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* Type in "Batman and Robin" to google images. On the first line of pictures there will be a picture of the two making out. That says it all really.
* Lord knows [https://web.archive.org/web/20131124005328/http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=32&Itemid=50 where] they got it [https://web.archive.org/web/20131226205040/http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=32&Itemid=50&limitstart=72 from] but many people interpret ''[[Batman]]'' as having plenty of [[Ho Yay]]. One [[Moral Guardians|Moral Guardian]], Frederic Wertham, famously claimed that it was "homosexual propaganda". Some later writers intentionally joked around with this.
** Among other things, [[The Joker|Joker]] is occasionally thought to have feelings for Batman that go beyond simple obsession and into romantic obsession. In one scene, he tortures [[Lex Luthor]], and Lex Luthor asks him if he is upset that Batman loves Catwoman more than him. Joker looks almost adorably bewildered for a moment before flying into a rage and jacking up the torture level.
{{quote|"Joker, does it ever bother you... really bother you... that Batman will always like Catwoman better? Blow up his city all you want, he'll never take you to the prom!"}}
*** Subverted in a recent Batman Confidential, when Batman commits a crime as his criminal persona, Matches Malone, so he'll get sent to jail, get put in the cell next to Joker's, and pick his brains. After Joker recognizes him-in about five seconds-Batman changes clothes right there, causing Joker to turn around and cover his eyes. "Don't worry. I like-a the ''ladies''
*** More or less confirmed in the recent "Cacophony" mini series where Joker's stated dreams are to humiliate Batman, kill him, then violate his corpse sexually. (What? You were expecting something ROMANTIC or even ''sane'' from the Joker?)
*** Then, of course, you have Joker in ''[[The Dark Knight Returns]]''. "Batman. Darling."
** Also, three words: Harley and Ivy. This contributor even remembers a ''fast-food placemat'' that insinuated these ''[[Batman]]'' villainesses might be a lesbian couple.
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'''Batgirl''': What?! Who says...? Forget it! Forget it! }}
*** The suggestive drawings of the two by [[Bruce Timm]] don't exactly serve to disprove the implications between them.
*** Let's face it. It's not even subtext, it's just... TEXT.
*** Dini has confirmed their relationship as romantic and sexual. Not that [[Word of God]] was needed in this case. Unless you were denser than lead.
** That's nothing, look at [https://web.archive.org/web/20140408123809/http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=387:oracle-and-black-canary-get-all-wet&catid=32:seduction-index&Itemid=36 this.] Batgirl is basically made of [[Les Yay]]. [[Fan Service|Not that I'm complaining...]]
*** [[Gail Simone]] agrees. She's [[Word of God|stated]] that far as she's concerned, [[Black Canary]] is a non-practicing [[Bi the Way|bisexual]]. And the above panel is from ''before'' she took over ''[[Birds of Prey]]''.
*** The Bat and the Cat storyline from ''Batman Confidential''. Long story short, Batgirl and Catwoman chase each other all over Gotham for possession of an important notebook. And at one point, [http://tytempletonart.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/batgirl-2.jpg this] happens. It certainly does look like angry sex.
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**** To be fair, that arc was written by Devin Grayson, who has long held the view that Dick has a deep rooted sexual attraction to Bruce Wayne, his father figure who is not actually his father.
*** Also, during this arc, Strange is depicted as extremely, y'know, ''[[Villainous Breakdown|crazy]]''.
*** Not to mention that the second Robin (who was the first child to be adopted by Bruce, years before even Dick), Jason Todd, went on a [[Roaring Rampage of Revenge]] after he came [[Back
{{quote|'''Jason''': And doing it because... ...because he took me away from you.}}
*** Though that's more likely due to Jason seeing Bruce as a father more than anything else.
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*** [http://www.shortpacked.com/blog/comic/book-7/08-the-cartoonist-proposes/supermanbatman/ Is too.]
*** Amendment: not funny any more ''when Jeph Loeb himself does it''.
*** The thing is, Loeb was by no means the first writer to make you doubt the heterosexuality of Superman and Batman. I would dare say that honour goes to Doug Moench in [http://the-isb.blogspot.com/2005/11/where-they-went-wrong-superman-and.html ''World's Finest'' #289], also covered [http://asylums.insanejournal.com/scans_daily/813229.html#cutid1 here]. It starts off with the two seeking comfort in each other at the Fortress of Solitude one lonely night and Holy Mother of God, does it go downhill from there (or [[If You Know What I Mean|uphill, depending on your point of view]]). It ends with - swear to God - [[Naughty Tentacles]], and the two of them embracing. And with dialogue like this (emphasis ''so'' not mine):
{{quote|'''Superman''': We're like night and day, you and I, and yet we're closer than we realize, '''closer than twins''' because we complement each other... we '''fit''' each other... '''like a hand and glove'''.
'''Narrator''': They hold the '''grip''' for a long time.... }}
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*** [http://www.cracked.com/article_18957_the-8-most-awkward-sexual-moments-in-comic-book-history.html Cracked.com agrees.]
*** Superman/Batman [[Captain Ersatz|pastiches]] Apollo and Midnighter in [[The Authority]] were explicitly a gay couple.
*** There was an [http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/1280377.html?#cutid1 Elseworld comic] in which Kal-El's rocket landed in medieval Japan, and the medieval Japanese equivalent of Batman was a woman. The results were...predictable.
*** Further referenced in their [[Superman: The Animated Series|animated]] [[Batman: The Animated Series|series]] crossover, when Bruce Wayne's obvious interest in Superman leads to Lois asking "You want me to fix you two up?"
** Maybe it's just something about Batman-- there are even some moments of [[Ho Yay]] between him and Jim Gordon. Check out [http://jinx-says.livejournal.com/17338.html this] scene from ''[[Batman: No Man's Land]]''. Tim's right: it ''does'' feel like your parents are fighting.
*** It probably is just something about Bats - being the archetypal [[Celibate Hero]], we know he's not likely to wind up with anyone (it'd cut into his brooding time, as [[Wonder Woman]] lampshades). [[Shipping Goggles|Still, it's fun to dream.]]
** The relationship between Tim and Dick lends itself plenty to this interpretation. On the one hand you've got [[Nightwing]], who's unbearably [[I Didn't Mean to Turn You On|friendly]], unbearably [[Chick Magnet|handsome]], and unbearably [[Big Brother Mentor|cool]]. On the other, you've got [[Badass Bookworm|Tim]], who once saw Dick at the circus when he was three and imprinted so much that he was [[Awesome By Analysis|able to recognize him]] solely by his acrobatics six years later, and who then [[Stalking Is Love|proceeded to stalk both his identities for several years]].
** Batman does have a history of sneaking into the bedrooms of attractive, naked young men. See his relationship with [[Green Lantern]] [[The Woobie|Kyle Rayner]], when he did so to assure Kyle that the League thought of him as the true Green Lantern. Kyle was a bit of a Batman [[Ascended Fanboy|fanboy]], as well.
** Even ''Alfred'' has his moments. In ''[[All Star Batman and Robin]]'', there's a scene where, thinking to himself, he describes Batman as his "black-eyed, brilliant, willful angel". As if Batman's interactions with Robin weren't [[Squick|Squicky]] enough...
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* The [[Squee|friendship between Cass (Batgirl II) and Steph (Spoiler)]] can occasionally verge on this. Specifically, when Cass is having a [[Near-Death Experience]], she hallucinates the spirit of her friend, carrying her as a groom would carry his bride. [http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lapjhn4g481qzmbbqo1_500.jpg Check it out.]
** Then, there's [http://i45.tinypic.com/2nas0ol.jpg this bit] between Cass and Oracle. Oddly enough, all of these people have been [[Batgirl]] at some point.
*** [[Double Entendre|So they've both gotten into Barbara's pants?]]
* The notorious Tim Drake/[[Superboy|Conner Kent]] pairing.
** The biggest amount of [[Ho Yay]] came from the aftermath of [[Infinite Crisis]], which Tim obsessing over trying to create another Con. There was also him dating Conner's girlfriend Wonder Girl, which was riddled with problems and came off as creepy.
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