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It is common that some work is heavily "inspired" by a previous work—they may have different authors and settings, but there are strong similarities of plot, situations and characters. It is also common that the second work is much inferior to the original, because the original is great or the derivative is awful or both. The Better By A Different name snark expresses this idea. The usual phrasing is "[This work] was better when it was called [other, earlier work]."
It is common that some work is heavily "inspired" by a previous work—they may have different authors and settings, but there are strong similarities of plot, situations and characters. It is also common that the second work is much inferior to the original, because the original is great or the derivative is awful or both. The Better By A Different name snark expresses this idea. The usual phrasing is "[This work] was better when it was called [other, earlier work]."


For Better By A Different Name to be effective, the original work needs to be well-known and admired. The trope is also rare when a work is a blatant [[Follow the Leader]] of another. For one thing, the joke is kind of ruined if the predecessor is obvious. For another, not all clone-work is execrable. Causality is also a confounding variable for Better By A Different Name. It may be that both the original and the supposedly "derivative" work were ''actually'' inspired by some [[Older Than They Think|even earlier]] common source.
For [[Better by a Different Name]] to be effective, the original work needs to be well-known and admired. The trope is also rare when a work is a blatant [[Follow the Leader]] of another. For one thing, the joke is kind of ruined if the predecessor is obvious. For another, not all clone-work is execrable. Causality is also a confounding variable for Better By A Different Name. It may be that both the original and the supposedly "derivative" work were ''actually'' inspired by some [[Older Than They Think|even earlier]] common source.


Often overlaps with [[If I Wanted X, I Would Y]].
Often overlaps with [[If I Wanted X, I Would Y]].
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'''Important:''' To avoid [[Natter]], this is reserved for instances actually noted in a specific work, fiction or non-fiction, regardless of whether these comments [[Fan Dumb|are correct]].
'''Important:''' To avoid [[Natter]], this is reserved for instances actually noted in a specific work, fiction or non-fiction, regardless of whether these comments [[Fan Dumb|are correct]].
{{examples|Examples (sorted by source of the comment instead of the subject):}}


{{examples|Examples (sorted by source of the comment instead of the subject):}}
== [[Comics]] ==
== [[Comic Books]] ==
* During the period where [[The Incredible Hulk]] was intelligent, he once refused to wear a cap with a [[Savage Dragon|a fin]] on it, since he didn't want people to say [[Take That|"it's just Hulk with a fin on his head"'']].
* During the period where [[The Incredible Hulk]] was intelligent, he once refused to wear a cap with a [[Savage Dragon|a fin]] on it, since he didn't want people to say [[Take That|"it's just Hulk with a fin on his head"'']].


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* [[Mitch Benn]] liked Russia's 2008 entry for the [[Eurovision Song Contest]] better when it was by Cat Stevens and called ''Wild World''.
* [[Mitch Benn]] liked Russia's 2008 entry for the [[Eurovision Song Contest]] better when it was by Cat Stevens and called ''Wild World''.
* Filk artist Voltaire's song "U.S.S. Make Shit Up":
* Filk artist Voltaire's song "U.S.S. Make Shit Up":
{{quote|I was stranded on the ''[[Star Trek: Voyager|Voyager]]''<br />
{{quote|I was stranded on the ''[[Star Trek: Voyager|Voyager]]''
And pounding on the door<br />
And pounding on the door
When suddenly it dawned on me--<br />
When suddenly it dawned on me--
I'd seen this show before!<br />
I'd seen this show before!
Perhaps I'm in a warp bubble<br />
Perhaps I'm in a warp bubble
And slightly out of phase<br />
And slightly out of phase
Coz it was way back in the sixties<br />
Coz it was way back in the sixties
When they called it ''[[Lost in Space]]''! }}
When they called it ''[[Lost in Space]]''! }}
** Which is more than slightly amusing when one considers that [[Lost in Space]] can be described as either ''[[Swiss Family Robinson]]'' [[Recycled in Space|IN SPACE!]] or [[Gilligan's Island]] [[Recycled in Space|IN SPACE!]] depending on how kind one feels on that particular day.
** Which is more than slightly amusing when one considers that [[Lost in Space]] can be described as either ''[[Swiss Family Robinson]]'' [[Recycled in Space|IN SPACE!]] or [[Gilligan's Island]] [[Recycled in Space|IN SPACE!]] depending on how kind one feels on that particular day.
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== Other ==
== Other ==
* A magazine gave a breakdown of the [[Summer Blockbuster]]s of 1997. They discuss how ''[[Hercules (Disney film)|Hercules]]'' did only moderately well compared to other recent works of the [[Disney Animated Canon]], and they surmised people thought it was done better when it was called ''[[Aladdin (Disney film)|Aladdin]]''.
* A magazine gave a breakdown of the [[Summer Blockbuster]]s of 1997. They discuss how ''[[Hercules (1997 film)||Hercules]]'' did only moderately well compared to other recent works of the [[Disney Animated Canon]], and they surmised people thought it was done better when it was called ''[[Aladdin (Disney film)|Aladdin]]''.
* [[Roger Ebert]]: "All bad movies have good twins, and the good version of ''[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119219/ Goodbye, Lover]'' is ''[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099797/ The Hot Spot]''... a thriller that was equally lurid but less hyperkinetic."
* [[Roger Ebert]]: "All bad movies have good twins, and the good version of ''[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119219/ Goodbye, Lover]'' is ''[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099797/ The Hot Spot]''... a thriller that was equally lurid but less hyperkinetic."
** He said the same anything with ''[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098258/ Say Anything]'' (GREAT!) and ''[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098308/ She's Out of Control]'' (HORRIBLE!), both of which opened on the exact same day (April 14, 1989).
** He said the same anything with ''[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098258/ Say Anything]'' (GREAT!) and ''[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098308/ She's Out of Control]'' (HORRIBLE!), both of which opened on the exact same day (April 14, 1989).
* A diversion in an [http://www.sfx.co.uk/2012/02/25/isn%E2%80%99t-it-about-time-you-gave-armageddon-another-chance/ online] ''SFX'' article, giving the cases for and against ''[[Armageddon]]''.
* A diversion in an [http://www.sfx.co.uk/2012/02/25/isn%E2%80%99t-it-about-time-you-gave-armageddon-another-chance/ online] ''SFX'' article, giving the cases for and against ''[[Armageddon]]''.
{{quote|'''Case for the defence''': The science in ''Armageddon'' is no more wacky than it is in something like ''[[Fantastic Voyage (film)|Fantastic Voyage]]'' and – let’s face it – considerably more sensible than the science presented in ''[[Source Code]]''.<br />
{{quote|'''Case for the defence''': The science in ''Armageddon'' is no more wacky than it is in something like ''[[Fantastic Voyage (film)|Fantastic Voyage]]'' and – let’s face it – considerably more sensible than the science presented in ''[[Source Code]]''.
'''Case for the prosecution''': Hey, I liked ''Source Code''!<br />
'''Case for the prosecution''': Hey, I liked ''Source Code''!
'''Case for the defence''': I liked it better 20 years ago when it was called ''[[Quantum Leap]]''.<br />
'''Case for the defence''': I liked it better 20 years ago when it was called ''[[Quantum Leap]]''.
'''Case for the prosecution''': Touché. }}
'''Case for the prosecution''': Touché. }}


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{{quote|'''Nappa''': I'd rather watch ''[[Naruto]]'', Vegeta.
{{quote|'''Nappa''': I'd rather watch ''[[Naruto]]'', Vegeta.
'''Vegeta''': Oh, please! If I wanted to watch over a hundred episodes of [[Filler]], I'd watch ''[[Inuyasha]]''.
'''Vegeta''': Oh, please! If I wanted to watch over a hundred episodes of [[Filler]], I'd watch ''[[Inuyasha]]''.
'''Nappa''': What about ''[[Bleach]]'', Vegeta? It's like us, ''[[Recycled in Space|with swords]]''!<br />
'''Nappa''': What about ''[[Bleach]]'', Vegeta? It's like us, ''[[Recycled in Space|with swords]]''!
'''Vegeta''': I liked that show better when it was called ''[[Yu Yu Hakusho]]'', and I liked ''that'' show better when it was called ''[[Dragonball Z]]''! }}
'''Vegeta''': I liked that show better when it was called ''[[Yu Yu Hakusho]]'', and I liked ''that'' show better when it was called ''[[Dragonball Z]]''! }}
* In [http://omohide.com/181/maison-ikkoku-review-what-makes-a-good-anime/ this recent review], ''[[Love Hina]]'' is said to have been better when it was called ''[[Maison Ikkoku]]''.
* In [http://omohide.com/181/maison-ikkoku-review-what-makes-a-good-anime/ this recent review], ''[[Love Hina]]'' is said to have been better when it was called ''[[Maison Ikkoku]]''.
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* [[Moviebob]], a week after reviewing ''[[Jennifer's Body]]'' (in the appendix to his review of ''[[Surrogates]]''), compared said film to ''[[Ginger Snaps]]'', which he called the good version of that movie.
* [[Moviebob]], a week after reviewing ''[[Jennifer's Body]]'' (in the appendix to his review of ''[[Surrogates]]''), compared said film to ''[[Ginger Snaps]]'', which he called the good version of that movie.
* In [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LdCophxHgk Kaiba's Real Father - Conclusion] on ''[[Yu-Gi-Oh!: The Abridged Series|Yu-Gi-Oh the Abridged Series]]''
* In [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LdCophxHgk Kaiba's Real Father - Conclusion] on ''[[Yu-Gi-Oh!: The Abridged Series|Yu-Gi-Oh the Abridged Series]]''
{{quote|'''Kaiba:''' Was that a [[Dragonball Z Abridged|DragonBall Z]] cameo? Geez, knowing my luck, my father's going to turn out to be Ghost Nappa. That's pretty much how these things usually go.<br />
{{quote|'''Kaiba:''' Was that a [[Dragonball Z Abridged|DragonBall Z]] cameo? Geez, knowing my luck, my father's going to turn out to be Ghost Nappa. That's pretty much how these things usually go.
'''Mokuba:''' Aaaahh, but you gotta admit, Seto, Nappa sure is funny!<br />
'''Mokuba:''' Aaaahh, but you gotta admit, Seto, Nappa sure is funny!
'''Kaiba:''' Yeah, I liked him better when he was called "Tristan". }}
'''Kaiba:''' Yeah, I liked him better when he was called "Tristan". }}
* A couple times in ''[[Cracked.com|Cracked]]'':
* A couple times in ''[[Cracked.com|Cracked]]'':
** "I saw ''[[The Matrix]]'' back when it was called ''[[Dark City]]''." This is the example given for #4 of [http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-common-movie-arguments-that-are-always-wrong/ 6 Common Movie Arguments That Are Always Wrong].
** "I saw ''[[The Matrix]]'' back when it was called ''[[Dark City]]''." This is the example given for #4 of [http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-common-movie-arguments-that-are-always-wrong/ 6 Common Movie Arguments That Are Always Wrong].
** Yet it goes on to explain why ''[[Home Alone]]'' and ''[[Die Hard]]'' are [http://www.cracked.com/funny-4445-home-alone/ the same movie].
** Yet it goes on to explain why ''[[Home Alone]]'' and ''[[Die Hard]]'' are [https://web.archive.org/web/20131122054554/http://www.cracked.com/funny-4445-home-alone/ the same movie].
*** ''[[Home Alone]]'''s older counterpart is usually considered to be the original ''[[Straw Dogs]]'', due to both films using elaborate traps in a house and the main character's life constantly being in danger.
*** ''[[Home Alone]]'''s older counterpart is usually considered to be the original ''[[Straw Dogs]]'', due to both films using elaborate traps in a house and the main character's life constantly being in danger.
* The [http://www.jabootu.com/sphere.htm Jabootu review] of ''[[Sphere]]'' draws the broad strokes of the film's [[Cliché Storm]]:
* The [https://web.archive.org/web/20130706032243/http://www.jabootu.com/sphere.htm Jabootu review] of ''[[Sphere]]'' draws the broad strokes of the film's [[Cliché Storm]]:
{{quote|I was in fact entertained by the first part of ''Sphere'' the first time I saw it (when it was called either ''[[The Abyss]]'' or ''[[Alien]]''), and I was ''quite highly'' entertained by the second half the first time I saw that (when it was called ''[[Forbidden Planet]]'' and starred Walter Pigeon). I have to take it as a given that I would have enjoyed the last five minutes of ''Sphere'' along with everyone else who saw it the first time, when it was called ''[[Prince Of Tides]]'', but I missed that one.}}
{{quote|I was in fact entertained by the first part of ''Sphere'' the first time I saw it (when it was called either ''[[The Abyss]]'' or ''[[Alien]]''), and I was ''quite highly'' entertained by the second half the first time I saw that (when it was called ''[[Forbidden Planet]]'' and starred Walter Pigeon). I have to take it as a given that I would have enjoyed the last five minutes of ''Sphere'' along with everyone else who saw it the first time, when it was called ''[[Prince Of Tides]]'', but I missed that one.}}


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Latest revision as of 07:33, 7 January 2022

I liked [Bleach] better when it was called Yu Yu Hakusho, and I liked that show better when it was called DRAGON BALL Z!

It is common that some work is heavily "inspired" by a previous work—they may have different authors and settings, but there are strong similarities of plot, situations and characters. It is also common that the second work is much inferior to the original, because the original is great or the derivative is awful or both. The Better By A Different name snark expresses this idea. The usual phrasing is "[This work] was better when it was called [other, earlier work]."

For Better by a Different Name to be effective, the original work needs to be well-known and admired. The trope is also rare when a work is a blatant Follow the Leader of another. For one thing, the joke is kind of ruined if the predecessor is obvious. For another, not all clone-work is execrable. Causality is also a confounding variable for Better By A Different Name. It may be that both the original and the supposedly "derivative" work were actually inspired by some even earlier common source.

Often overlaps with If I Wanted X, I Would Y.

A Sub-Trope of They Copied It, So It Sucks, in that this trope is a common way to express that belief.

Compare Take That, Recycled in Space (which often is a cause of this), Serial Numbers Filed Off (another cause of this unless it's by the same creator), Spiritual Licensee.

Important: To avoid Natter, this is reserved for instances actually noted in a specific work, fiction or non-fiction, regardless of whether these comments are correct.

Examples (sorted by source of the comment instead of the subject):

Comic Books

Literature

Live Action TV

  • This was one of David Spade's trademark bits on Saturday Night Live. In his last season it got turned around on him, when host Teri Hatcher told him she liked his then-current movie Black Sheep better when it was called Tommy Boy.

Music

  • Mitch Benn liked Russia's 2008 entry for the Eurovision Song Contest better when it was by Cat Stevens and called Wild World.
  • Filk artist Voltaire's song "U.S.S. Make Shit Up":

I was stranded on the Voyager
And pounding on the door
When suddenly it dawned on me--
I'd seen this show before!
Perhaps I'm in a warp bubble
And slightly out of phase
Coz it was way back in the sixties
When they called it Lost in Space!

    • Which is more than slightly amusing when one considers that Lost in Space can be described as either Swiss Family Robinson IN SPACE! or Gilligan's Island IN SPACE! depending on how kind one feels on that particular day.
      • Or "a rip-off of the original series of Star Trek after Roddenberry gave CBS the complete premise of Star Trek and they rejected it."

Other

Case for the defence: The science in Armageddon is no more wacky than it is in something like Fantastic Voyage and – let’s face it – considerably more sensible than the science presented in Source Code.
Case for the prosecution: Hey, I liked Source Code!
Case for the defence: I liked it better 20 years ago when it was called Quantum Leap.
Case for the prosecution: Touché.

Web Original

Nappa: I'd rather watch Naruto, Vegeta.
Vegeta: Oh, please! If I wanted to watch over a hundred episodes of Filler, I'd watch Inuyasha.
Nappa: What about Bleach, Vegeta? It's like us, with swords!
Vegeta: I liked that show better when it was called Yu Yu Hakusho, and I liked that show better when it was called Dragonball Z!

Kaiba: Was that a DragonBall Z cameo? Geez, knowing my luck, my father's going to turn out to be Ghost Nappa. That's pretty much how these things usually go.
Mokuba: Aaaahh, but you gotta admit, Seto, Nappa sure is funny!
Kaiba: Yeah, I liked him better when he was called "Tristan".

I was in fact entertained by the first part of Sphere the first time I saw it (when it was called either The Abyss or Alien), and I was quite highly entertained by the second half the first time I saw that (when it was called Forbidden Planet and starred Walter Pigeon). I have to take it as a given that I would have enjoyed the last five minutes of Sphere along with everyone else who saw it the first time, when it was called Prince Of Tides, but I missed that one.

Web Comics