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An antagonist can be classed on three orthogonal parameters:
An antagonist can be classed on three orthogonal parameters:


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* [[Sliding Scale of Antagonist Vileness|How much the audience is supposed to hate them.]]
* [[Sliding Scale of Antagonist Vileness|How much the audience is supposed to hate them.]]


This is a method of quantifying the second one.
This is a method of quantifying the second one.


Note that this does not cover any degree of sympathy; rather, it covers how probable their success is. To expand on this scale's orthogonality to the other two: it is entirely possible for a [[Complete Monster]] to fall at 'credible' or even 'low' on this scale (for example, a monster who is merely chief [[The Dragon|henchmen]] to, say, Ming The Merciless); and it is possible to have a villain who bats at the level of [[Superman]], but is so dumb that most of his threat comes from the fact that his plans will inevitably fail in a spectacular way.
Note that this does not cover any degree of sympathy; rather, it covers how probable their success is. To expand on this scale's orthogonality to the other two: it is entirely possible for a [[Complete Monster]] to fall at 'credible' or even 'low' on this scale (for example, a monster who is merely chief [[The Dragon|henchmen]] to, say, Ming The Merciless); and it is possible to have a villain who bats at the level of [[Superman]], but is so dumb that most of his threat comes from the fact that his plans will inevitably fail in a spectacular way.
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'''{{color|blue|None:}}''' The villain succeeded in his evil scheme, but it wasn't destroying the world at all, it was... [[Poke the Poodle|to step on a flower?!?]] Or alternatively, there's no villain at all.
'''{{color|blue|None:}}''' The villain succeeded in his evil scheme, but it wasn't destroying the world at all, it was... [[Poke the Poodle|to step on a flower?!?]] Or alternatively, there's no villain at all.
* [[Harmless Villain]], [[Minion With an F In Evil]], [[Crazy Cat Lady]], [[Peek a Bogey Man]], the most agreeable examples of [[The Extremist Was Right]]
* [[Harmless Villain]], [[Minion with an F In Evil]], [[Crazy Cat Lady]], [[Peek a Bogey Man]], the most agreeable examples of [[The Extremist Was Right]]
* ''Examples:'' The ''[[League of Super Evil]]'', Swiper from ''[[Dora the Explorer]]'', [[Pokémon (Anime)|Team Rocket]] (Pre-''Best Wishes''), Professor Chaos of [[South Park]].
* ''Examples:'' The ''[[League of Super Evil]]'', Swiper from ''[[Dora the Explorer]]'', [[Pokémon (anime)|Team Rocket]] (Pre-''Best Wishes''), Professor Chaos of [[South Park]].


'''{{color|green|Low:}}''' [[Villain Ball|The villain can be safely allowed]] to [[Hoist By His Own Petard|foil their own scheme.]]
'''{{color|green|Low:}}''' [[Villain Ball|The villain can be safely allowed]] to [[Hoist by His Own Petard|foil their own scheme.]]
* [[Ineffectual Sympathetic Villain]], [[No One Respects the Spanish Inquisition]], [[Villainous Harlequin]]
* [[Ineffectual Sympathetic Villain]], [[No One Respects the Spanish Inquisition]], [[Villainous Harlequin]]
* ''Examples:'' Dr. Drakken from ''[[Kim Possible]]'', ''[[Invader Zim]]'', [[Jackie Chan Adventures (Animation)|The Dark Hand]], many villains written by [[Dean Koontz]], [[Phineas and Ferb|Dr. Doofenshmirtz]], the [[My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic (Animation)/Recap/S1 E19 A Dog and Pony Show|Diamond Dogs]].
* ''Examples:'' Dr. Drakken from ''[[Kim Possible]]'', ''[[Invader Zim]]'', [[Jackie Chan Adventures|The Dark Hand]], many villains written by [[Dean Koontz]], [[Phineas and Ferb|Dr. Doofenshmirtz]], the [[My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic/Recap/S1/E19 A Dog and Pony Show|Diamond Dogs]].


'''{{color|gold|Credible:}}''' [[Evil Overlord List|Rarely succeeds]], but only because heroes take action.
'''{{color|gold|Credible:}}''' [[Evil Overlord List|Rarely succeeds]], but only because heroes take action.
* [[Evil Overlord]], [[The Empire]]
* [[Evil Overlord]], [[The Empire]]
* ''Examples:'' Most [[Disney Animated Canon|Disney]] villains, Ming the Merciless from ''[[Flash Gordon (Comic Strip)|Flash Gordon]]'', The Galactic Empire from ''[[Star Wars]]'', [[Transformers|The Decepticons]] (occasionally highly effective). [[World of Warcraft|Twilight's Hammer]]. The typical villains from [[Power Rangers]] / [[Super Sentai]] also fall into this category. [[Avatar: The Last Airbender (Animation)|The Fire Nation]] whenever [[Magnificent Bastard|Azula]] isn't available as a strategic consultant.
* ''Examples:'' Most [[Disney Animated Canon|Disney]] villains, Ming the Merciless from ''[[Flash Gordon (comic strip)|Flash Gordon]]'', The Galactic Empire from ''[[Star Wars]]'', [[Transformers|The Decepticons]] (occasionally highly effective). [[World of Warcraft|Twilight's Hammer]]. The typical villains from [[Power Rangers]] / [[Super Sentai]] also fall into this category. [[Avatar: The Last Airbender|The Fire Nation]] whenever [[Magnificent Bastard|Azula]] isn't available as a strategic consultant.


'''{{color|orange|Inadvertent:}}''' May succeed without realizing it, so heroes must be especially cautious.
'''{{color|orange|Inadvertent:}}''' May succeed without realizing it, so heroes must be especially cautious.
* [[Humans Are Bastards]], [[Humans Are Morons]], [[Humans Are Cthulhu]], [[Non-Malicious Monster]], [[Obliviously Evil]], [[Mike Nelson, Destroyer of Worlds]], [[Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds]], [[Hero With an F In Good]]
* [[Humans Are the Real Monsters]], [[Humans Are Morons]], [[Humans Are Cthulhu]], [[Non-Malicious Monster]], [[Obliviously Evil]], [[Mike Nelson, Destroyer of Worlds]], [[Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds]], [[Hero with an F In Good]]
* ''Examples:'' The crew of the ''[[Red Dwarf (TV)|Red Dwarf]]'', the Red King in ''[[Alice in Wonderland|Through The Looking Glass]]'', the replicants of ''[[Blade Runner]]''.
* ''Examples:'' The crew of the ''[[Red Dwarf]]'', the Red King in ''[[Alice in Wonderland|Through The Looking Glass]]'', the replicants of ''[[Blade Runner]]''.


'''{{color|red|High:}}''' Almost always succeeds when not thwarted by a hero and have a decent number of victories under their belt, expect them to [[You Can't Thwart Stage One|get a secondary goal completed]] even when they lose.
'''{{color|red|High:}}''' Almost always succeeds when not thwarted by a hero and have a decent number of victories under their belt, expect them to [[You Can't Thwart Stage One|get a secondary goal completed]] even when they lose.
* [[Magnificent Bastard]], [[The Chessmaster]] (when evil), [[Hero Killer]], [[Corrupt Corporate Executive]], [[The Men in Black]] (when evil), [[Complete Monster]], [[Manipulative Bastard]] (when evil), [[Monster Clown]], [[No-Nonsense Nemesis]] (when evil)
* [[Magnificent Bastard]], [[The Chessmaster]] (when evil), [[Hero-Killer]], [[Corrupt Corporate Executive]], [[The Men in Black]] (when evil), [[Complete Monster]], [[Manipulative Bastard]] (when evil), [[Monster Clown]], [[No-Nonsense Nemesis]] (when evil)
* ''Examples:'' David Xanatos from ''[[Gargoyles (Animation)|Gargoyles]]'', [[Young Justice|The Light]], [[Final Fantasy VI|Kefka Palazzo]], [[Blaz Blue|Hazama/Terumi Yuuki,]] [[Star Wars Expanded Universe|Grand]] [[The Thrawn Trilogy|Admiral]] [[Magnificent Bastard|Thrawn]], [[Avatar: The Last Airbender (Animation)|Princess Azula]], [[The Legend of Korra (Animation)|Amon]], President Snow from [[The Hunger Games]], [[Kim Possible|Shego]].
* ''Examples:'' David Xanatos from ''[[Gargoyles]]'', [[Young Justice|The Light]], [[Final Fantasy VI|Kefka Palazzo]], [[BlazBlue|Hazama/Terumi Yuuki,]] [[Star Wars Expanded Universe|Grand]] [[The Thrawn Trilogy|Admiral]] [[Magnificent Bastard|Thrawn]], [[Avatar: The Last Airbender|Princess Azula]], [[The Legend of Korra|Amon]], President Snow from [[The Hunger Games]], [[Kim Possible|Shego]].


'''{{color|black|Infinite:}}''' [[The Bad Guy Wins|The villain will always win, and the heroes will always lose, even if the heroes should by all rights win]]. This may be due to the villain being truly all powerful, or the heroes being utterly incapable of confronting them in the first place, let alone stopping them. At best, the heroes could delay or annoy the villain, but the villain will triumph in the end regardless and the heroes must evade or escape the villain now that its goals are met.
'''{{color|black|Infinite:}}''' [[The Bad Guy Wins|The villain will always win, and the heroes will always lose, even if the heroes should by all rights win]]. This may be due to the villain being truly all powerful, or the heroes being utterly incapable of confronting them in the first place, let alone stopping them. At best, the heroes could delay or annoy the villain, but the villain will triumph in the end regardless and the heroes must evade or escape the villain now that its goals are met.
* [[Eldritch Abomination]] (esp. in stories where you can't [[Did You Just Punch Out Cthulhu?|punch them out]]), [[Cosmic Horror Story]], [[God Is Evil]], [[You Can't Fight Fate]], [[Rage Against the Heavens]], [[Downer Ending]], [[Villain Sue]], [[Diabolus Ex Machina]].
* [[Eldritch Abomination]] (esp. in stories where you can't [[Did You Just Punch Out Cthulhu?|punch them out]]), [[Cosmic Horror Story]], [[God Is Evil]], [[You Can't Fight Fate]], [[Rage Against the Heavens]], [[Downer Ending]], [[Villain Sue]], [[Diabolus Ex Machina]].
* ''Examples'': Many, many horror stories where the protagonists die or suffer a [[Fate Worse Than Death]]. [[Final Destination]]. [[HP Lovecraft]]. [[Villain Sue|Villain Sues]]. [[Battle Royale]].
* ''Examples'': Many, many horror stories where the protagonists die or suffer a [[Fate Worse Than Death]]. [[Final Destination]]. [[H.P. Lovecraft]]. [[Villain Sue]]s. [[Battle Royale]].


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[[Category:Sliding Scale of Villain Effectiveness]]
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Latest revision as of 03:05, 27 November 2019


An antagonist can be classed on three orthogonal parameters:

This is a method of quantifying the second one.

Note that this does not cover any degree of sympathy; rather, it covers how probable their success is. To expand on this scale's orthogonality to the other two: it is entirely possible for a Complete Monster to fall at 'credible' or even 'low' on this scale (for example, a monster who is merely chief henchmen to, say, Ming The Merciless); and it is possible to have a villain who bats at the level of Superman, but is so dumb that most of his threat comes from the fact that his plans will inevitably fail in a spectacular way.

Further, please do not add in Villainous organizations, groups, or nations to the Examples section at High or Infinite levels, and be particularly aware of Fan Myopia.


None: The villain succeeded in his evil scheme, but it wasn't destroying the world at all, it was... to step on a flower?!? Or alternatively, there's no villain at all.

Low: The villain can be safely allowed to foil their own scheme.

Credible: Rarely succeeds, but only because heroes take action.

Inadvertent: May succeed without realizing it, so heroes must be especially cautious.

High: Almost always succeeds when not thwarted by a hero and have a decent number of victories under their belt, expect them to get a secondary goal completed even when they lose.

Infinite: The villain will always win, and the heroes will always lose, even if the heroes should by all rights win. This may be due to the villain being truly all powerful, or the heroes being utterly incapable of confronting them in the first place, let alone stopping them. At best, the heroes could delay or annoy the villain, but the villain will triumph in the end regardless and the heroes must evade or escape the villain now that its goals are met.