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*** [[Goldfish Poop Gang]]
*** [[Goldfish Poop Gang]]
** [[Worthy Opponent]]
** [[Worthy Opponent]]
** The [[Hero With an F In Good]] needs to stay around here or above to remain plausible as a good guy.
** The [[Hero with an F In Good]] needs to stay around here or above to remain plausible as a good guy.
** The [[Minion With an F In Evil]] usually goes here.
** The [[Minion with an F In Evil]] usually goes here.
** [[Noble Demon]]
** [[Noble Demon]]
** If you're going to [[Bait the Dog]], the reveal of the villain's actual alignment needs to be at this level or below to get the proper 'punch'.
** If you're going to [[Bait the Dog]], the reveal of the villain's actual alignment needs to be at this level or below to get the proper 'punch'.
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** [[Nietzsche Wannabe]] (the villainous variety)
** [[Nietzsche Wannabe]] (the villainous variety)
** [[Obviously Evil]]
** [[Obviously Evil]]
** [[Bigger Bad]] (such as [[God of Evil]]) needs to be at or below this point to be taken credibly as a source of all evil (unless they're on a [[Sugar Bowl]] or such where 'all evil' means that they want [[Poke the Poodle|to cancel Christmas]]), though because of their tendency of being an [[Orcus On His Throne]] even the reality-destroying Eldritch Abomination might come across ''less'' vile than the ordinary [[Big Bad]].
** [[Bigger Bad]] (such as [[God of Evil]]) needs to be at or below this point to be taken credibly as a source of all evil (unless they're on a [[Sugar Bowl]] or such where 'all evil' means that they want [[Poke the Poodle|to cancel Christmas]]), though because of their tendency of being an [[Orcus on His Throne]] even the reality-destroying Eldritch Abomination might come across ''less'' vile than the ordinary [[Big Bad]].
* Characters likely to cross the [[Moral Event Horizon]]
* Characters likely to cross the [[Moral Event Horizon]]
** [[Faux Affably Evil]]
** [[Faux Affably Evil]]
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* A good [[Freudian Excuse]] may pull a villain upward on the scale, but [[Complete Monster|Complete Monsterdom]], by definition, means that no [[Freudian Excuse]] can absolve them; sometimes the villain is savvy enough to have an excuse and not care about it as well.
* A good [[Freudian Excuse]] may pull a villain upward on the scale, but [[Complete Monster|Complete Monsterdom]], by definition, means that no [[Freudian Excuse]] can absolve them; sometimes the villain is savvy enough to have an excuse and not care about it as well.
* A [[Visionary Villain]] can be of any degree of vileness, but always has a provocative goal and plans to achieve them.
* A [[Visionary Villain]] can be of any degree of vileness, but always has a provocative goal and plans to achieve them.
* [[Affably Evil]] characters average out near the bottom of [[Anti-Villain]] territory, but can be anything from a [[Hero With an F In Good]] to a [[Complete Monster]] [[Villain With Good Publicity|with gentlemanly manners]].
* [[Affably Evil]] characters average out near the bottom of [[Anti-Villain]] territory, but can be anything from a [[Hero with an F In Good]] to a [[Complete Monster]] [[Villain with Good Publicity|with gentlemanly manners]].
* A [[Villain With Good Publicity]] will tend to be lower than they normally would be because of their tendency to [[Karma Houdini|get away with their crimes]].
* A [[Villain with Good Publicity]] will tend to be lower than they normally would be because of their tendency to [[Karma Houdini|get away with their crimes]].
* If [[Betty and Veronica|Betty or Veronica]] is the protagonist, the other will often be the antagonist. Can go anywhere from [[The Rival]] to [[Complete Monster]], depending on how driven she is.
* If [[Betty and Veronica|Betty or Veronica]] is the protagonist, the other will often be the antagonist. Can go anywhere from [[The Rival]] to [[Complete Monster]], depending on how driven she is.
* Any antagonist with [[Arson, Murder, and Admiration]] in his resume is probably on the Sillier side of the [[Sliding Scale of Silliness Versus Seriousness]], and thus probably pulled upward on the scale. Of course, [[Beware the Silly Ones]] can apply in this case.
* Any antagonist with [[Arson, Murder, and Admiration]] in his resume is probably on the Sillier side of the [[Sliding Scale of Silliness Versus Seriousness]], and thus probably pulled upward on the scale. Of course, [[Beware the Silly Ones]] can apply in this case.

Revision as of 20:48, 9 April 2014

An antagonist can be classed on three orthogonal parameters:

This is a method of quantifying that third one.

Note that the below list is a very rough scale; any given character may fall higher or lower on this list depending on context, regardless of what tropes describe him. Many character types are very broad, so the positions below should represent an approximate average; some individual characters are subversions who turn out to be something significantly different from the stereotype of their type of villain.

An interesting feature of this is that the more evil a villain is the less vile he may appear to be, compared to other villains in the story, the logic being that a truly Despicable villain is someone we hate and revile, while a truly Evil villain is dangerous and to be feared- we care less about what happens to him and are satisfied that something does, if only to end his reign of terror.

See also Sliding Scale of Anti-Heroes, for the bottom end of the Protagonist version of this list. See Likable Villain for a classification of reasons why not all villains are vile ones.


The sliding scale is roughly as follows:

Most Sympathetic

Least Sympathetic


Tropes that are orthogonal to this Scale, have too variable a position to be located specifically, or are position changing without having a particular position to call its own: