS Hathaway (Has led to speculation that in another 20 years, there will be a new show entitled "Hathaway"/"Inspector Hathaway")
    • Taggart - featuring DCI Jim Taggart, partnered with first DS Peter Livingstone and then (as the better example) DS/DI Mike Jardine (although, the show did become more of an ensemble, in later seasons)
    • The Ruth Rendell Mysteries - featuring DCI Reg Wexford and DI Mike Burden (might not be the best example, one might argue that Burden is more of a little brother than a son-like figure to Wexford)
    • Life On Mars - featuring DCI Gene Hunt and DI Sam Tyler
      • This one is a bit of a variation, as both are experienced, but in their own time periods.
    • Midsomer Murders - featuring DCI Barnaby and Sergeant Troy, Sergeant Scott and finally Constable Jones.
    • Cadfael - has a variant. The series is set in medieval times and therefore before police existed, but Cadfael is an older detective monk who has a quasi-paternal relationship with lawman Hugh Berrigar.
  • The Streets Of San Francisco (1972–77), starring Karl Malden (older cop) and Michael Douglas (younger cop).
  • Sully and Davis on Third Watch.
  • The dynamic between all the rookies and their Training Officers on Rookie Blue. Actual partnerships change from episode to episode.

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