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I refer you to what you were told the last time you made a request to be taken off "the" mailing list.
tl;dr: There is no one list.
Oh, I don't know, it's only been in the workshop a couple years... I really think it needs at least
No, I'm joking. I'm cool with finally getting launched. Voting yes.
Holding my vote to launch pending a pass or two - I'll circle back around after.
Pending a Web Comics check, I'm gonna say "yes". There was still another quality pass or two due, and I figured the least I could do is fix it myself rather than ask that of everyone else - especially when it's been in here so long.
...of course, I say that, and then I run into a bunch of examples in dire need of context beyond "video game world".
Once those examples get sufficient context, I think I can more confidently say yes.
I agree and its rather hard to find examples away from those found on online Korean media.
Alright, I believe the page is ready to be launched. Is there any problems with the page that would prevent it?
Not necessarily with the page, but as long as the "Context for Umbire" discussion was going on, I wasn't about to launch the page.
I have forced an end to that discussion - which was plodding on long after the matter was addressed and resolved - by closing that thread.
Okay, thank you. It was just a form of confusion brought on by a lack of understand. Also, I wish to apologize to @Umbire the Phantom about my last post. I was just to trying to make sure there was a clear understand from your last comment rather than extend the discussion. I hope that we can move on and launch this page.
I do not wish to bother anyone on this but I believe that I've been patient for the last 4 months. So I asked if this page can be launched with all of these affirmatives? @Agiletek @Bauerbach @GentlemensDame883 @Goo Monster @HeneryVII @Jlaw @Lequinni @RivetVermin @Umbire the Phantom @Utini501 @Labster @Looney Toons @GethN7 @Robkelk @QuestionableSanity @Derivative @SelfCloak
Don't like the amount of redlinks on the site, but otherwise seems good. Voting yes.
The redlinks are meant to encourage article creation for the works, I'd think.
MOD: Voting "not until the page has had a spelling and grammar check, and the commented-out question in the The S-Classes that I Raised example has been answered."
C'mon, folks, this is supposed to be done before the vote to launch takes place...
Edit: And what is "a near societal decline", anyway? That's mentioned in the JK Musou - Owaru Sekai no Sukuikata example.
Well, I just done a grammar pass from the description to and including literature. Knowing me, there's a high chance the pass contains some sort of mistake, so someone should review it.
If we're being fussy about grammar and structure, then almost every example I've seen so far need rewriting because they have sentences that keeps going on and on like this one, which makes it really hard to understand what they mean—especially since I'm unfamiliar with all these works.
Edit: the problem isn't that sentences are too long. It's that there aren't many smaller sentences to balance them out.
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Knowing me, there's a high chance the pass contains some sort of mistake |
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Writing is hard...
The pass is now complete. If we are being extra picky, I'll say we need to reduce the size of the absolutely monstrous Rick and Morty example. It's a 441 word bullet point which is difficult to read and follow along. Someone more familiar with these works should go over them and make I didn't do anything wrong, and that the example is easy to read to someone not familiar with the works in question.
Personally, I'm only doing this because I hate seeing tropes stuck in the workshop. Hopefully this means we can continue the launch process. I'll prioritize launching over fixing the problems I mentioned. If we launch, someone in the far future can always improve this trope. If we're stuck here, there's always a chance the trope will be deleted due to inactivity.
My apologies; I added those. If anyone can help me figure out how to shorten those examples and simplifies them, it would be great.
The biggest thing is that you should only talk about how the trope is used. Set it up in a way to establish exactly how the tribulation came around and how the world has changed, and talk about nothing else. The problem with the Rick and Morty example is that it's more of a plot summary. I don't want to hear the plot of the show; I want to hear how the trope applies to the show.
If you really want to talk about the trope in detail, do so after we've launched it, on the page for the work. People on the work's page are probably familiar with it, and thus can follow along. People like me on the trope's page most likely are not familiar with the work in question. Thus, we only want to hear about the basic details.
Take our example for The Sandman:
During A Game of You, it's revealed that Barbie's dreams feature this. As Princess Barbara, she is the rightful ruler of a realm where the Cuckoo has taken her throne, and introduces chaos through the power of compulsion. Armies march through peaceful villages and terrify the citizens, anthropomorphized creatures that can talk or perform magic. Barbie notes that while the Land is still beautiful, it is no longer home and won't be unless she defeats the Cuckoo. Martin Tenbones tells her that the Porpentine, a magical sugar gem, is what keeps the Land intact so she must never let the Cuckoo destroy it. Barbie fails; the Cuckoo slaughters most of her friends, brainwashes the rest, and compels her to destroy the Porpentine. Dream comes and ends the Land's time in the Dreaming, so all the dead inhabitants enter the palm of his hand. Even worse, when Dream appears, he breaks it gently to Barbie that Cuckoos are supposed to invite this level of destruction. Their nature is to grow in a dream world that isn't there, leave by any means possible, and fly to their hearts' content. He says that if Rose hadn't inadvertently interfered with Barbie's dream, the Cuckoo would be able to leave sooner.
Everything I've highlighted in italics are what I believe to be "plot summary" elements, where we don't talk about how the trope applies to the work. Instead, they talk about the consequences of the trope and what is happening in the dream land. The key thing is that I can follow along with the first part. The second part gets confusing because it dives into the plot of the work.
For a simplified version to go on this page, I'll write:
In A Game of You, Barbie's dreams. The Cuckoo has taken her throne, and introduced chaos through the power of compulsion. Armies change the world by marching through villages and terrifying the citizens. Barbie believes the Land is no longer home unless she defeats the Cuckoo, making this change permanent.
Don't be afraid to clearly signpost how each part of the plot relates to the trope. It's alright to say stuff like The storm of chaos is or thus changing the world forever. This only helps readers understand the example, in case they "zone out" while reading, and forget to absorb or think about the information. I know this, because I did that several times during the grammar pass!
You might want to consult another member of All The Tropes before making any changes to see how they would handle it. Everything here is just my opinion on how I would personally shorten examples. Good luck!
Alternatively, don't even bother with the check. If all other tropers vote that yes, this is launchable, then they clearly don't have a problem. I might be in the minority here. We or another person can always fix this after it's launched.
TL;DR: Only talk about how the work relates to the trope and nothing else.
In a similar way, I'll cut the first Rick and Morty bullet point down to just:
Season one features Rick forcing Morty to leave their home for a parallel universe, after Rick accidentally turns all of humanity into Cronenberg mutants when Morty's request for a Love Potion goes wrong.
That works! I talk about what the change is, and how the change impacts the plot.
Alright, I did an edit pass and I don't see anything else that could be a problem unless there is something I missed. Sorry for pinging you again but I need to know, is this page launchable?@Labster @Looney Toons @GethN7 @Robkelk @QuestionableSanity @Derivative @SelfCloak
Speaking as a troper, not as a mod...
The very first thing I see on this page is a two-minute video. I'm not about to watch a two-minute video to find out whether it's an example of the trope.
And if I'm not going to do that, I'm not going to put in the time to read the page.
Okay, I could replace with a picture then since I don't know how to time the embedded image.
We have ignored this trope candidate for too long. while it's been a hectic few months, there's no excuse for that, and I apologize on behalf of the mod team.
I'm re-calling the vote to launch: yes or no?
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