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How is anti-Christian sentiment and anti-Islam sentiment a false equivalence? Both are prejudices against religious groups and religions and in each example the author wrote a comic series for the purpose of attacking a religious group and religion. On a side note, correct me if I'm wrong, for someone who said to dislike all religions, Garth Ennis' works only seem to attack Christianity and Christians. |
"Both are prejudices against religious groups and religions" is precisely where that similarity ends; the nature of the prejudices set them firmly apart, and ignoring that seems disingenuous. Furthermore, Garth Ennis is noted to be an atheist, and is critical of Christianity specifically based on apparent life experiences; I would think anyone promoting the idea that atheists HAVE to necessarily criticize all religions ever is probably feeding someone a line. Anyway, sprucing up the page further |
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* [[Acceptable Religious Targets]]: The series treats Christians and Christianity as such, like most works by [[Garth Ennis]].
* [[Complete Monster]]: Marie L'Angelle is utterly ''terrifying'', and in Preacher that is quite an accomplishment.
** Allfather D'Aronique is also utterly repulsive, in [[Big Eater|more]] [[Fat Bastard|ways]] [[Gonk|than]] [[We Have Reserves|one]], as is [[The Napoleon|Odin Quincannon]].
{{quote|'''Allfather D'Aronique''': ''At the end of every day, every leader of every nation makes a telephone call. They dial a number I have given them. And when I answer, they simply say-- "Thank you".''}}
** Herr Starr
* [[Designated Villain]]: God, until Alamo. The main reason Jesse goes after him is to make God apologise for
▲** More like it crosses the line six times and is still looking for the next line to cross, with no sign of stopping.
▲* [[Designated Villain]]: God, until Alamo. The main reason Jesse goes after him is to make God apologise for earth being a [[Crapsack World]] even though it's pointed out humans have complete free will and made the world the way it is. However over the course of the comic, God isn't presented as a bad person, really just a coward. In fact he only attacks Jesse for attempting to use the Word, so it's actually self-defence considering Jesse does kill and hurt with slight provocation. It isn't until Jesse's conversation with the Saint at the Alamo that we discover any real crime. {{spoiler|God started the war in Heaven and made a earth the way it was just to see who would love him.}}
* [[Ensemble Darkhorse]]: Arseface.
* [[God Mode Sue]] / [[Villain Sue]]
* [[HSQ]]: Just keeps going ''up'' and ''up'' in the War of the Sun arc. {{spoiler|The Saint goes from ''kicking a tank'' to being hit with a ''nuke''!}}
* [[Magnificent Bastard]]: Herr Starr. Even after being nigh-completely mentally and physically destroyed, he's still just about the baddest motherfucker in the valley. (Okay. Second baddest.)
* [[Moral Event Horizon]]:
** The Saint crossed it when he [[Shoot the Hostage|shot a hostage]].
** And {{spoiler|after Jesse's supposed death, Cassidy gets a broken Tulip hooked on pills and booze so that she'll be totally dependent on him, and has sex with her multiple times whilst she's pretty much completely out of it. And that's ''before'' we discover his past.}}
*** He commits a murder that the victim did ''not'' deserve (Sheriff who shot at him for sleeping with his wife). Honestly, what did Cass ''expect'' the guy to do? And Cass survived the shot, being a vampire and all. This is the first solid hint that ol' Cass may be more on the side of darkness than light.
* [[Motive Decay]]: Demonstrated by Herr Starr.
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- Acceptable Religious Targets: The series treats Christians and Christianity as such, like most works by Garth Ennis.
- Complete Monster: Marie L'Angelle is utterly terrifying, and in Preacher that is quite an accomplishment.
- Allfather D'Aronique is also utterly repulsive, in more ways than one, as is Odin Quincannon.
Allfather D'Aronique: At the end of every day, every leader of every nation makes a telephone call. They dial a number I have given them. And when I answer, they simply say-- "Thank you". |
- Herr Starr has, among others acts, forced one of his childhood bullies (an asshole who horrifically scarred him and put out his eye with a glass shard when he was five years old) to drink weedkiller, had an angel tortured for information, sacrificed an entire army division just to get rid of the Saint, and killed' the only descendant of Jesus. (Though that might be more of a Mercy Kill...
- Crosses the Line Twice: More like "crosses the line six times while doing cartwheels and looking for the next line with no sign of stopping".
- Designated Villain: God, until Alamo. The main reason Jesse goes after him is to make God apologise for Earth being a Crapsack World, even though it's pointed out humans have complete free will and made the world the way it is. However, over the course of the comic, God isn't presented as a bad person, really just a coward. In fact he only attacks Jesse for attempting to use the Word, so it's actually self-defense, considering Jesse does kill and hurt with slight provocation. It isn't until Jesse's conversation with the Saint at the Alamo that we discover any real crime. God started the war in Heaven and made Earth the way it was just to see who would love him.
- Ensemble Darkhorse: Arseface.
- God Mode Sue / Villain Sue The Saint. Nothing can kill him and he can kill everything. At least Jessie getting him once with the Word of God showed he wasn't completely invincible. It's justified, given that he is Death itself, and being unkillable and able to kill anything sort of comes with the job decription.
- HSQ: Just keeps going up and up in the War of the Sun arc. The Saint goes from kicking a tank to being hit with a nuke!
- Magnificent Bastard: Herr Starr. Even after being nigh-completely mentally and physically destroyed, he's still just about the baddest motherfucker in the valley. (Okay. Second baddest.)
- Moral Event Horizon:
- The Saint crossed it when he shot a hostage.
- And after Jesse's supposed death, Cassidy gets a broken Tulip hooked on pills and booze so that she'll be totally dependent on him, and has sex with her multiple times whilst she's pretty much completely out of it. And that's before we discover his past. That he does feel ashamed about it after hardly mitigates anything; from what we learn of Cassidy from Sally, it's clear that he has some serious problems with substance abuse, and tends to drag his lovers down with him sooner or later. Plus, since they were both under the impression that Jesse was dead and Tulip was completely crushed, he might have though he was helping her deal with the pain in the only way he knows how, which only serves to display how fucked up his idea of coping really is.
- He commits a murder that the victim did not deserve (Sheriff who shot at him for sleeping with his wife). Honestly, what did Cass expect the guy to do? And Cass survived the shot, being a vampire and all. This is the first solid hint that ol' Cass may be more on the side of darkness than light.
- Motive Decay: Demonstrated by Herr Starr.
- Narm: Done deliberately for Arseface. And it works.
- Nightmare Fuel: Angelville and it's inhabitants. Jesse's childhood. Starr's Start of Darkness.
- Offscreen Moment of Awesome: The Saint of Killers takes on the entire Heavenly Host. We only see the aftermath.
- Squick: Odin Quincannon's meat shed. Ew.
- Try everything in the series. Every kind of Squick you can think of, ever, is PROBABLY in Preacher somewhere.
- Values Dissonance: In the Arseface origin story. Both kids suffer pretty much ever textbook case of bullying, at home and at school, without even a hint of help of escape coming from anyone or anywhere. After they try to kill themselves, resulting in one death and one horrible disfigurement, the survivor gets yelled at: He should just have been tougher!
- Crowning Moment of Awesome: After his Happily-Failed Suicide, Arseface’s best friend’s sister asked him why he and her brother were Driven to Suicide. Arseface answers (writes) Nobody cared. To the only person who cared enough to visit him in the hospital and whose brother is dead. After she delivers a "The Reason You Suck" Speech “If you two did you this to yourselves, then you didn’t care neither!”, Arseface has a Heel Realization and his ephiphany let him become the only decent human being in the main cast who truly earned a happy ending.
- The Woobie: Arseface - his father is an abusive Jerkass and most of his peers aren't much better. Then he is horribly disfigured by a botched suicide attempt and it goes downhill from there...