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{{quote|''"TVTropes is allegedly a site where people look at the common tropes found in the media. What TVTropes does not do is actually analyze anything and it has mostly become a toxic community of constant fanboy wanking. Come, tell your horror stories."'' |
{{quote|''"TVTropes is allegedly a site where people look at the common tropes found in the media. What TVTropes does not do is actually analyze anything and it has mostly become a toxic community of constant [[Fan Dumb|fanboy wanking]]. Come, tell your horror stories."'' |
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'''[http://fucknotvtropes.tumblr.com/ Fuck No TVTropes]''' |
'''[http://fucknotvtropes.tumblr.com/ Fuck No TVTropes]''' was a [[Tumblr]] blog that mostly served as a community submission blog of things others found horrible about [[TV Tropes]]. As a fork of the site, [[All The Tropes]] also caught their attention and was criticized whenever applicable as well.<ref>And when the criticism was valid and not just "tropers are icky", we have addressed matters.</ref> The blog’s moderator, Mark, did occasionally make posts of his own. |
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The blog is |
The blog is long abandoned, with the most recent post from 2019 explaining that the author wished to waste no more time critiquing tropes sites, having moved on to more productive ventures (the post before that one was from March 2016). Most if not all of the posts survived [[Think of the Advertisers!|the great "cleanup" of Tumblr]] in December 2018. |
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* [[Abusive Parents]]: Joked about when |
* [[Abusive Parents]]: Joked about when Mark answered a question about [http://fucknotvtropes.tumblr.com/post/118036086064/are-you-a-hardcore-anime-fan-or-a-casual how he became a casual anime watcher]. |
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{{quote|''"I was so much of a weeaboo back in high school that my parents sent me to a camp run by Marcus Bachmann to make me normal. Now I'm more casual."''}} |
{{quote|''"I was so much of a weeaboo back in high school that my parents sent me to a camp run by Marcus Bachmann to make me normal. Now I'm more casual."''}} |
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* [[Accentuate the Negative]]: Per the blog's nature and title, |
* [[Accentuate the Negative]]: Per the blog's nature and title. While far from ''exclusively'' negative, the blog was criticized as blaming TV Tropes for behavior that didn't directly occur there (but might, say, have a basis in behavior that originated there), as well as hanging its hat on [[Fan Wank]] that was already widely-mocked while acknowledging the site attempts to correct that behavior. Despite this, and in spite of its vitriol, the blog does also offer the occasional note of praise; see [[Pet the Dog]] below in particular. |
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* [[Aesop Amnesia]]: When ''[[Inspector Spacetime]]'' made it to TV Tropes's [[Nightmare Fuel|High Octane Nightmare Fuel]] page, FNTVT noted that the tropers didn't learn their lesson from the ''[[SpongeBob SquarePants |
* [[Aesop Amnesia]]: When ''[[Inspector Spacetime]]'' made it to TV Tropes's [[Nightmare Fuel|High Octane Nightmare Fuel]] page, FNTVT noted that the tropers didn't learn their lesson from the ''Ugly Barnacle'' incident (where a joke work page was created for a two-sentence "story" from ''[[SpongeBob SquarePants]]'' and before long became [[Serious Business]]). |
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* [[Banned On TV Tropes]]: Averted - when a page was made on TV Tropes for the blog back in 2014, it was left up despite being overtly (and in some opinions overly) critical of the site. When it ''did'' get cut in 2017, it was done without locking as part of a general cleanup effort regarding websites that lacked narratives to be "properly" troped, rather than any attempts at censorship. |
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* [[Better Than New]]: When TV Tropes came under new ownership, they made some tweaks and design changes to improve the layout of the site. [https://fucknotvtropes.tumblr.com/post/107561454101/you-know-what-i-looks-a-lot-better-than-the-old |
* [[Better Than New]]: When TV Tropes came under new ownership, they made some tweaks and design changes to improve the layout of the site. This resulted in Mark [https://fucknotvtropes.tumblr.com/post/107561454101/you-know-what-i-looks-a-lot-better-than-the-old giving them some rare praise]: |
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{{quote|''"Congrats, new mods. You're much more competent at website layout than the old mods."''}} |
{{quote|''"Congrats, new mods. You're much more competent at website layout than the old mods."''}} |
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⚫ | * [[Brain Bleach]] / [["No. Just... No" Reaction]]: A common reaction to the subjects of several posts, particularly the fact that TV Tropes' [[Incest Subtext]] and [[Incest Yay Shipping]] pages once had [https://fucknotvtropes.tumblr.com/post/96665242876/pages-like-incest-subtext-and-incest-yay-shipping sections for flesh-and-blood] [[Real Life]] people. |
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* [[Brain Bleach]]: Numerous examples: |
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** [https://fucknotvtropes.tumblr.com/post/128415692786/just-when-i-think-ive-found-the-last-of-tv-tropes Another example insisted that] [[Series of Unfortunate Events|Violet and Klaus working together to survive their evil uncle's traps]] [[Insane Troll Logic|counts as "incest subtext".]] |
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** The ''[[Rugrats]]'' page of TV Tropes had a ridiculous yet detailed entry about [http://fucknotvtropes.tumblr.com/post/119862598177/so-i-was-looking-at-the-main-page-on-rugrats-its Phil and Lil's "Incest Subtext."] Starting to notice a pattern? |
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** One unfortunate sod dove too deep into the Fetish Fuel side of TV Tropes, [http://fucknotvtropes.tumblr.com/post/119949366645/please-kill-me-ive-been-to-the-fetish-fuel-wiki and begged for death]. Bogleech also ventured to TV Tropes's ''[[My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic]]'' Fetish Fuel pages, and well...: |
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{{quote|''"Five seconds, I've been on the page for five seconds. And do you know what I see? Without even having to scroll down?[https://fucknotvtropes.tumblr.com/post/106640630096/five-seconds-ive-been-on-the-page-for-five THE ABYSS. THE ABYSS IS STARING AT ME]."''}} |
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* [[Brutal Honesty]]: The blog author does not sugarcoat anything. If the troping world does something wrong/horrible, it will be called on it in no uncertain terms. |
* [[Brutal Honesty]]: The blog author does not sugarcoat anything. If the troping world does something wrong/horrible, it will be called on it in no uncertain terms. |
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* [[Hates Everyone Equally|Criticizes Everyone Equally]]: |
* [[Hates Everyone Equally|Criticizes Everyone Equally]]: The author also does not play favorites - a troping website that does something horrible will be called out, this one included. [https://fucknotvtropes.tumblr.com/post/115678160350/ Mark in particular notes] that he made the blog for "people who do like TV Tropes and feel like there's something that needs to be fixed or for people who have been hurt by the community," and kept it submission-based for the purpose of acting as a 'pseudo-mediator' and watchdog. |
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** [[Bile Fascination]]: Specifically averted, as Mark doesn't want to come off as "a weirdo who spends all day chronicling each and every single thing wrong with the site." |
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* [[Damned By Faint Praise]]: The blog author, after being asked if there's anything he likes about TV Tropes, |
* [[Damned By Faint Praise]]: The blog author, after being asked if there's anything he likes about TV Tropes, had this to say.<!--Source for this would be nice--> |
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''{{quote|I suppose a good aspect would be how they kept all the subpages on the top of the pages. That way you won’t have to go through the entire article looking for a link to their character page.}}'' |
''{{quote|I suppose a good aspect would be how they kept all the subpages on the top of the pages. That way you won’t have to go through the entire article looking for a link to their character page.}}'' |
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* [[Deadpan Snarker]]: Many of the conversations and responses by |
* [[Deadpan Snarker]]: Many of the conversations and responses by Mark, as well as several of the submissions. |
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{{quote|''"...If you stare into the abyss of DeviantART, it stares back."''}} |
{{quote|''"...If you stare into the abyss of DeviantART, it stares back."''}} |
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* [[Did Not Do the Research]]: |
* [[Did Not Do the Research]]: Mark notes that he should look up things more often before replying to asks; this came after a series of posts concerning ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]''. [http://fucknotvtropes.tumblr.com/post/133412842579/honestly-neptunia-isnt-creepy-loli-anime He didn't trust the art style, and the series had been inaccurately characterized as porn], prompting him to look into it and learn that it was just a [[Moe Anthropomorphism]] of game consoles having adventures that was incredibly [[Fanservice]]y at worst. |
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* [[Everyone Has Standards]]: When asked to make a cousin to "Fuck No TV Tropes" about [[DeviantArt]]'s [https://fucknotvtropes.tumblr.com/post/115679608680/oh-do-make-a-blog-similar-to-this-one-about darkness], |
* [[Everyone Has Standards]]: When asked to make a cousin to "Fuck No TV Tropes" about [[DeviantArt]]'s [https://fucknotvtropes.tumblr.com/post/115679608680/oh-do-make-a-blog-similar-to-this-one-about darkness], Mark refused, stating that "he'll die after three posts" and that many have tried. He also cited a lack of interest; [https://fucknotvtropes.tumblr.com/faq in the blog's FAQ], he states that dA and other sites have a way to avoid the worse segments of their communities (with the implication that doing a similar blog would mean [[Bile Fascination|actively searching for them]]). Due to TVTropes and its nature as a wiki, [[Accentuate the Negative|the products of the site's worst are more likely to be shown at the forefront, and thus reflect poorly on ''everyone'' involved]]. That, and he'd also probably "be dead within a few weeks" if he tried a similar blog for dA. |
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** Mark also displayed a similar lack of interest [https://fucknotvtropes.tumblr.com/faq in the blog's FAQ], stating that dA and other sites have a way to avoid the worse segments of their communities (with the implication that doing a similar blog would mean [[Bile Fascination|actively searching for them]]); due to TVTropes and its nature as a wiki, the worst parts of the site are more likely to show at the forefront and thus reflect poorly on ''everyone'' involved - that, and he'd also probably "be dead within a few weeks" if he tried a similar blog for dA. |
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{{quote|''"It means that my list of priorities goes like this: 1. Dinosaurs 2. [[Pokémon]] 3. RuPaul's Drag Race 4. Shitty Fan Fiction 5. My personal appearance 6. Everything else."''}} |
{{quote|''"It means that my list of priorities goes like this: 1. Dinosaurs 2. [[Pokémon]] 3. RuPaul's Drag Race 4. Shitty Fan Fiction 5. My personal appearance 6. Everything else."''}} |
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* [[Fan Wank]]: A major focus of the blog's criticisms. |
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* [[Feminism]]: The author [http://fucknotvtropes.tumblr.com/post/122963674906/how-many-mods-run-this-blog-do-they-consider considers himself a feminist]. |
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* [[Future Imperfect]]: |
* [[Future Imperfect]]: Mark jokingly hopes that a thousand years into the future, [https://fucknotvtropes.tumblr.com/post/122960771786/there-are-more-pages-on-tvtropes-about-different archaeologists won't view Twilight Sparkle and Rainbow Dash] as some sort of Ancient [[Mesopotamian Mythology|Mesopotamian Gods]] because of the abundance of TV Tropes' articles on MLP's different fanfiction genres. |
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* [[Insane Troll Logic]]: The blog frequently lampoons the lengths some users go to in order to justify adding certain examples, as well as other examples of tropers being seriously out of touch with reality. |
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** Highlights include [https://fucknotvtropes.tumblr.com/post/128415692786/just-when-i-think-ive-found-the-last-of-tv-tropes a theory that claimed] the "obvious" existence of [[Twincest]] [[Incest Subtext|Subtext]] between Violet and Klaus from ''[[A Series of Unfortunate Events]]''. |
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* [[Kill It with Fire]]: |
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{{quote|''"I'd probably go all [[Tabula Rasa]] on it and fire everyone. I have never heard one good story about any mod on TV Tropes, period."''}} |
{{quote|''"I'd probably go all [[Tabula Rasa]] on it and fire everyone. I have never heard one good story about any mod on TV Tropes, period."''}} |
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* [[La Résistance]]: The author's reaction when [http://fucknotvtropes.tumblr.com/post/93344308716/a-few-weeks-months-back-after-somebody-asked the blog got its own TV Tropes page, |
* [[La Résistance]]: The author's reaction when [http://fucknotvtropes.tumblr.com/post/93344308716/a-few-weeks-months-back-after-somebody-asked the blog got its own TV Tropes page], and said page survived for some months; then-administrator Fast Eddie [http://fucknotvtropes.tumblr.com/post/93372064151/holy-crap-go-to-the-history-tab-for-you-blogs even cleaned the page up a bit] while leaving the blog's criticism intact. |
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{{quote|''"Viva la revolución."''}} |
{{quote|''"Viva la revolución."''}} |
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* [[Nostalgia Filter]]: |
* [[Nostalgia Filter]]: Another common criticism of example placement, and cited in particular in response to someone [https://fucknotvtropes.tumblr.com/post/138227139237/who-in-their-right-mind-would-put-duke-nukem-under asking who in their right mind] would place ''[[Duke Nukem]]'' on the [[Fair for Its Day]] page. |
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* [[Orphaned Series]]: The blog |
* [[Orphaned Series]]: The blog has been inactive since the last ask answered in March 2016. In March of 2019, [https://fucknotvtropes.tumblr.com/post/183144173441/update Mark posted a final update] that clarified why he'd abandoned the blog: as much fun as he'd had taking the site down a peg, he eventually realized that, in his opinion, he was holding the site up to an unreasonable standard it could never truly meet, and had more productive things to invest his time in. |
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* [[Pet the Dog]]: In spite of criticizing it as well, the blog has recommended All The Tropes as an alternative to the site multiple times. The FAQ also states not to vandalize TVTropes pages, instead giving tips on how to actually improve the site and provide actual analysis. |
* [[Pet the Dog]]: In spite of criticizing it as well, the blog has recommended All The Tropes as an alternative to the site multiple times. The FAQ also states not to vandalize TVTropes pages, instead giving tips on how to actually improve the site and provide actual analysis. |
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** The author acknowledges when TVT realizes that [http://fucknotvtropes.tumblr.com/post/126764370923/ill-be-fair-at-least-tv-tropes-realizes-they underage characters were ending up in the "Memetic Sex God" and that they have to do huge cleanups]. |
** The author acknowledges when TVT realizes that [http://fucknotvtropes.tumblr.com/post/126764370923/ill-be-fair-at-least-tv-tropes-realizes-they underage characters were ending up in the "Memetic Sex God" and that they have to do huge cleanups]. |
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{{quote|MOD Note: Shimaspawn's doing God's work right now.}} |
{{quote|MOD Note: Shimaspawn's doing God's work right now.}} |
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:* Mark also reminded those that have issues with TV Tropes to just leave criticism at Fighteer's [[YouTube]] videos, not '''death threats'''. [https://fucknotvtropes.tumblr.com/post/76300982742/fighteer Also, '''stay away from his son''']. |
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* [[Self-Insert Fic]]: |
* [[Self-Insert Fic]]: An anonymous asker [https://fucknotvtropes.tumblr.com/post/133416731577/the-fact-that-people-like-this-actually-exist-kind stating that "the misanthropic and moronic power fantasies of teenagers will always be with us"] is met with a reply joking about the Library of Alexandria's destruction in this manner, likely as a play on the misconception that such "cringy" writing could only exist in modern times. |
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{{quote|"Think of it this way: Now that the Library of Alexandria is gone, we don't have to read Sappho's self-insert [[Greek Mythology]] shipping fan fics.}} |
{{quote|"Think of it this way: Now that the Library of Alexandria is gone, we don't have to read Sappho's self-insert [[Greek Mythology]] shipping fan fics.}} |
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* [[Unperson]]: TVTropes has banned any and all mentions of the blog. |
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"TVTropes is allegedly a site where people look at the common tropes found in the media. What TVTropes does not do is actually analyze anything and it has mostly become a toxic community of constant fanboy wanking. Come, tell your horror stories." —Fuck No TVTropes's description
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Fuck No TVTropes was a Tumblr blog that mostly served as a community submission blog of things others found horrible about TV Tropes. As a fork of the site, All The Tropes also caught their attention and was criticized whenever applicable as well.[1] The blog’s moderator, Mark, did occasionally make posts of his own.
The blog is long abandoned, with the most recent post from 2019 explaining that the author wished to waste no more time critiquing tropes sites, having moved on to more productive ventures (the post before that one was from March 2016). Most if not all of the posts survived the great "cleanup" of Tumblr in December 2018.
- Abusive Parents: Joked about when Mark answered a question about how he became a casual anime watcher.
"I was so much of a weeaboo back in high school that my parents sent me to a camp run by Marcus Bachmann to make me normal. Now I'm more casual." |
- Accentuate the Negative: Per the blog's nature and title. While far from exclusively negative, the blog was criticized as blaming TV Tropes for behavior that didn't directly occur there (but might, say, have a basis in behavior that originated there), as well as hanging its hat on Fan Wank that was already widely-mocked while acknowledging the site attempts to correct that behavior. Despite this, and in spite of its vitriol, the blog does also offer the occasional note of praise; see Pet the Dog below in particular.
- Aesop Amnesia: When Inspector Spacetime made it to TV Tropes's High Octane Nightmare Fuel page, FNTVT noted that the tropers didn't learn their lesson from the Ugly Barnacle incident (where a joke work page was created for a two-sentence "story" from SpongeBob SquarePants and before long became Serious Business).
- Banned On TV Tropes: Averted - when a page was made on TV Tropes for the blog back in 2014, it was left up despite being overtly (and in some opinions overly) critical of the site. When it did get cut in 2017, it was done without locking as part of a general cleanup effort regarding websites that lacked narratives to be "properly" troped, rather than any attempts at censorship.
- Better Than New: When TV Tropes came under new ownership, they made some tweaks and design changes to improve the layout of the site. This resulted in Mark giving them some rare praise:
"Congrats, new mods. You're much more competent at website layout than the old mods." |
- Brain Bleach / "No. Just... No" Reaction: A common reaction to the subjects of several posts, particularly the fact that TV Tropes' Incest Subtext and Incest Yay Shipping pages once had sections for flesh-and-blood Real Life people.
- Brutal Honesty: The blog author does not sugarcoat anything. If the troping world does something wrong/horrible, it will be called on it in no uncertain terms.
- Criticizes Everyone Equally: The author also does not play favorites - a troping website that does something horrible will be called out, this one included. Mark in particular notes that he made the blog for "people who do like TV Tropes and feel like there's something that needs to be fixed or for people who have been hurt by the community," and kept it submission-based for the purpose of acting as a 'pseudo-mediator' and watchdog.
- Bile Fascination: Specifically averted, as Mark doesn't want to come off as "a weirdo who spends all day chronicling each and every single thing wrong with the site."
- Damned By Faint Praise: The blog author, after being asked if there's anything he likes about TV Tropes, had this to say.
I suppose a good aspect would be how they kept all the subpages on the top of the pages. That way you won’t have to go through the entire article looking for a link to their character page. |
- Deadpan Snarker: Many of the conversations and responses by Mark, as well as several of the submissions.
"...If you stare into the abyss of DeviantART, it stares back." |
- Did Not Do the Research: Mark notes that he should look up things more often before replying to asks; this came after a series of posts concerning Hyperdimension Neptunia. He didn't trust the art style, and the series had been inaccurately characterized as porn, prompting him to look into it and learn that it was just a Moe Anthropomorphism of game consoles having adventures that was incredibly Fanservicey at worst.
- Everyone Has Standards: When asked to make a cousin to "Fuck No TV Tropes" about DeviantArt's darkness, Mark refused, stating that "he'll die after three posts" and that many have tried. He also cited a lack of interest; in the blog's FAQ, he states that dA and other sites have a way to avoid the worse segments of their communities (with the implication that doing a similar blog would mean actively searching for them). Due to TVTropes and its nature as a wiki, the products of the site's worst are more likely to be shown at the forefront, and thus reflect poorly on everyone involved. That, and he'd also probably "be dead within a few weeks" if he tried a similar blog for dA.
- Everything's Better with Dinosaurs: Mark loves him some dinos.
"It means that my list of priorities goes like this: 1. Dinosaurs 2. Pokémon 3. RuPaul's Drag Race 4. Shitty Fan Fiction 5. My personal appearance 6. Everything else." |
- Fan Wank: A major focus of the blog's criticisms.
- Feminism: The author considers himself a feminist.
- Future Imperfect: Mark jokingly hopes that a thousand years into the future, archaeologists won't view Twilight Sparkle and Rainbow Dash as some sort of Ancient Mesopotamian Gods because of the abundance of TV Tropes' articles on MLP's different fanfiction genres.
- Insane Troll Logic: The blog frequently lampoons the lengths some users go to in order to justify adding certain examples, as well as other examples of tropers being seriously out of touch with reality.
- Highlights include a theory that claimed the "obvious" existence of Twincest Subtext between Violet and Klaus from A Series of Unfortunate Events.
- "Actually, being groped is good because you were attractive enough to warrant being molested!" And this was supposed to get them to open up. Dear God, where to begin.
- Kill It with Fire:
- The author's reaction to TV Tropes categorizing Edwin Epps raping his slave Patsey in Twelve Years a Slave as "Villainous Crush", instead of Rape Is a Special Kind of Evil.
- Mark's answer when asked if he'd fire any particular mod:
"I'd probably go all Tabula Rasa on it and fire everyone. I have never heard one good story about any mod on TV Tropes, period." |
- La Résistance: The author's reaction when the blog got its own TV Tropes page, and said page survived for some months; then-administrator Fast Eddie even cleaned the page up a bit while leaving the blog's criticism intact.
"Viva la revolución." |
- Nostalgia Filter: Another common criticism of example placement, and cited in particular in response to someone asking who in their right mind would place Duke Nukem on the Fair for Its Day page.
- Orphaned Series: The blog has been inactive since the last ask answered in March 2016. In March of 2019, Mark posted a final update that clarified why he'd abandoned the blog: as much fun as he'd had taking the site down a peg, he eventually realized that, in his opinion, he was holding the site up to an unreasonable standard it could never truly meet, and had more productive things to invest his time in.
- Pet the Dog: In spite of criticizing it as well, the blog has recommended All The Tropes as an alternative to the site multiple times. The FAQ also states not to vandalize TVTropes pages, instead giving tips on how to actually improve the site and provide actual analysis.
- The author acknowledges when TVT realizes that underage characters were ending up in the "Memetic Sex God" and that they have to do huge cleanups.
MOD Note: Shimaspawn's doing God's work right now. |
- Mark also reminded those that have issues with TV Tropes to just leave criticism at Fighteer's YouTube videos, not death threats. Also, stay away from his son.
- Self-Insert Fic: An anonymous asker stating that "the misanthropic and moronic power fantasies of teenagers will always be with us" is met with a reply joking about the Library of Alexandria's destruction in this manner, likely as a play on the misconception that such "cringy" writing could only exist in modern times.
"Think of it this way: Now that the Library of Alexandria is gone, we don't have to read Sappho's self-insert Greek Mythology shipping fan fics. |
- ↑ And when the criticism was valid and not just "tropers are icky", we have addressed matters.