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Note that the below list is a very rough scale; any given character may fall higher or lower on this list depending on context, regardless of what tropes describe him. Many character types are very broad, so the positions below should represent an approximate average; some individual characters are subversions who turn out to be something significantly different from the stereotype of their type of villain.
Note that the below list is a very rough scale; any given character may fall higher or lower on this list depending on context, regardless of what tropes describe him. Many character types are very broad, so the positions below should represent an approximate average; some individual characters are subversions who turn out to be something significantly different from the stereotype of their type of villain.


An interesting feature of this is that the more [[Evil Tropes|''evil'']] a villain is the ''less'' vile he may appear to be, compared to other villains in the story, the logic being that a truly Despicable villain is someone we hate and revile, while a truly Evil villain is dangerous and to be feared- we care less about ''what'' happens to him and are satisfied that ''something'' does, if only to end his reign of terror.
An interesting feature of this is that the more [[Evil Tropes|''evil'']] a villain is the ''less'' vile he may appear to be, compared to other villains in the story, the logic being that a truly Despicable villain is someone we hate and revile, while a truly Evil villain is dangerous and to be feared- we care less about ''what'' happens to him and are satisfied that ''something'' does, if only to end his reign of terror.


See also [[Sliding Scale of Anti-Heroes]], for the bottom end of the Protagonist version of this list. See [[Likable Villain]] for a classification of reasons ''why'' not all villains are vile ones.
See also [[Sliding Scale of Anti-Heroes]], for the bottom end of the Protagonist version of this list. See [[Likable Villain]] for a classification of reasons ''why'' not all villains are vile ones.
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The sliding scale is roughly as follows:
The sliding scale is roughly as follows:


=== Most Sympathetic ===
== Most Sympathetic ==
* [[Hero Antagonist]]s
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* [[Hero Antagonist|Hero Antagonists]]
** [[Sympathetic Inspector Antagonist]]
** [[Sympathetic Inspector Antagonist]]
** [[Inspector Javert]]
** [[Inspector Javert]]
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*** [[Goldfish Poop Gang]]
*** [[Goldfish Poop Gang]]
** [[Worthy Opponent]]
** [[Worthy Opponent]]
** The [[Hero With an F In Good]] needs to stay around here or above to remain plausible as a good guy.
** The [[Hero with an F In Good]] needs to stay around here or above to remain plausible as a good guy.
** The [[Minion With an F In Evil]] usually goes here.
** The [[Minion with an F In Evil]] usually goes here.
** [[Noble Demon]]
** [[Noble Demon]]
** If you're going to [[Bait the Dog]], the reveal of the villain's actual alignment needs to be at this level or below to get the proper 'punch'.
** If you're going to [[Bait the Dog]], the reveal of the villain's actual alignment needs to be at this level or below to get the proper 'punch'.
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** [[Hate Sink]] usually falls here in terms of vileness, even without being a true antagonist.
** [[Hate Sink]] usually falls here in terms of vileness, even without being a true antagonist.
** [[Put Them All Out of My Misery]] usually settles about here.
** [[Put Them All Out of My Misery]] usually settles about here.
** [[Wild Card|Wild Cards]] must remain above this point if he or she wants to remain plausible as a good guy (or at least a facsimile thereof) later on.
** [[Wild Card]]s must remain above this point if he or she wants to remain plausible as a good guy (or at least a facsimile thereof) later on.
** [[Smug Snake]]
** [[Smug Snake]]
** [[Nietzsche Wannabe]] (the villainous variety)
** [[Nietzsche Wannabe]] (the villainous variety)
** [[Obviously Evil]]
** [[Obviously Evil]]
** [[Bigger Bad]] (such as [[God of Evil]]) needs to be at or below this point to be taken credibly as a source of all evil (unless they're on a [[Sugar Bowl]] or such where 'all evil' means that they want [[Poke the Poodle|to cancel Christmas]]), though because of their tendency of being an [[Orcus On His Throne]] even the reality-destroying Eldritch Abomination might come across ''less'' vile than the ordinary [[Big Bad]].
** [[Bigger Bad]] (such as [[God of Evil]]) needs to be at or below this point to be taken credibly as a source of all evil (unless they're on a [[Sugar Bowl]] or such where 'all evil' means that they want [[Poke the Poodle|to cancel Christmas]]), though because of their tendency of being an [[Orcus on His Throne]] even the reality-destroying Eldritch Abomination might come across ''less'' vile than the ordinary [[Big Bad]].
* Characters likely to cross the [[Moral Event Horizon]]
* Characters likely to cross the [[Moral Event Horizon]]
** [[Faux Affably Evil]]
** [[Faux Affably Evil]]
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** [[Psycho for Hire]]
** [[Psycho for Hire]]
* Any antagonist who has already crossed the [[Moral Event Horizon]]:
* Any antagonist who has already crossed the [[Moral Event Horizon]]:
** With few exceptions, any villain serious that [[Dystopia Justifies the Means]] is a [[Complete Monster]], though the reverse is not true; even [[Rape Is a Special Kind of Evil|serial rapists]], [[Omnicidal Maniac|Omnicidal Maniacs]], and [[Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking|people who play very loud, annoying music on the bus]] [[Even Evil Has Standards|won't take it]] ''[[Even Evil Has Standards|that]]'' [[Even Evil Has Standards|far]]. This is usually reserved as a motivation for [[Bigger Bad|Bigger Bads]] and the [[God of Evil]] when they decide to take off the kid gloves.
** With few exceptions, any villain serious that [[Dystopia Justifies the Means]] is a [[Complete Monster]], though the reverse is not true; even [[Rape Is a Special Kind of Evil|serial rapists]], [[Omnicidal Maniac]]s, and [[Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking|people who play very loud, annoying music on the bus]] [[Even Evil Has Standards|won't take it]] ''[[Even Evil Has Standards|that]]'' [[Even Evil Has Standards|far]]. This is usually reserved as a motivation for [[Bigger Bad]]s and the [[God of Evil]] when they decide to take off the kid gloves.
** [[Complete Monster]] - By definition, the least sympathetic character possible. Note that not all characters who cross the [[Moral Event Horizon]] are necessarily [[Complete Monster|Complete Monsters]].
** [[Complete Monster]] - By definition, the least sympathetic character possible. Note that not all characters who cross the [[Moral Event Horizon]] are necessarily [[Complete Monster]]s.
== Least Sympathetic ==
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=== Least Sympathetic ===
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==== Tropes that are orthogonal to this Scale, have too variable a position to be located specifically, or are position changing without having a particular position to call its own: ====
=== Tropes that are orthogonal to this Scale, have too variable a position to be located specifically, or are position changing without having a particular position to call its own ===


* [[Mook|Mooks]] can fit anywhere along this scale, but rarely make it all the way to the bottom, since they don't usually represent a serious threat. [[Elite Mook|Elite Mooks]] excepted, of course, as are mooks seen committing atrocities like mass murder and rape with a smile on their face.
* [[Mook]]s can fit anywhere along this scale, but rarely make it all the way to the bottom, since they don't usually represent a serious threat. [[Elite Mook]]s excepted, of course, as are mooks seen committing atrocities like mass murder and rape with a smile on their face.
* [[Card-Carrying Villain|Card Carrying Villains]] can be anything from [[Anti-Villain]] to [[Complete Monster]].
* [[Card-Carrying Villain|Card Carrying Villains]] can be anything from [[Anti-Villain]] to [[Complete Monster]].
** Likewise for [[Mad Scientist|Mad Scientists]], otherwise they'd just be [[The Professor]] or the [[Eccentric Mentor]].
** Likewise for [[Mad Scientist]]s, otherwise they'd just be [[The Professor]] or the [[Eccentric Mentor]].
* Given that the [[Magnificent Bastard]] is more about style, Magnificent Bastards can fall anywhere above the [[Moral Event Horizon]] on this scale, although, again, since he's all about style, the Bastard in question is probably a bit higher on the scale than he would otherwise be. Similarly with [[Evil Is Cool]] and related tropes.
* Given that the [[Magnificent Bastard]] is more about style, Magnificent Bastards can fall anywhere above the [[Moral Event Horizon]] on this scale, although, again, since he's all about style, the Bastard in question is probably a bit higher on the scale than he would otherwise be. Similarly with [[Evil Is Cool]] and related tropes.
** Even so, there are some rare instances of [[Ultimate Evil]] and [[Complete Monster|Complete Monsters]] getting this status all the same if they're ''exceptionally'' stylish or cunning.
** Even so, there are some rare instances of [[Ultimate Evil]] and [[Complete Monster]]s getting this status all the same if they're ''exceptionally'' stylish or cunning.
* [[Those Two Bad Guys]] and the [[Quirky Miniboss Squad]] can be anything from [[Harmless Villain|Harmless Villains]] to [[Complete Monster|Complete Monsters]].
* [[Those Two Bad Guys]] and the [[Quirky Miniboss Squad]] can be anything from [[Harmless Villain]]s to [[Complete Monster]]s.
* The [[Villain Protagonist]] technically does not fall on this scale, as he is, by definition, a Protagonist, rather than an Antagonist. Nevertheless, he can likewise fall anywhere from the start of [[Anti-Villain]] all the way down to [[Complete Monster]].
* The [[Villain Protagonist]] technically does not fall on this scale, as he is, by definition, a Protagonist, rather than an Antagonist. Nevertheless, he can likewise fall anywhere from the start of [[Anti-Villain]] all the way down to [[Complete Monster]].
* A [[Laughably Evil]] villain can gain sympathy despite being close to the "bad" end of the scale.
* A [[Laughably Evil]] villain can gain sympathy despite being close to the "bad" end of the scale.
* [[Even Evil Has Standards]] can pull upwards on the scale, though anyone below the [[Moral Event Horizon]] will (usually) come across as a [[Hypocrite]] for attempting this.
* [[Even Evil Has Standards]] can pull upwards on the scale, though anyone below the [[Moral Event Horizon]] will (usually) come across as a [[Hypocrite]] for attempting this.
* An [[Omnicidal Maniac]] can be as high as [[Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds]], all the way down to [[Complete Monster|Complete Monsterdom]].
* An [[Omnicidal Maniac]] can be as high as [[Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds]], all the way down to [[Complete Monster]]dom.
** Likewise, a [[Dark Messiah]] can lie anywhere from [[Well-Intentioned Extremist]] all the way to [[Complete Monster]] as well.
** Likewise, a [[Dark Messiah]] can lie anywhere from [[Well-Intentioned Extremist]] all the way to [[Complete Monster]] as well.
* [[Kick the Dog]] is a standard behavior for Ordinary Villainy and below, while those above it have an increasing chance to be seen with a [[Pet the Dog]] moment.
* [[Kick the Dog]] is a standard behavior for Ordinary Villainy and below, while those above it have an increasing chance to be seen with a [[Pet the Dog]] moment.
* A good [[Freudian Excuse]] may pull a villain upward on the scale, but [[Complete Monster|Complete Monsterdom]], by definition, means that no [[Freudian Excuse]] can absolve them; sometimes the villain is savvy enough to have an excuse and not care about it as well.
* A good [[Freudian Excuse]] may pull a villain upward on the scale, but [[Complete Monster]]dom, by definition, means that no [[Freudian Excuse]] can absolve them; sometimes the villain is savvy enough to have an excuse and not care about it as well.
* A [[Visionary Villain]] can be of any degree of vileness, but always has a provocative goal and plans to achieve them.
* A [[Visionary Villain]] can be of any degree of vileness, but always has a provocative goal and plans to achieve them.
* [[Affably Evil]] characters average out near the bottom of [[Anti-Villain]] territory, but can be anything from a [[Hero With an F In Good]] to a [[Complete Monster]] [[Villain With Good Publicity|with gentlemanly manners]].
* [[Affably Evil]] characters average out near the bottom of [[Anti-Villain]] territory, but can be anything from a [[Hero with an F In Good]] to a [[Complete Monster]] [[Villain with Good Publicity|with gentlemanly manners]].
* A [[Villain With Good Publicity]] will tend to be lower than they normally would be because of their tendency to [[Karma Houdini|get away with their crimes]].
* A [[Villain with Good Publicity]] will tend to be lower than they normally would be because of their tendency to [[Karma Houdini|get away with their crimes]].
* If [[Betty and Veronica|Betty or Veronica]] is the protagonist, the other will often be the antagonist. Can go anywhere from [[The Rival]] to [[Complete Monster]], depending on how driven she is.
* If [[Betty and Veronica|Betty or Veronica]] is the protagonist, the other will often be the antagonist. Can go anywhere from [[The Rival]] to [[Complete Monster]], depending on how driven she is.
* Any antagonist with [[Arson, Murder, and Admiration]] in his resume is probably on the Sillier side of the [[Sliding Scale of Silliness Versus Seriousness]], and thus probably pulled upward on the scale. Of course, [[Beware the Silly Ones]] can apply in this case.
* Any antagonist with [[Arson, Murder, and Admiration]] in his resume is probably on the Sillier side of the [[Sliding Scale of Silliness Versus Seriousness]], and thus probably pulled upward on the scale. Of course, [[Beware the Silly Ones]] can apply in this case.
* [[Must Make Amends]], [[Villainous BSOD]], and [[My God, What Have I Done?]] can pull a villain upwards on the scale, though obviously more evil villains tend to be more immune to these effects.
* [[Must Make Amends]], [[Villainous BSOD]], and [[My God, What Have I Done?]] can pull a villain upwards on the scale, though obviously more evil villains tend to be more immune to these effects.
* Just the simple passage of time can push a villain [[Fair for Its Day|up the scale]] or [[Values Dissonance|screaming downwards]].
* Just the simple passage of time can push a villain [[Fair for Its Day|up the scale]] or [[Values Dissonance|screaming downwards]].
* A villain that is a [[General Failure]], [[Pointy-Haired Boss]], and/or a [[Stupid Boss]] makes weaksauce villains more vile and more blackhearted villains less so -- malicious stupidity reduces your sympathy but also reduces your threat, pushing you towards the middle.
* A villain that is a [[General Failure]], [[Pointy-Haired Boss]], and/or a [[Stupid Boss]] makes weaksauce villains more vile and more blackhearted villains less so—malicious stupidity reduces your sympathy but also reduces your threat, pushing you towards the middle.
* The [[Opposing Sports Team]] can be anywhere from the very top to the very bottom, though it's rare for them to go below [[Smug Snake]] status in less comedic stories.
* The [[Opposing Sports Team]] can be anywhere from the very top to the very bottom, though it's rare for them to go below [[Smug Snake]] status in less comedic stories.
* Beware of using [[The War On Straw|strawmen]] for blackening your villains; if the audience finds out, they'll often get pushed upwards further than you like, especially if they make an [[Straw Man Has a Point|especially good point]] or their belief system [[What Do You Mean It's Not Heinous?|isn't even that bad]].
* Beware of using [[The War On Straw|strawmen]] for blackening your villains; if the audience finds out, they'll often get pushed upwards further than you like, especially if they make an [[Straw Man Has a Point|especially good point]] or their belief system [[What Do You Mean It's Not Heinous?|isn't even that bad]].
* [[Villain Decay]], if especially humiliating or prolonged, will slowly cause a villain to float up to [[Harmless Villain]] if left unchecked; particularly powerful applications of this trope have even [[Badass Decay|wimpified]] otherwise [[Complete Monster|Complete Monsters]] such as [[8-Bit Theater (Webcomic)|Black Mage]] and [[Silence of the Lambs|Hannibal Lecter]].
* [[Villain Decay]], if especially humiliating or prolonged, will slowly cause a villain to float up to [[Harmless Villain]] if left unchecked; particularly powerful applications of this trope have even [[Badass Decay|wimpified]] otherwise [[Complete Monster]]s such as [[8-Bit Theater|Black Mage]] and [[Silence of the Lambs|Hannibal Lecter]].
* If an antagonist is also holding the title of [[The Scrappy]], they can be pushed either upwards or downwards depending on what they're being hated for. Unfortunately even in the 'redeeming' case of this it won't reduce the audience's overall hatred towards them, just the perceived vileness component of that hatred.
* If an antagonist is also holding the title of [[The Scrappy]], they can be pushed either upwards or downwards depending on what they're being hated for. Unfortunately even in the 'redeeming' case of this it won't reduce the audience's overall hatred towards them, just the perceived vileness component of that hatred.
* A [[Knight of Cerebus]] almost never strays above [[Noble Demon]] in order to provide the sufficient seriousness needed for their [[Mood Whiplash]]--curiously, the only exception to this are [[Sadist Show|Sadist Shows]] that embrace their [[Black and Grey Morality]] which will often have a [[Hero Antagonist]] available as one to highlight [[Crapsack World|just how twisted things are]].
* A [[Knight of Cerebus]] almost never strays above [[Noble Demon]] in order to provide the sufficient seriousness needed for their [[Mood Whiplash]]—curiously, the only exception to this are [[Sadist Show]]s that embrace their [[Black and Grey Morality]] which will often have a [[Hero Antagonist]] available as one to highlight [[Crapsack World|just how twisted things are]].
* A [[Token Evil Teammate]], if they're the kind that cause trouble, hover around the middle of the scale. Too high up makes their evilness an [[Informed Attribute]], too low can induce some serious [[Moral Dissonance]] as to why the heroes put up with such a bastard.
* A [[Token Evil Teammate]], if they're the kind that cause trouble, hover around the middle of the scale. Too high up makes their evilness an [[Informed Attribute]], too low can induce some serious [[Moral Dissonance]] as to why the heroes put up with such a bastard.
* Shows with [[Black and Grey Morality]] tend to reduce the vileness of [[Hero Antagonist|Hero Antagonists]] or [[Anti-Villain|Anti Villains]]; it's just hard to get worked up over a villain's plan to [[Rushmore Refacement|carve his face into the side of a mountain]] when the hero has to regularly resort to machine-gunning robbers in broad daylight.
* Shows with [[Black and Grey Morality]] tend to reduce the vileness of [[Hero Antagonist]]s or [[Anti-Villain|Anti Villains]]; it's just hard to get worked up over a villain's plan to [[Rushmore Refacement|carve his face into the side of a mountain]] when the hero has to regularly resort to machine-gunning robbers in broad daylight.
* Likewise, shows with [[Grey and White Morality]] rarely have more than one or two instances (usually the [[Big Bad]]) where the antagonists stray below [[Well-Intentioned Extremist]].
* Likewise, shows with [[Grey and White Morality]] rarely have more than one or two instances (usually the [[Big Bad]]) where the antagonists stray below [[Well-Intentioned Extremist]].
* Due to [[Good Lawyers, Good Clients]], even if the [[Amoral Attorney]] is perfectly law-abiding and ethical they often end up being an accidental proxy for their client's vileness if they get justice for anyone on the Ordinary Villain scale or below. Outside of that though it's rare for an [[Amoral Attorney]] to personally do the deeds that would even skirt the [[Moral Event Horizon]]--they tend to bend the law, not break it.
* Due to [[Good Lawyers, Good Clients]], even if the [[Amoral Attorney]] is perfectly law-abiding and ethical they often end up being an accidental proxy for their client's vileness if they get justice for anyone on the Ordinary Villain scale or below. Outside of that though it's rare for an [[Amoral Attorney]] to personally do the deeds that would even skirt the [[Moral Event Horizon]]—they tend to bend the law, not break it.
* A [[Knight Templar]] can either be [[Anti-Villain|higher]] or [[Complete Monster|lower]] on the scale, depending on how deluded or extreme they are. [[Black and Grey Morality|In particularly]] [[Evil Versus Evil|dark stories]], a [[Moral Event Horizon]] is very likely, but in more idealistic works, they may be [[Anti-Villain|Anti Villains]].
* A [[Knight Templar]] can either be [[Anti-Villain|higher]] or [[Complete Monster|lower]] on the scale, depending on how deluded or extreme they are. [[Black and Grey Morality|In particularly]] [[Evil Versus Evil|dark stories]], a [[Moral Event Horizon]] is very likely, but in more idealistic works, they may be [[Anti-Villain|Anti Villains]].
* While a [[Babysitter From Hell]]'s rap sheet leads off with "[[Would Hurt a Child]]," they can range from [[Complete Monster]] all the way to the top of the [[Anti-Villain]] section.
* While a [[Babysitter From Hell]]'s rap sheet leads off with "[[Would Hurt a Child]]," they can range from [[Complete Monster]] all the way to the top of the [[Anti-Villain]] section.
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Latest revision as of 16:18, 6 September 2019

An antagonist can be classed on three orthogonal parameters:

This is a method of quantifying that third one.

Note that the below list is a very rough scale; any given character may fall higher or lower on this list depending on context, regardless of what tropes describe him. Many character types are very broad, so the positions below should represent an approximate average; some individual characters are subversions who turn out to be something significantly different from the stereotype of their type of villain.

An interesting feature of this is that the more evil a villain is the less vile he may appear to be, compared to other villains in the story, the logic being that a truly Despicable villain is someone we hate and revile, while a truly Evil villain is dangerous and to be feared- we care less about what happens to him and are satisfied that something does, if only to end his reign of terror.

See also Sliding Scale of Anti-Heroes, for the bottom end of the Protagonist version of this list. See Likable Villain for a classification of reasons why not all villains are vile ones.


Examples of Sliding Scale of Antagonist Vileness include:

The sliding scale is roughly as follows:

Most Sympathetic

Least Sympathetic


Tropes that are orthogonal to this Scale, have too variable a position to be located specifically, or are position changing without having a particular position to call its own