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* [[Did Not Do the Research]]: When Sheridan talks to {{spoiler|the "Inquisitor" AKA Sebastian}} as he's seeing him off, he mentions the date of his last known appearance (Nov. 11, 1888) as the day after the end of a series of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitechapel_murders gruesome murders]. You can read his lips as he says "West Side" (even the closed captioning reads it as West Side) but it was over-dubbed as "East Side".
* [[Did Not Do the Research]]: When Sheridan talks to {{spoiler|the "Inquisitor" AKA Sebastian}} as he's seeing him off, he mentions the date of his last known appearance (Nov. 11, 1888) as the day after the end of a series of [[wikipedia:Whitechapel murders|gruesome murders]]. You can read his lips as he says "West Side" (even the closed captioning reads it as West Side) but it was over-dubbed as "East Side".
** [[Word of God]] is that he did do the research, and in fact had the relevant information right in front of him as he wrote the scene, and was so angry he could kick himself when he realized the mistake.
** [[Word of God]] is that he did do the research, and in fact had the relevant information right in front of him as he wrote the scene, and was so angry he could kick himself when he realized the mistake.
* [[Hey Its That Guy]]: Primary and recurring cast members included [[Tron|Bruce]] [[Scarecrow and Mrs. King (TV)|Boxleitner]], [[Lost in Space|Bill Mumy]], [[Animal House|Stephen Furst]], [[Grease|Jeff]] [[Taxi|Conaway]] and [[Star Trek the Original Series (TV)|Walter Koenig]], with guest appearances by [[Animal House|Bruce McGill]], [[The Man From UNCLE|David]] [[Sapphire and Steel|McCallum]], [[Tron (Film)|David Warner]], [[Childs Play (Film)|Brad Dourif]], [[Re Animator|Jeffrey Combs]], [[Dawn of the Dead (Film)|Ken Foree]], [[Twin Peaks|Russ Tamblyn]], [[Blade Runner (Film)|William Sanderson]], [[The A-Team (TV)|Dwight Schultz]], [[Star Trek II the Wrath of Khan (Film)|Paul Winfield]], [[Night Court|Richard Moll]], [[Harlan Ellison]] (as a Psi Cop), and the legendary June Lockhart, among others. And while Londo was his most visible role, Peter Jurasik is a character actor with over thirty years and 70 roles under his belt; for our purposes it's most interesting that he, like Boxleitner and David Warner, was in ''[[Tron]]'' (as CROM, an accounting program destined for the games grid).
* [[Hey, It's That Guy!]]: Primary and recurring cast members included [[Tron|Bruce]] [[Scarecrow and Mrs. King|Boxleitner]], [[Lost in Space|Bill Mumy]], [[Animal House|Stephen Furst]], [[Grease|Jeff]] [[Taxi|Conaway]] and [[Star Trek: The Original Series|Walter Koenig]], with guest appearances by [[Animal House|Bruce McGill]], [[The Man from U.N.C.L.E.|David]] [[Sapphire and Steel|McCallum]], [[Tron|David Warner]], [[Child's Play (film)|Brad Dourif]], [[Re-Animator|Jeffrey Combs]], [[Dawn of the Dead (film)|Ken Foree]], [[Twin Peaks|Russ Tamblyn]], [[Blade Runner|William Sanderson]], [[The A-Team|Dwight Schultz]], [[Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan|Paul Winfield]], [[Night Court|Richard Moll]], [[Harlan Ellison]] (as a Psi Cop), and the legendary June Lockhart, among others. And while Londo was his most visible role, Peter Jurasik is a character actor with over thirty years and 70 roles under his belt; for our purposes it's most interesting that he, like Boxleitner and David Warner, was in ''[[Tron]]'' (as CROM, an accounting program destined for the games grid).
* [[Hey Its That Voice]]: Numerous examples.
* [[Hey, It's That Voice!]]: Numerous examples.
** Byron the telepath is also the Medic from ''[[Team Fortress 2 (Video Game)|Team Fortress 2]]'', among many others.
** Byron the telepath is also the Medic from ''[[Team Fortress 2]]'', among many others.
** When the computer is rebooted after a systems shutdown, it comes back online with an obnoxious, stubborn personality voiced by [[Harlan Ellison]].
** When the computer is rebooted after a systems shutdown, it comes back online with an obnoxious, stubborn personality voiced by [[Harlan Ellison]].
** Ellison also provided the voice for Zooty's talking prop when comedians Rebo and Zooty visited the station.
** Ellison also provided the voice for Zooty's talking prop when comedians Rebo and Zooty visited the station.
** Ardwright Chamberlain -- Nicolai of ''[[Shadow Hearts]]: Covenant'' -- is Kosh.
** Ardwright Chamberlain -- Nicolai of ''[[Shadow Hearts]]: Covenant'' -- is Kosh.
** Mel Winkler, Aku Aku from the ''[[Crash Bandicoot]]'' series, appears in the episode "And The Rock Cried Out, No Hiding Place".
** Mel Winkler, Aku Aku from the ''[[Crash Bandicoot]]'' series, appears in the episode "And The Rock Cried Out, No Hiding Place".
** In the 2002 TV movie ''Legend Of The Rangers'', Sarah Cantrell is played by Myriam Sirois -- better known to a generation of North American anime fans as the voice of Akane Tendo from the English dub of ''[[Ranma One Half|Ranma 1/2]]''.
** In the 2002 TV movie ''Legend of the Rangers'', Sarah Cantrell is played by Myriam Sirois -- better known to a generation of North American anime fans as the voice of Akane Tendo from the English dub of ''[[Ranma ½]]'' -- and for [[Bonus Points]] she operates her ship's weaponry by throwing punches and kicks.
* [[Line to God]]: JMS was a frequent poster on the [[Use Net]] group rec.arts.tv.scifi.babylon5.moderated during the show's run.
* [[Line to God]]: JMS was a frequent poster on the [[UseNet]] group rec.arts.tv.scifi.babylon5.moderated during the show's run.
* [[Retroactive Recognition]]:
* [[Retroactive Recognition]]:
** Mira Furlan (Delenn) went on to play a [[Wild Hair|wild-haired]] [[Crazy Survivalist]] on ''[[Lost (TV)|Lost]]''.
** Mira Furlan (Delenn) went on to play a [[Wild Hair|wild-haired]] [[Crazy Survivalist]] on ''[[Lost]]''.
** Ken Jenkins (Trevor Hall, captain of the Heracles) later played Dr. Kelso on ''[[Scrubs (TV)|Scrubs]]''.
** Ken Jenkins (Trevor Hall, captain of the Heracles) later played Dr. Kelso on ''[[Scrubs]]''.
** Matthew Stoner [[Angel (TV)|only got creepier as he got older]]. Plus he ''really'' hates spiky-haired vampires.
** Matthew Stoner [[Angel|only got creepier as he got older]]. Plus he ''really'' hates spiky-haired vampires.
** David McCallum (who played Dr. Hendricks in ''Infection'') would go on to [[NCIS (TV)|really rock the bow ties and help fight crime.]]
** David McCallum (who played Dr. Hendricks in ''Infection'') would go on to [[NCIS|really rock the bow ties and help fight crime.]]
* [[Shout Out]]: The show is known to have a few shout outs to ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[A Canticle for Leibowitz]]'', [[Greek Mythology]] and other works of fiction.
* [[Shout-Out]]: The show is known to have a few shout outs to ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[A Canticle for Leibowitz]]'', [[Greek Mythology]] and other works of fiction.
** In one episode, a plaintiff in a courtroom is suing one of [[The Greys]] because his ancestor was abducted by the alien's ancestor, a [[Shout Out]] to the modern day abductee phenomenon.
** In one episode, a plaintiff in a courtroom is suing one of [[The Greys]] because his ancestor was abducted by the alien's ancestor, a [[Shout-Out]] to the modern day abductee phenomenon.
** [[Word of God]] is that the Canticle reference was not intentional. He had been doing research on monasteries for another project, and so had them in mind when he was writing the episode. It wasn't until later that he realized he'd pretty much done ''[[A Canticle for Leibowitz]]'', but he couldn't think of another way to do the scene that worked as well, so he kept it as is.
** [[Word of God]] is that the Canticle reference was not intentional. He had been doing research on monasteries for another project, and so had them in mind when he was writing the episode. It wasn't until later that he realized he'd pretty much done ''[[A Canticle for Leibowitz]]'', but he couldn't think of another way to do the scene that worked as well, so he kept it as is.
** Such as a Martian representative named Amanda [[John Carter of Mars|Carter]] in the episode ''Spider in the Web''. With an ancestor named John, [[Anvilicious|in case you didn't get it]].
** Such as a Martian representative named Amanda [[John Carter of Mars|Carter]] in the episode ''Spider in the Web''. With an ancestor named John, [[Anvilicious|in case you didn't get it]].
** And ''[[The Demolished Man (Literature)|The Demolished Man]]'' by Alfred Bester -- which is about a telepathic cop.
** And ''[[The Demolished Man]]'' by Alfred Bester -- which is about a telepathic cop.
*** Not just a [[Shout Out]]-that was the entire inspiration for the Psy Corps and the death of personality.
*** Not just a [[Shout-Out]]-that was the entire inspiration for the Psy Corps and the death of personality.
*** The Psi Corps was a [[Whole Plot Reference]] of sorts; the true [[Shout Out]] was naming the head psicop Alfred Bester.
*** The Psi Corps was a [[Whole-Plot Reference]] of sorts; the true [[Shout-Out]] was naming the head psicop Alfred Bester.
** Multiple Shout Outs to George Orwell's ''1984'': Ministry of Peace, rewriting the dictionaries, etc.
** Multiple Shout Outs to George Orwell's ''1984'': Ministry of Peace, rewriting the dictionaries, etc.
** The episode ''Passing Through Gethsemane'' has a Biblical shout out in its title, and a plot based on [[HP Lovecraft]]'s {{spoiler|''The Case of Charles Dexter Ward'' -- right down to naming one of the characters Charlie Dexter.}}
** The episode ''Passing Through Gethsemane'' has a Biblical shout out in its title, and a plot based on [[H.P. Lovecraft]]'s {{spoiler|''The Case of Charles Dexter Ward'' -- right down to naming one of the characters Charlie Dexter.}}
** Much of the philosophy spouted by various races is only slightly re-worded from human thinkers. For instance, much of Minbari philosophy is a reworking of things [[Carl Sagan]] said. His "Star Stuff" speech from the ''Cosmos'' special is repeated almost verbatim by Delenn in the pilot. Given that modern Minbari philosophy and religion was essentially created ''en masse'' by {{spoiler|a time-traveling Sinclair in his guise as Valen, it may be that Sinclair directly cribbed from Sagan}}.
** Much of the philosophy spouted by various races is only slightly re-worded from human thinkers. For instance, much of Minbari philosophy is a reworking of things [[Carl Sagan]] said. His "Star Stuff" speech from the ''Cosmos'' special is repeated almost verbatim by Delenn in the pilot. Given that modern Minbari philosophy and religion was essentially created ''en masse'' by {{spoiler|a time-traveling Sinclair in his guise as Valen, it may be that Sinclair directly cribbed from Sagan}}.
** The greatest [[Shout Out]] in the series finale: {{spoiler|And now, for [[Keep Circulating the Tapes|those of you who have been archiving]] this [[Show Within a Show|ISN Special Documentary]], the people responsible...}}
** The greatest [[Shout-Out]] in the series finale: {{spoiler|And now, for [[Keep Circulating the Tapes|those of you who have been archiving]] this [[Show Within a Show|ISN Special Documentary]], the people responsible...}}
** In the otherwise forgettable episode ''Infection'', a character trying to get Franklin's attention mentions that there's a [[War of the Worlds|Martian death machine parked outside the station, and they'd like to have a word with him about the common cold.]]
** In the otherwise forgettable episode ''Infection'', a character trying to get Franklin's attention mentions that there's a [[War of the Worlds|Martian death machine parked outside the station, and they'd like to have a word with him about the common cold.]]
** JMS was very touchy on the subject of [[Shout Out|ShoutOuts]]. He stated that freelance writers got carried away with them in the first season, and he put a halt on them after that. He also claimed that much of what fans called shout outs were either unintentional, non-existent, or a result of both parties having drawn from the same, far older, sources. There was one particular instance in Usenet where he went off on a long rant about this after someone asked if he was referencing [[Return to Zork]] in an episode.
** JMS was very touchy on the subject of [[Shout-Out|ShoutOuts]]. He stated that freelance writers got carried away with them in the first season, and he put a halt on them after that. He also claimed that much of what fans called shout outs were either unintentional, non-existent, or a result of both parties having drawn from the same, far older, sources. There was one particular instance in Usenet where he went off on a long rant about this after someone asked if he was referencing [[Return to Zork]] in an episode.
*** In his defense, the supposed [[Shout Out]] was quite obscure (a pretty generic piece of dialogue that you could imagine showing up anywhere). When JMS did reference a work or author he was fond of, he usually wouldn't shy away from it. He liked it when fans spot the genuine deals, but when they started grasping for straws he got annoyed.
*** In his defense, the supposed [[Shout-Out]] was quite obscure (a pretty generic piece of dialogue that you could imagine showing up anywhere). When JMS did reference a work or author he was fond of, he usually wouldn't shy away from it. He liked it when fans spot the genuine deals, but when they started grasping for straws he got annoyed.
** Draal in "The Long, Twilight Struggle" plays up a very Oz-like attitude, right up to proclaiming "great and terrible".
** Draal in "The Long, Twilight Struggle" plays up a very Oz-like attitude, right up to proclaiming "great and terrible".
** {{spoiler|President Clark's final actions are a mirror of Hitler's final plans right down to the Scorched Earth decree. Of course, Hitler issued his decree to generals and factory managers who immediately ignored it, Clark issued his to automated orbital death rays that had to be taken out by the attack fleet. Then he shoots himself before he can be humiliated by his enemies in public.}}
** {{spoiler|President Clark's final actions are a mirror of Hitler's final plans right down to the Scorched Earth decree. Of course, Hitler issued his decree to generals and factory managers who immediately ignored it, Clark issued his to automated orbital death rays that had to be taken out by the attack fleet. Then he shoots himself before he can be humiliated by his enemies in public.}}
** The last thing Bester does at the end of his first appearance in "Mind War" is turn to Commander Sinclair, [[The Prisoner|hook his forefinger and thumb into a circle, raise his hand to his forehead in a salute, and say, "Be seeing you."]]
** The last thing Bester does at the end of his first appearance in "Mind War" is turn to Commander Sinclair, [[The Prisoner|hook his forefinger and thumb into a circle, raise his hand to his forehead in a salute, and say, "Be seeing you."]]
** In "The Face of the Enemy", when William Edgars tells Garibaldi that by betraying Sheridan he has brought him closer to the truth. Garibaldi responds by saying "The last guy got [[The Bible (Literature)|thirty pieces of silver for the same job.]]"
** In "The Face of the Enemy", when William Edgars tells Garibaldi that by betraying Sheridan he has brought him closer to the truth. Garibaldi responds by saying "The last guy got [[The Bible|thirty pieces of silver for the same job.]]"
** Vir's conversation with the technomage in "The Geometry of Shadows" includes two: The technomage's name is [[The Elric Saga|Elric]], and he quotes "an old saying" about not trying the patience of wizards that originates in ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]''.
** Vir's conversation with the technomage in "The Geometry of Shadows" includes two: The technomage's name is [[The Elric Saga|Elric]], and he quotes "an old saying" about not trying the patience of wizards that originates in ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]''.
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* Back when nearly all of the World Wide Web could be linked to on one page, it seemed that most web sites had some sort of sci-fi series tribute somewhere. ''[[Star Trek the Next Generation (TV)|Star Trek the Next Generation]]'' was a particularly popular choice for enshrinement (it was on at the time, see?). B5 has one up on it, though: the NCSA Mosaic ''browser'' had a semi-secret page (about:b5) where the developers expressed their love for the series and provided a few links to fan sites in case you wanted to learn more.
* Back when nearly all of the World Wide Web could be linked to on one page, it seemed that most web sites had some sort of sci-fi series tribute somewhere. ''[[Star Trek: The Next Generation|Star Trek the Next Generation]]'' was a particularly popular choice for enshrinement (it was on at the time, see?). B5 has one up on it, though: the NCSA Mosaic ''browser'' had a semi-secret page (about:b5) where the developers expressed their love for the series and provided a few links to fan sites in case you wanted to learn more.


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Latest revision as of 18:09, 21 August 2018


  • Did Not Do the Research: When Sheridan talks to the "Inquisitor" AKA Sebastian as he's seeing him off, he mentions the date of his last known appearance (Nov. 11, 1888) as the day after the end of a series of gruesome murders. You can read his lips as he says "West Side" (even the closed captioning reads it as West Side) but it was over-dubbed as "East Side".
    • Word of God is that he did do the research, and in fact had the relevant information right in front of him as he wrote the scene, and was so angry he could kick himself when he realized the mistake.
  • Hey, It's That Guy!: Primary and recurring cast members included Bruce Boxleitner, Bill Mumy, Stephen Furst, Jeff Conaway and Walter Koenig, with guest appearances by Bruce McGill, David McCallum, David Warner, Brad Dourif, Jeffrey Combs, Ken Foree, Russ Tamblyn, William Sanderson, Dwight Schultz, Paul Winfield, Richard Moll, Harlan Ellison (as a Psi Cop), and the legendary June Lockhart, among others. And while Londo was his most visible role, Peter Jurasik is a character actor with over thirty years and 70 roles under his belt; for our purposes it's most interesting that he, like Boxleitner and David Warner, was in Tron (as CROM, an accounting program destined for the games grid).
  • Hey, It's That Voice!: Numerous examples.
    • Byron the telepath is also the Medic from Team Fortress 2, among many others.
    • When the computer is rebooted after a systems shutdown, it comes back online with an obnoxious, stubborn personality voiced by Harlan Ellison.
    • Ellison also provided the voice for Zooty's talking prop when comedians Rebo and Zooty visited the station.
    • Ardwright Chamberlain -- Nicolai of Shadow Hearts: Covenant -- is Kosh.
    • Mel Winkler, Aku Aku from the Crash Bandicoot series, appears in the episode "And The Rock Cried Out, No Hiding Place".
    • In the 2002 TV movie Legend of the Rangers, Sarah Cantrell is played by Myriam Sirois -- better known to a generation of North American anime fans as the voice of Akane Tendo from the English dub of Ranma ½ -- and for Bonus Points she operates her ship's weaponry by throwing punches and kicks.
  • Line to God: JMS was a frequent poster on the UseNet group rec.arts.tv.scifi.babylon5.moderated during the show's run.
  • Retroactive Recognition:
  • Shout-Out: The show is known to have a few shout outs to The Lord of the Rings, A Canticle for Leibowitz, Greek Mythology and other works of fiction.
    • In one episode, a plaintiff in a courtroom is suing one of The Greys because his ancestor was abducted by the alien's ancestor, a Shout-Out to the modern day abductee phenomenon.
    • Word of God is that the Canticle reference was not intentional. He had been doing research on monasteries for another project, and so had them in mind when he was writing the episode. It wasn't until later that he realized he'd pretty much done A Canticle for Leibowitz, but he couldn't think of another way to do the scene that worked as well, so he kept it as is.
    • Such as a Martian representative named Amanda Carter in the episode Spider in the Web. With an ancestor named John, in case you didn't get it.
    • And The Demolished Man by Alfred Bester -- which is about a telepathic cop.
      • Not just a Shout-Out-that was the entire inspiration for the Psy Corps and the death of personality.
      • The Psi Corps was a Whole-Plot Reference of sorts; the true Shout-Out was naming the head psicop Alfred Bester.
    • Multiple Shout Outs to George Orwell's 1984: Ministry of Peace, rewriting the dictionaries, etc.
    • The episode Passing Through Gethsemane has a Biblical shout out in its title, and a plot based on H.P. Lovecraft's The Case of Charles Dexter Ward -- right down to naming one of the characters Charlie Dexter.
    • Much of the philosophy spouted by various races is only slightly re-worded from human thinkers. For instance, much of Minbari philosophy is a reworking of things Carl Sagan said. His "Star Stuff" speech from the Cosmos special is repeated almost verbatim by Delenn in the pilot. Given that modern Minbari philosophy and religion was essentially created en masse by a time-traveling Sinclair in his guise as Valen, it may be that Sinclair directly cribbed from Sagan.
    • The greatest Shout-Out in the series finale: And now, for those of you who have been archiving this ISN Special Documentary, the people responsible...
    • In the otherwise forgettable episode Infection, a character trying to get Franklin's attention mentions that there's a Martian death machine parked outside the station, and they'd like to have a word with him about the common cold.
    • JMS was very touchy on the subject of ShoutOuts. He stated that freelance writers got carried away with them in the first season, and he put a halt on them after that. He also claimed that much of what fans called shout outs were either unintentional, non-existent, or a result of both parties having drawn from the same, far older, sources. There was one particular instance in Usenet where he went off on a long rant about this after someone asked if he was referencing Return to Zork in an episode.
      • In his defense, the supposed Shout-Out was quite obscure (a pretty generic piece of dialogue that you could imagine showing up anywhere). When JMS did reference a work or author he was fond of, he usually wouldn't shy away from it. He liked it when fans spot the genuine deals, but when they started grasping for straws he got annoyed.
    • Draal in "The Long, Twilight Struggle" plays up a very Oz-like attitude, right up to proclaiming "great and terrible".
    • President Clark's final actions are a mirror of Hitler's final plans right down to the Scorched Earth decree. Of course, Hitler issued his decree to generals and factory managers who immediately ignored it, Clark issued his to automated orbital death rays that had to be taken out by the attack fleet. Then he shoots himself before he can be humiliated by his enemies in public.
    • The last thing Bester does at the end of his first appearance in "Mind War" is turn to Commander Sinclair, hook his forefinger and thumb into a circle, raise his hand to his forehead in a salute, and say, "Be seeing you."
    • In "The Face of the Enemy", when William Edgars tells Garibaldi that by betraying Sheridan he has brought him closer to the truth. Garibaldi responds by saying "The last guy got thirty pieces of silver for the same job."
    • Vir's conversation with the technomage in "The Geometry of Shadows" includes two: The technomage's name is Elric, and he quotes "an old saying" about not trying the patience of wizards that originates in The Lord of the Rings.

  • Back when nearly all of the World Wide Web could be linked to on one page, it seemed that most web sites had some sort of sci-fi series tribute somewhere. Star Trek the Next Generation was a particularly popular choice for enshrinement (it was on at the time, see?). B5 has one up on it, though: the NCSA Mosaic browser had a semi-secret page (about:b5) where the developers expressed their love for the series and provided a few links to fan sites in case you wanted to learn more.