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* Fans of the original ''[[Haruhi Suzumiya (Light Novel)|Haruhi Suzumiya]]'' light novels cried foul when the [[Anachronic Order]] of the books was different from that of the show; never mind that it was ''still'' out of order, the climax was ''still'' at the end and it ''still'' worked from a storytelling point of view. Then again, they were also in shock that [[It's Popular, Now It Sucks|their beloved obscure light novel series was now a]] [[Cash Cow Franchise]] [[It's Popular, Now It Sucks|loved by millions]].
* Fans of the original ''[[Haruhi Suzumiya]]'' light novels cried foul when the [[Anachronic Order]] of the books was different from that of the show; never mind that it was ''still'' out of order, the climax was ''still'' at the end and it ''still'' worked from a storytelling point of view. Then again, they were also in shock that [[It's Popular, Now It Sucks|their beloved obscure light novel series was now a]] [[Cash Cow Franchise]] [[It's Popular, Now It Sucks|loved by millions]].
* [[Ruined FOREVER|This trope]] caused the [[Broken Base]] of ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]'': when it moved into the second half, many of the more traditional shounen fans claimed it was [[Ruined FOREVER]] because of being.... ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]''. The base broke even further due to ''[[End of Evangelion]]'' later, which some saw as an example of a [[Trolling Creator]].
* [[Ruined FOREVER|This trope]] caused the [[Broken Base]] of ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]'': when it moved into the second half, many of the more traditional shounen fans claimed it was [[Ruined FOREVER]] because of being.... ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]''. The base broke even further due to ''[[End of Evangelion]]'' later, which some saw as an example of a [[Trolling Creator]].
** Fundamentally, ''[[End of Evangelion]]'' forms an alternate ending for the series, along with the updated "video & LD versions" of episodes 21 through 24. Fans do exist who would have preferred that NGE ended with its television broadcast of the original ending, some considering the updated ending to be unnecessary retcon that soils interpretation of the show.
** Fundamentally, ''[[End of Evangelion]]'' forms an alternate ending for the series, along with the updated "video & LD versions" of episodes 21 through 24. Fans do exist who would have preferred that NGE ended with its television broadcast of the original ending, some considering the updated ending to be unnecessary retcon that soils interpretation of the show.
** ...and further ruining things is the game ''Neon Genesis Evangelions'' (or [[NGE 2]]) for [[Play Station]] 2 and PSP. This was released in two iterations during the Aughts and marketed as containing the answers to the show's most niggling secrets. Much of this material has been translated over the years, and there have been no shortage of appreciative fans -- but with that comes a vocal minority crying foul that the game reveals too much and ruins the mystery. (Never mind that with every secret spoiled, many more mysteries have been created.)
** ...and further ruining things is the game ''Neon Genesis Evangelions'' (or [[NGE 2]]) for [[PlayStation]] 2 and PSP. This was released in two iterations during the Aughts and marketed as containing the answers to the show's most niggling secrets. Much of this material has been translated over the years, and there have been no shortage of appreciative fans—but with that comes a vocal minority crying foul that the game reveals too much and ruins the mystery. (Never mind that with every secret spoiled, many more mysteries have been created.)
** If the [[Rebuild of Evangelion|new Evangelion movies]] (the fan-branded "Rebuild") end up being connected ''in-universe'' to the original Evangelion series, many Eva fans will cry out "RUINED FOREVER" in a singular voice so terrible that it will knock the planet off-axis.
** If the [[Rebuild of Evangelion|new Evangelion movies]] (the fan-branded "Rebuild") end up being connected ''in-universe'' to the original Evangelion series, many Eva fans will cry out "RUINED FOREVER" in a singular voice so terrible that it will knock the planet off-axis.
* At what point was ''[[Armored Trooper VOTOMS]]'' [[Ruined FOREVER]] for people looking for a hard sci-fi mecha series? Was it Roots of Ambition where Chirico survived a shot in his heart due to Perfect Survivor status? Was it The Shining Heresy where Chirico was [[Born Lucky]] enough to do a crazy ricochet fluke shot into the Order Buckler's cockpit and destroying Teitania's Auxillary Brain, Was it the newer OVAs such as Pailsen Files and Phantom Arc for Sunrise copping out on [[Conspicuous CG|dodgy computer-generated ATs]] and it basically amounting to needless padding on Chirico's backstory, Some even claim that VOTOMS wasn't very realistic to begin with when the Quent arc rolled around and [[The Reveal]] happened. for bonus points, mention the phrase "Child of God." as that aspect of Chirico's character is a sore spot with many fans.
* At what point was ''[[Armored Trooper VOTOMS]]'' [[Ruined FOREVER]] for people looking for a hard sci-fi mecha series? Was it Roots of Ambition where Chirico survived a shot in his heart due to Perfect Survivor status? Was it The Shining Heresy where Chirico was [[Born Lucky]] enough to do a crazy ricochet fluke shot into the Order Buckler's cockpit and destroying Teitania's Auxillary Brain, Was it the newer OVAs such as Pailsen Files and Phantom Arc for Sunrise copping out on [[Conspicuous CG|dodgy computer-generated ATs]] and it basically amounting to needless padding on Chirico's backstory, Some even claim that VOTOMS wasn't very realistic to begin with when the Quent arc rolled around and [[The Reveal]] happened. for bonus points, mention the phrase "Child of God." as that aspect of Chirico's character is a sore spot with many fans.
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** There was also a ''massive outcry'' at the [[Replacement Scrappy|cast reboot]] in ''[[Digimon Tamers]]''? Not to mention the fact that [[Digimon Adventure|the original]] was a [[Show Within a Show]] there.
** There was also a ''massive outcry'' at the [[Replacement Scrappy|cast reboot]] in ''[[Digimon Tamers]]''? Not to mention the fact that [[Digimon Adventure|the original]] was a [[Show Within a Show]] there.
** [[Digimon Savers|Marcus]] doesn't wear [[Goggles Do Nothing|GOGGLES?!]] The characters are OLDER than 12?! The animation is more anime-y? [[Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking|AGUMON'S NOSTRILS ARE FEATURELESS POLKADOTS?!]] Say it isn't so!
** [[Digimon Savers|Marcus]] doesn't wear [[Goggles Do Nothing|GOGGLES?!]] The characters are OLDER than 12?! The animation is more anime-y? [[Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking|AGUMON'S NOSTRILS ARE FEATURELESS POLKADOTS?!]] Say it isn't so!
** [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-04-05/new-digital-monsters/digimon-tv-anime-image-posted Another Digimon season this July?] [[And the Fandom Rejoiced|Yay!]] But what's this? The [[Goggles Do Nothing|Goggle boy]] is the only human featured? And why does he look like the love child of Tai and Davis ([[Ho Yay|Dream come true in certain circles]])? The Digimon on the right looks like [[Monster Rancher (Anime)|Tiger]] and all of the Digimon's designs look like they come from a generic [[Bakugan|Toyetic anime.]] What's a [[Mecha|mecha-looking]] Digimon doing there? And Greymon again?!
** [http://www.animenewsnetwork.cc//news/2010-04-05/new-digital-monsters/digimon-tv-anime-image-posted Another Digimon season this July?] [[And the Fandom Rejoiced|Yay!]] But what's this? The [[Goggles Do Nothing|Goggle boy]] is the only human featured? And why does he look like the love child of Tai and Davis ([[Ho Yay|Dream come true in certain circles]])? The Digimon on the right looks like [[Monster Rancher (anime)|Tiger]] and all of the Digimon's designs look like they come from a generic [[Bakugan|Toyetic anime.]] What's a [[Mecha|mecha-looking]] Digimon doing there? And Greymon again?!
* ''[[Naruto]]'': Most commonly Sasuke [[Spotlight-Stealing Squad|being the focus of an entire arc]] (especially the part about {{spoiler|[[Shocking Swerve|Itachi being a good guy]]}}). Honestly, it has such an [[Unpleasable Fanbase]] you can find someone that thinks the series [[Jumped the Shark]] at any moment, usually in the form of "(Character X) [[Out of Focus|hasn't done anything in months]], it's ruined!" Additionally, there's also a segment of the fandom that has said the [[Time Skip]] was when they stopped liking it, [[Selective Obliviousness|even if most of what they're complaining about didn't happen until quite a while after or had been happening for a while before the time skip itself]] and they more or less seem to just be trying to focus their scorn on something important.
* ''[[Naruto]]'': Most commonly Sasuke [[Spotlight-Stealing Squad|being the focus of an entire arc]] (especially the part about {{spoiler|[[Shocking Swerve|Itachi being a good guy]]}}). Honestly, it has such an [[Unpleasable Fanbase]] you can find someone that thinks the series [[Jumped the Shark]] at any moment, usually in the form of "(Character X) [[Out of Focus|hasn't done anything in months]], it's ruined!" Additionally, there's also a segment of the fandom that has said the [[Time Skip]] was when they stopped liking it, [[Selective Obliviousness|even if most of what they're complaining about didn't happen until quite a while after or had been happening for a while before the time skip itself]] and they more or less seem to just be trying to focus their scorn on something important.
** Then there's - "{{spoiler|Sai told Sakura Naruto loves her... WHAT ABOUT HINATA?!?}}"
** Then there's - "{{spoiler|Sai told Sakura Naruto loves her... WHAT ABOUT HINATA?!?}}"
** The {{spoiler|instant revival of everyone who died during the Invasion of Pain Arc pissed off many fans. Of course, the fans were also pissed when everyone died so now they're thought of as unpleasable.}}
** The {{spoiler|instant revival of everyone who died during the Invasion of Pain Arc pissed off many fans. Of course, the fans were also pissed when everyone died so now they're thought of as unpleasable.}}
** The announcement that ''[[Naruto]] Shippuden'' would air on [[Disney XD]] has obviously not been taken well in certain parts of its [[Fan Dumb|fandom]]. Despite the fact that [[Viz Media]] will still be releasing uncut DVDs, so even if it does turn out to be a [[Macekre]] there won't be that much reason to complain. As can be seen with Marvel below, just being associated with Disney is prone to bring in the ruins.
** The announcement that ''[[Naruto]] Shippuden'' would air on [[Disney XD]] has obviously not been taken well in certain parts of its [[Fan Dumb|fandom]]. Despite the fact that [[Viz Media]] will still be releasing uncut DVDs, so even if it does turn out to be a [[Macekre]] there won't be that much reason to complain. As can be seen with Marvel below, just being associated with Disney is prone to bring in the ruins.
* The ''[[Pokémon (Anime)|Pokémon]]'' anime got this with Misty being [[Put On a Bus]] and fan backlash against May [[Replacement Scrappy|solely for filling the obligatory girl role Misty had]]. There are still some militant fans claiming this long after Dawn took over the girl spot, even though it's been ''years''.
* The ''[[Pokémon (anime)|Pokémon]]'' anime got this with Misty being [[Put on a Bus]] and fan backlash against May [[Replacement Scrappy|solely for filling the obligatory girl role Misty had]]. There are still some militant fans claiming this long after Dawn took over the girl spot, even though it's been ''years''.
** The dubbing of the show also got this claim after it went in-house, mainly due to the resulting voice actor switch. Yes, that's right, [[4Kids! Entertainment|4Kids]] ''losing'' the rights to the show ruined it FOREVER. Wonders never cease.
** The dubbing of the show also got this claim after it went in-house, mainly due to the resulting voice actor switch. Yes, that's right, [[4Kids! Entertainment|4Kids]] ''losing'' the rights to the show ruined it FOREVER. Wonders never cease.
*** That had less to do with 4Kids itself than with the [[The Other Darrin|jarring changes made]] to the voices of characters that fans had become adjusted to. That said, it still fits this trope to a "T".
*** That had less to do with 4Kids itself than with the [[The Other Darrin|jarring changes made]] to the voices of characters that fans had become adjusted to. That said, it still fits this trope to a "T".
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** And now for something not related to the voice actors: OMG they changed the "TO BE CONTINUED" text! And the title of the episode was written in English instead of Japanese with English subtitles! So were the credits! The anime is ruined FOREVER!
** And now for something not related to the voice actors: OMG they changed the "TO BE CONTINUED" text! And the title of the episode was written in English instead of Japanese with English subtitles! So were the credits! The anime is ruined FOREVER!
** Some Team Rocket fans claimed the trio was ruined FOREVER!! when Jessie and James were given black uniforms and a serious promotion, along with a new serious-business attitude. In reality, they were made [[Badass]] and much more awesome, especially since Team Rocket had [[Overused Running Gag|stopped being funny years ago]].
** Some Team Rocket fans claimed the trio was ruined FOREVER!! when Jessie and James were given black uniforms and a serious promotion, along with a new serious-business attitude. In reality, they were made [[Badass]] and much more awesome, especially since Team Rocket had [[Overused Running Gag|stopped being funny years ago]].
*** In fact, the tiniest change to the ''[[Pokémon (Anime)|Pokémon]]'' animé will result in fans complaining that it's Ruined Forever. Ash got dumber? RUINED FOREVER!!! Brock has [[Put On a Bus|left the show]] even though [[Overused Running Gag|him flirting with girls was only funny the first three times]]? RUINED FOREVER!!!
*** In fact, the tiniest change to the ''[[Pokémon (anime)|Pokémon]]'' animé will result in fans complaining that it's Ruined Forever. Ash got dumber? RUINED FOREVER!!! Brock has [[Put on a Bus|left the show]] even though [[Overused Running Gag|him flirting with girls was only funny the first three times]]? RUINED FOREVER!!!
* To expand on that, parts of the online fandom of any given anime tends to say that ''any'' anime that gets [[Subbing Versus Dubbing|dubbed into English]] (no matter how faithfully), is "ruined", despite the fact that no one's ever going to force them to actually ''listen'' to the English audio.
* To expand on that, parts of the online fandom of any given anime tends to say that ''any'' anime that gets [[Subbing Versus Dubbing|dubbed into English]] (no matter how faithfully), is "ruined", despite the fact that no one's ever going to force them to actually ''listen'' to the English audio.
** Even though the Ghibli dubs are generally respected, there are some so-called "true fans" who insist on hating them simply because they're by Disney, and they object to any change to the dialogue, music, that may have been done to these films, stating that these movies have all been destroyed; an argument which is totally fatuous considering that Miyazaki and Ghibli were both involved with the creation of the dubs. If they don't think their works are ruined, who are such "fans" to say otherwise?
** Even though the Ghibli dubs are generally respected, there are some so-called "true fans" who insist on hating them simply because they're by Disney, and they object to any change to the dialogue, music, that may have been done to these films, stating that these movies have all been destroyed; an argument which is totally fatuous considering that Miyazaki and Ghibli were both involved with the creation of the dubs. If they don't think their works are ruined, who are such "fans" to say otherwise?
*** Made even more ironic considering [[Word of God|Miyazaki himself stated]] that for quite a few of his characters he was forced into a form of "[[Accent Adaptation]]" due to the lack of any dialect he felt fit the characters within the Japanese Language. A prime example he named is the Witch of the Waste in "[[Film/Howls Moving Castle|Howls Moving Castle]]".
*** Made even more ironic considering [[Word of God|Miyazaki himself stated]] that for quite a few of his characters he was forced into a form of "[[Accent Adaptation]]" due to the lack of any dialect he felt fit the characters within the Japanese Language. A prime example he named is the Witch of the Waste in "[[Howl's Moving Castle (anime)|Howl's Moving Castle]]".
*** Speaking of that one: Disney let the younger siblings of Miley Cyrus and the Jonas Brothers voice-act Ponyo and Sousuke (respectively) in the English dub of ''[[Ponyo On a Cliff By The Sea]]''? Cue building nerdrage via [[Periphery Hatedom]] by proxy.
*** Speaking of that one: Disney let the younger siblings of Miley Cyrus and the Jonas Brothers voice-act Ponyo and Sousuke (respectively) in the English dub of ''[[Ponyo on the Cliff by the Sea]]''? Cue building nerdrage via [[Periphery Hatedom]] by proxy.
** And on the flipside, with the anime industry scrambling to salvage itself and still turn a profit while still trying to license a diverse bunch of shows, several "niche" shows are being released sub-only. You know, the kinds of shows that put even a large studio like [[Geneon]] out of business because the dub cost so much the show didn't turn a profit. Anime is now ruined FOREVER because the industry is "[[Flipping the Bird|discriminating]]" against dub fans. Strangely, nobody thinks the industry is ruined FOREVER because of the ongoing recession.
** And on the flipside, with the anime industry scrambling to salvage itself and still turn a profit while still trying to license a diverse bunch of shows, several "niche" shows are being released sub-only. You know, the kinds of shows that put even a large studio like [[Geneon]] out of business because the dub cost so much the show didn't turn a profit. Anime is now ruined FOREVER because the industry is "[[Flipping the Bird|discriminating]]" against dub fans. Strangely, nobody thinks the industry is ruined FOREVER because of the ongoing recession.
* The ''[[Pretty Cure]]'' fandom is apparently the [[Distaff Counterpart]] of the ''Transformers'' fandom or something, judging by the [[Internet Backdraft]] that occurs every time the premise of the next series is revealed without fail, complete with one subset that everything needs to go back to the way it was in [[Futari wa Pretty Cure|2004]]. When your fandom complains about ''[[Futari wa Pretty Cure Splash Star]]'' for being an [[Alternate Continuity]], then complains about ''[[Yes Pretty Cure 5|Yes! Pretty Cure 5GoGo!]]'' for ''not'' being an [[Alternate Continuity]]...
* The ''[[Pretty Cure]]'' fandom is apparently the [[Distaff Counterpart]] of the ''Transformers'' fandom or something, judging by the [[Internet Backdraft]] that occurs every time the premise of the next series is revealed without fail, complete with one subset that everything needs to go back to the way it was in [[Futari wa Pretty Cure|2004]]. When your fandom complains about ''[[Futari wa Pretty Cure Splash Star]]'' for being an [[Alternate Continuity]], then complains about ''[[Yes! Pretty Cure 5|Yes! Pretty Cure 5GoGo!]]'' for ''not'' being an [[Alternate Continuity]]...
* It appears to be very common in mainstream mecha anime. Fans have found something to complain about ''in every single episode'' for ''[[Code Geass]]'', ''[[Macross Frontier]]'', and ''[[Gundam 00]]'', with the amount of ruin escalating the higher the episode count is.
* It appears to be very common in mainstream mecha anime. Fans have found something to complain about ''in every single episode'' for ''[[Code Geass]]'', ''[[Macross Frontier]]'', and ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam 00]]'', with the amount of ruin escalating the higher the episode count is.
** ''[[Code Geass]] R2'' in particular has the series FOREVER at least once per episode, according to some [[Fan Dumb|Fan Dumbs]].
** ''[[Code Geass]] R2'' in particular has the series FOREVER at least once per episode, according to some [[Fan Dumb]]s.
* ''[[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann]]'': Yes, even this! {{spoiler|Kamina's death is proclaimed this by some}}. This sentiment usually disappears after they see the rest of the series, and some have since even considered it [[Growing the Beard|the point after which the show got better]].
* ''[[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann]]'': Yes, even this! {{spoiler|Kamina's death is proclaimed this by some}}. This sentiment usually disappears after they see the rest of the series, and some have since even considered it [[Growing the Beard|the point after which the show got better]].
* Many ''[[Fruits Basket]]'' fans cried this when it was revealed that {{spoiler|Akito is female}}, which [[Ship Sinking|sunk ships]] everywhere and created a generally hilarious explosion because we all know that [[Het Is Ew]] and they totally ruined the character for ever and ever.
* Many ''[[Fruits Basket]]'' fans cried this when it was revealed that {{spoiler|Akito is female}}, which [[Ship Sinking|sunk ships]] everywhere and created a generally hilarious explosion because we all know that [[Het Is Ew]] and they totally ruined the character for ever and ever.
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** Erstwhile members of the [[Yuri Fan|Lily Appreciation Society]] need not abandon ''all'' hope; a girl named Lily has been named as co-protagonist. [[Meaningful Name|Coincidence?]]
** Erstwhile members of the [[Yuri Fan|Lily Appreciation Society]] need not abandon ''all'' hope; a girl named Lily has been named as co-protagonist. [[Meaningful Name|Coincidence?]]
*** Unfortunately, Touma has a working relationship with Subaru...oh shit...
*** Unfortunately, Touma has a working relationship with Subaru...oh shit...
** Some argue that ''[[Striker S (Anime)|Striker S]]'' ruined the series forever, particularly by [[Demoted to Extra|drastically reducing certain characters' screentime]], [[Put On a Bus|if not writing them out entirely]] (Particularly [[Romantic Runner-Up|Yuuno]]).
** Some argue that ''[[Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS|Striker S]]'' ruined the series forever, particularly by [[Demoted to Extra|drastically reducing certain characters' screentime]], [[Put on a Bus|if not writing them out entirely]] (Particularly [[Romantic Runner-Up|Yuuno]]).
*** It should also be noted that fans of the [[Romantic Two-Girl Friendship|Nanoha/Fate pairing]] who RAGE at having a male protagonist in the ''Force'' manga actually ''adore'' and ''worship'' StrikerS for making the heroines [[Romantic Two-Girl Friendship|share a bed]], have six-year-old [[Clone Jesus|Vivio]] [[Has Two Mommies|call both of them 'mama']] and, thanks to the [[Audio Adaptation|sound stages]], be called 'The Takamachi Family'. Not to mention that they are very glad about the [[Put On a Bus|the almost-disappearance]] of [[Romantic Runner-Up|Yuuno]].
*** It should also be noted that fans of the [[Romantic Two-Girl Friendship|Nanoha/Fate pairing]] who RAGE at having a male protagonist in the ''Force'' manga actually ''adore'' and ''worship'' StrikerS for making the heroines [[Romantic Two-Girl Friendship|share a bed]], have six-year-old [[Clone Jesus|Vivio]] [[Has Two Mommies|call both of them 'mama']] and, thanks to the [[Audio Adaptation|sound stages]], be called 'The Takamachi Family'. Not to mention that they are very glad about the [[Put on a Bus|the almost-disappearance]] of [[Romantic Runner-Up|Yuuno]].
** "''FORCE'' is no longer a magical girl show! RAEG!"
** "''FORCE'' is no longer a magical girl show! RAEG!"
** [[Badass Decay|What have they done to]] {{spoiler|Signum and Hayate}}!? God damn you, this is no longer Nanoha!
** [[Badass Decay|What have they done to]] {{spoiler|Signum and Hayate}}!? God damn you, this is no longer Nanoha!
* Fans have different opinions on where this happened in ''[[Bleach]]''.
* Fans have different opinions on where this happened in ''[[Bleach]]''.
** 1.) {{spoiler|When [[An Ice Person|Hitsugaya]] (presumably) beat Halibel}} there was a sudden influx of "Bleach is ta lose!!11one!" {{spoiler|When it was revealed that he hadn't even scratched her, very few of those who declared the series ruined came forward to retract their previous assessment.}}
** 1.) {{spoiler|When [[An Ice Person|Hitsugaya]] (presumably) beat Halibel}} there was a sudden influx of "Bleach is ta lose!!11one!" {{spoiler|When it was revealed that he hadn't even scratched her, very few of those who declared the series ruined came forward to retract their previous assessment.}}
*** Particularly sad considering the lack of genre savviness of these viewers; when has trapping an opponent in ice ever worked? (except in Fairy Tail)
*** Particularly sad considering the lack of genre savviness of these viewers; when has trapping an opponent in ice ever worked? (except in Fairy Tail)
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*** Many readers following the chapter releases online actually embraced the whole thing and started to enjoy the many inventive ways the author can come up with to "ruin" his manga. The most ridiculous the development, the better! Kubo himself stated that he really loves designing characters and admits to creating new ones as a way to get himself out of writer's block.
*** Many readers following the chapter releases online actually embraced the whole thing and started to enjoy the many inventive ways the author can come up with to "ruin" his manga. The most ridiculous the development, the better! Kubo himself stated that he really loves designing characters and admits to creating new ones as a way to get himself out of writer's block.
** Special mention should probably also go to {{spoiler|Yammy's [[Reveal]] as the 0 Espada}}, which tended to be viewed as a) wall-bangingly [[Ass Pull|stupid]], b) hilarious, c) [[Crowning Moment of Awesome|awesome]], or d) some combination of the above.
** Special mention should probably also go to {{spoiler|Yammy's [[Reveal]] as the 0 Espada}}, which tended to be viewed as a) wall-bangingly [[Ass Pull|stupid]], b) hilarious, c) [[Crowning Moment of Awesome|awesome]], or d) some combination of the above.
**** This has not been stressed enough. Every time something happens in Bleach, it's ruined forever. Starrk didn't kill a billion Captains? He was pointless. Ulquiorra is popular? He's being milked. People expected more of the Vasto Lordes? Kubo overhyped them. The Fake Karakura Town Arc? Too much fighting, not enough character development. The beginning of the Lost Agent Arc? This is so slow it's worse than filler! Kyoraku didn't reveal his Bankai & that's terrible, but the series should have ended anyway. The point here is that the fanbase is unpleasable.
**** This has not been stressed enough. Every time something happens in Bleach, it's ruined forever. Starrk didn't kill a billion Captains? He was pointless. Ulquiorra is popular? He's being milked. People expected more of the Vasto Lordes? Kubo overhyped them. The Fake Karakura Town Arc? Too much fighting, not enough character development. The beginning of the Lost Agent Arc? This is so slow it's worse than filler! Kyoraku didn't reveal his Bankai & that's terrible, but the series should have ended anyway. The point here is that the fanbase is unpleasable.
** There was also a case of this during the Deicide in which the "fans" had a problem with, wait for it..., the name; complaining endlessly that Tite is an idiot who couldn't spell the word decide right. Said "fans" tended to ignore the possibility that Deicide could possibly be a word itself and didn't even bother to do a simple Google search to do the research. Like the above example very few retracted their statements. It pains this troper how little common sense and basic dignity is left in the Bleach Fandom nowadays, though granted, of cource, that these are only the vocal minority.
** There was also a case of this during the Deicide in which the "fans" had a problem with, wait for it..., the name; complaining endlessly that Tite is an idiot who couldn't spell the word decide right. Said "fans" tended to ignore the possibility that Deicide could possibly be a word itself and didn't even bother to do a simple Google search to do the research. Like the above example very few retracted their statements. It pains this troper how little common sense and basic dignity is left in the Bleach Fandom nowadays, though granted, of cource, that these are only the vocal minority.
* Some people say that {{spoiler|L's death}} did this to ''[[Death Note (Manga)|Death Note]]''.
* Some people say that {{spoiler|L's death}} did this to ''[[Death Note]]''.
* Some sections of the ''[[Umineko no Naku Koro Ni (Visual Novel)|Umineko no Naku Koro Ni]]'' fanbase tend to think every new and irritating bit in [[The Anime of the Game]] (which there is admittedly quite a lot of) has Ruined the series FOREVER. Particularly cutting out all the real-world parts of EP4 after {{spoiler|George and Jessica kill each other}} to give more time to the Meta-World sequences and backstory for a somewhat [[Creator's Pet]]-ified Ange.
* Some sections of the ''[[Umineko no Naku Koro ni]]'' fanbase tend to think every new and irritating bit in [[The Anime of the Game]] (which there is admittedly quite a lot of) has Ruined the series FOREVER. Particularly cutting out all the real-world parts of EP4 after {{spoiler|George and Jessica kill each other}} to give more time to the Meta-World sequences and backstory for a somewhat [[Creator's Pet]]-ified Ange.
* A second season for the anime ''[[Black Butler (Manga)|Black Butler]]'' was announced... featuring an original new protagonist and Butler not from the previous season or manga, and not Ciel and Sebastian. Cue the wailing of thousands of yaoi fangirls around the internet. Which, as it later turned out, was A-1 Pictures just trolling the fandom.
* A second season for the anime ''[[Black Butler]]'' was announced... featuring an original new protagonist and Butler not from the previous season or manga, and not Ciel and Sebastian. Cue the wailing of thousands of yaoi fangirls around the internet. Which, as it later turned out, was A-1 Pictures just trolling the fandom.
* ''[[One Piece (Manga)|One Piece]]'' started getting these accusations once {{spoiler|Portgas D. Ace bit the dust, breaking the tradition of not killing named characters, except in flashbacks, that was maintained for 13 years of publication.}}
* ''[[One Piece]]'' started getting these accusations once {{spoiler|Portgas D. Ace bit the dust, breaking the tradition of not killing named characters, except in flashbacks, that was maintained for 13 years of publication.}}
** Named characters '''have''' died, there had just been too many Disney Deaths.
** Named characters '''have''' died, there had just been too many Disney Deaths.
** And then, after {{spoiler|there was confirmation of a [[Time Skip]] happening, it started rising again.}}
** And then, after {{spoiler|there was confirmation of a [[Time Skip]] happening, it started rising again.}}
** Some people complained about Hancock falling in love with Luffy because it would ruin the series being strictly [[No Hugging, No Kissing]]. Thankfully, this was averted.
** Some people complained about Hancock falling in love with Luffy because it would ruin the series being strictly [[No Hugging, No Kissing]]. Thankfully, this was averted.
* Oh cool, [[Sarcasm Mode|FINALLY]] there will be a LatAm dub for ''[[Dragonball Z Kai]]''. Oh wait... there were economic issues? Half of the original [[Voice Actor|VAs]] refused to dub? [[They Changed It, Now It Sucks|THEY WERE REPLACED BY COMPLETE STRANGERS?! INCLUDING THE SINGER?!!]]
* Oh cool, [[Sarcasm Mode|FINALLY]] there will be a LatAm dub for ''[[Dragonball Z Kai]]''. Oh wait... there were economic issues? Half of the original [[Voice Actor|VAs]] refused to dub? [[They Changed It, Now It Sucks|THEY WERE REPLACED BY COMPLETE STRANGERS?! INCLUDING THE SINGER?!!]]
* Parodied in ''[[Darker Than Black (Anime)|Darker Than Black]]'' with Kiko and her otaku friend. After months of giddy anticipation over the next release of their favorite anime, they storm out in anger over how it's [[Ruined FOREVER]], and Kiko ''will not let the director get away with this''!
* Parodied in ''[[Darker than Black]]'' with Kiko and her otaku friend. After months of giddy anticipation over the next release of their favorite anime, they storm out in anger over how it's [[Ruined FOREVER]], and Kiko ''will not let the director get away with this''!
* ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ (Anime)|Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ]]'' was [[Wham! Episode|such a shift in demeanor]] from the much darker ''[[Zeta Gundam]]'' that much of the fandom [[Fanon Discontinuity|would prefer not to think it happened.]]
* ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ]]'' was [[Wham! Episode|such a shift in demeanor]] from the much darker ''[[Zeta Gundam]]'' that much of the fandom [[Fanon Discontinuity|would prefer not to think it happened.]]
** You thought the fans' reactions to ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ (Anime)|Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ]]'' were bad? Well, it doesn't even compare to how much flak ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam Age]]'' is receiving. Universal Century and [[Mobile Suit Gundam 00 (Anime)|Anno Domini]] fans seem to forget, however, that Tomino [[Fan Dumb|specifically made Gundam for the younger generations.]]
** You thought the fans' reactions to ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ]]'' were bad? Well, it doesn't even compare to how much flak ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam AGE]]'' is receiving. Universal Century and [[Mobile Suit Gundam 00|Anno Domini]] fans seem to forget, however, that Tomino [[Fan Dumb|specifically made Gundam for the younger generations.]]
** According to some fans, ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam Seed Destiny]]'' utterly destroyed the ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam Seed]]'' fandom. So much so, that these fans will go so far as to pretend it didn't even happen lest SEED's reputation not be salvaged.
** According to some fans, ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny]]'' utterly destroyed the ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam SEED]]'' fandom. So much so, that these fans will go so far as to pretend it didn't even happen lest SEED's reputation not be salvaged.
* Wait, [[Steve Blum]] ''isn't'' reprising his role as the title character in the ''[[Wolverine (Anime)|anime adaption of Wolverine]]''. Booooooo Marvel and G4!! '''RUINED FOREVER!'''
* Wait, [[Steve Blum]] ''isn't'' reprising his role as the title character in the ''[[Wolverine (anime)|anime adaption of Wolverine]]''. Booooooo Marvel and G4!! '''RUINED FOREVER!'''
** Although we got [[Heroes (TV)|Peter Petrelli]] voicing Wolverine instead.
** Although we got [[Heroes (TV series)|Peter Petrelli]] voicing Wolverine instead.
** Heck, the ''entire idea'' of Marvel Anime (having popular Marvel superheroes in anime style made by [[Madhouse]]) may be seen as '''RUINED FOREVER''' by many anime and Marvel fans alike, mainly because having popular American superheroes in Japanese anime style is seen not to fit well with each other. Of course, the reception of the Marvel anime idea received mixed reviews from fans and critics alike.
** Heck, the ''entire idea'' of Marvel Anime (having popular Marvel superheroes in anime style made by [[Madhouse]]) may be seen as '''RUINED FOREVER''' by many anime and Marvel fans alike, mainly because having popular American superheroes in Japanese anime style is seen not to fit well with each other. Of course, the reception of the Marvel anime idea received mixed reviews from fans and critics alike.
* Woohoo! Bandai Entertainment licensed ''[[Tales of the Abyss (Video Game)|Tales of the Abyss]]'' anime for U.S. release, wait...'''sub-only'''. [[Punctuated for Emphasis|WHAT! THE! MOTHER! FUCK! BANDAI!]] Why the fuck did you went for a sub-only release when the video game version had an English dub?!?!!
* Woohoo! Bandai Entertainment licensed ''[[Tales of the Abyss]]'' anime for U.S. release, wait...'''sub-only'''. [[Punctuated! For! Emphasis!|WHAT! THE! MOTHER! FUCK! BANDAI!]] Why the fuck did you went for a sub-only release when the video game version had an English dub?!?!!
* After seeing just ONE episode of ''[[Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni]]'' Kira (the newest OVA), many of the fans are saying this.
* After seeing just ONE episode of ''[[Higurashi no Naku Koro ni]]'' Kira (the newest OVA), many of the fans are saying this.
** The episode in question was about 90% sexual fanservice and isn't even cannon.
** The episode in question was about 90% sexual fanservice and isn't even cannon.
* Many people complain over the Viz re-releases of ''[[Pokémon Special (Manga)|Pokémon Special]]'' for various reasons, the most legitimate complaint being that there seem to be [[No Export for You|no plans to release the third gen story arcs]] until/unless the Ruby/Sapphire remakes come out, leaving out about 15 volumes worth of material out that will inevitably cause massive plot holes and spoilers in the currently on-going Diamond/Pearl arc.
* Many people complain over the Viz re-releases of ''[[Pokémon Special]]'' for various reasons, the most legitimate complaint being that there seem to be [[No Export for You|no plans to release the third gen story arcs]] until/unless the Ruby/Sapphire remakes come out, leaving out about 15 volumes worth of material out that will inevitably cause massive plot holes and spoilers in the currently on-going Diamond/Pearl arc.
* Fans of the ''[[Rosario to Vampire|Rosario + Vampire]]'' manga were outraged when [[GONZO]] made an animé adaptation and threw away the [[Plot]] and [[Character Development|character development]] of the manga in favour of a [[Fan Service]] show with [[Panty Shot|panty shots]] [[Overused Running Gag|every ten seconds]].
* Fans of the ''[[Rosario + Vampire]]'' manga were outraged when [[GONZO]] made an animé adaptation and threw away the [[Plot]] and [[Character Development]] of the manga in favour of a [[Fan Service]] show with [[Panty Shot|panty shots]] [[Overused Running Gag|every ten seconds]].
* It doesn't matter how many years have passed, several fans of ''[[Dragonball]]'' feel the series lost it with the switch to ''[[Dragonball Z]]'' and the more sci-fi and less comedic emphasis, even though in the latter's case the humor was already being toned down a little by the time Piccolo first showed up.
* It doesn't matter how many years have passed, several fans of ''[[Dragon Ball]]'' feel the series lost it with the switch to ''[[Dragonball Z]]'' and the more sci-fi and less comedic emphasis, even though in the latter's case the humor was already being toned down a little by the time Piccolo first showed up.


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  • Fans of the original Haruhi Suzumiya light novels cried foul when the Anachronic Order of the books was different from that of the show; never mind that it was still out of order, the climax was still at the end and it still worked from a storytelling point of view. Then again, they were also in shock that their beloved obscure light novel series was now a Cash Cow Franchise loved by millions.
  • This trope caused the Broken Base of Neon Genesis Evangelion: when it moved into the second half, many of the more traditional shounen fans claimed it was Ruined FOREVER because of being.... Neon Genesis Evangelion. The base broke even further due to End of Evangelion later, which some saw as an example of a Trolling Creator.
    • Fundamentally, End of Evangelion forms an alternate ending for the series, along with the updated "video & LD versions" of episodes 21 through 24. Fans do exist who would have preferred that NGE ended with its television broadcast of the original ending, some considering the updated ending to be unnecessary retcon that soils interpretation of the show.
    • ...and further ruining things is the game Neon Genesis Evangelions (or NGE 2) for PlayStation 2 and PSP. This was released in two iterations during the Aughts and marketed as containing the answers to the show's most niggling secrets. Much of this material has been translated over the years, and there have been no shortage of appreciative fans—but with that comes a vocal minority crying foul that the game reveals too much and ruins the mystery. (Never mind that with every secret spoiled, many more mysteries have been created.)
    • If the new Evangelion movies (the fan-branded "Rebuild") end up being connected in-universe to the original Evangelion series, many Eva fans will cry out "RUINED FOREVER" in a singular voice so terrible that it will knock the planet off-axis.
  • At what point was Armored Trooper VOTOMS Ruined FOREVER for people looking for a hard sci-fi mecha series? Was it Roots of Ambition where Chirico survived a shot in his heart due to Perfect Survivor status? Was it The Shining Heresy where Chirico was Born Lucky enough to do a crazy ricochet fluke shot into the Order Buckler's cockpit and destroying Teitania's Auxillary Brain, Was it the newer OVAs such as Pailsen Files and Phantom Arc for Sunrise copping out on dodgy computer-generated ATs and it basically amounting to needless padding on Chirico's backstory, Some even claim that VOTOMS wasn't very realistic to begin with when the Quent arc rolled around and The Reveal happened. for bonus points, mention the phrase "Child of God." as that aspect of Chirico's character is a sore spot with many fans.
  • Digimon Frontier: What the?! The Digidestined in this series transform into the Digimon?! And there's no real partner dynamic?!
  • Naruto: Most commonly Sasuke being the focus of an entire arc (especially the part about Itachi being a good guy). Honestly, it has such an Unpleasable Fanbase you can find someone that thinks the series Jumped the Shark at any moment, usually in the form of "(Character X) hasn't done anything in months, it's ruined!" Additionally, there's also a segment of the fandom that has said the Time Skip was when they stopped liking it, even if most of what they're complaining about didn't happen until quite a while after or had been happening for a while before the time skip itself and they more or less seem to just be trying to focus their scorn on something important.
    • Then there's - "Sai told Sakura Naruto loves her... WHAT ABOUT HINATA?!?"
    • The instant revival of everyone who died during the Invasion of Pain Arc pissed off many fans. Of course, the fans were also pissed when everyone died so now they're thought of as unpleasable.
    • The announcement that Naruto Shippuden would air on Disney XD has obviously not been taken well in certain parts of its fandom. Despite the fact that Viz Media will still be releasing uncut DVDs, so even if it does turn out to be a Macekre there won't be that much reason to complain. As can be seen with Marvel below, just being associated with Disney is prone to bring in the ruins.
  • The Pokémon anime got this with Misty being Put on a Bus and fan backlash against May solely for filling the obligatory girl role Misty had. There are still some militant fans claiming this long after Dawn took over the girl spot, even though it's been years.
    • The dubbing of the show also got this claim after it went in-house, mainly due to the resulting voice actor switch. Yes, that's right, 4Kids losing the rights to the show ruined it FOREVER. Wonders never cease.
      • That had less to do with 4Kids itself than with the jarring changes made to the voices of characters that fans had become adjusted to. That said, it still fits this trope to a "T".
        • Most of the fans really don't even give a damn anymore, since the new voice actors improved over time (for the most part).
    • And now for something not related to the voice actors: OMG they changed the "TO BE CONTINUED" text! And the title of the episode was written in English instead of Japanese with English subtitles! So were the credits! The anime is ruined FOREVER!
    • Some Team Rocket fans claimed the trio was ruined FOREVER!! when Jessie and James were given black uniforms and a serious promotion, along with a new serious-business attitude. In reality, they were made Badass and much more awesome, especially since Team Rocket had stopped being funny years ago.
  • To expand on that, parts of the online fandom of any given anime tends to say that any anime that gets dubbed into English (no matter how faithfully), is "ruined", despite the fact that no one's ever going to force them to actually listen to the English audio.
    • Even though the Ghibli dubs are generally respected, there are some so-called "true fans" who insist on hating them simply because they're by Disney, and they object to any change to the dialogue, music, that may have been done to these films, stating that these movies have all been destroyed; an argument which is totally fatuous considering that Miyazaki and Ghibli were both involved with the creation of the dubs. If they don't think their works are ruined, who are such "fans" to say otherwise?
      • Made even more ironic considering Miyazaki himself stated that for quite a few of his characters he was forced into a form of "Accent Adaptation" due to the lack of any dialect he felt fit the characters within the Japanese Language. A prime example he named is the Witch of the Waste in "Howl's Moving Castle".
      • Speaking of that one: Disney let the younger siblings of Miley Cyrus and the Jonas Brothers voice-act Ponyo and Sousuke (respectively) in the English dub of Ponyo on the Cliff by the Sea? Cue building nerdrage via Periphery Hatedom by proxy.
    • And on the flipside, with the anime industry scrambling to salvage itself and still turn a profit while still trying to license a diverse bunch of shows, several "niche" shows are being released sub-only. You know, the kinds of shows that put even a large studio like Geneon out of business because the dub cost so much the show didn't turn a profit. Anime is now ruined FOREVER because the industry is "discriminating" against dub fans. Strangely, nobody thinks the industry is ruined FOREVER because of the ongoing recession.
  • The Pretty Cure fandom is apparently the Distaff Counterpart of the Transformers fandom or something, judging by the Internet Backdraft that occurs every time the premise of the next series is revealed without fail, complete with one subset that everything needs to go back to the way it was in 2004. When your fandom complains about Futari wa Pretty Cure Splash Star for being an Alternate Continuity, then complains about Yes! Pretty Cure 5GoGo! for not being an Alternate Continuity...
  • It appears to be very common in mainstream mecha anime. Fans have found something to complain about in every single episode for Code Geass, Macross Frontier, and Mobile Suit Gundam 00, with the amount of ruin escalating the higher the episode count is.
    • Code Geass R2 in particular has the series FOREVER at least once per episode, according to some Fan Dumbs.
  • Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann: Yes, even this! Kamina's death is proclaimed this by some. This sentiment usually disappears after they see the rest of the series, and some have since even considered it the point after which the show got better.
  • Many Fruits Basket fans cried this when it was revealed that Akito is female, which sunk ships everywhere and created a generally hilarious explosion because we all know that Het Is Ew and they totally ruined the character for ever and ever.
  • "What's this, the upcoming Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha sequel manga will have a male protagonist? OUR LESBIAN DREAMS!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!" Note that the new protagonist has his own love interests, so he can't interfere with the main characters from the previous series anyway...
  • Fans have different opinions on where this happened in Bleach.
    • 1.) When Hitsugaya (presumably) beat Halibel there was a sudden influx of "Bleach is ta lose!!11one!" When it was revealed that he hadn't even scratched her, very few of those who declared the series ruined came forward to retract their previous assessment.
      • Particularly sad considering the lack of genre savviness of these viewers; when has trapping an opponent in ice ever worked? (except in Fairy Tail)
    • 2.) Since the start of the Soul Society arc.
    • 3.) Since the END of the Soul Society arc, and into the filler Bount Arc that seemed to go on forever.
    • 4.) Almost any point after the start of Ichigo vs. Ulquiorra.
      • Many readers following the chapter releases online actually embraced the whole thing and started to enjoy the many inventive ways the author can come up with to "ruin" his manga. The most ridiculous the development, the better! Kubo himself stated that he really loves designing characters and admits to creating new ones as a way to get himself out of writer's block.
    • Special mention should probably also go to Yammy's Reveal as the 0 Espada, which tended to be viewed as a) wall-bangingly stupid, b) hilarious, c) awesome, or d) some combination of the above.
        • This has not been stressed enough. Every time something happens in Bleach, it's ruined forever. Starrk didn't kill a billion Captains? He was pointless. Ulquiorra is popular? He's being milked. People expected more of the Vasto Lordes? Kubo overhyped them. The Fake Karakura Town Arc? Too much fighting, not enough character development. The beginning of the Lost Agent Arc? This is so slow it's worse than filler! Kyoraku didn't reveal his Bankai & that's terrible, but the series should have ended anyway. The point here is that the fanbase is unpleasable.
    • There was also a case of this during the Deicide in which the "fans" had a problem with, wait for it..., the name; complaining endlessly that Tite is an idiot who couldn't spell the word decide right. Said "fans" tended to ignore the possibility that Deicide could possibly be a word itself and didn't even bother to do a simple Google search to do the research. Like the above example very few retracted their statements. It pains this troper how little common sense and basic dignity is left in the Bleach Fandom nowadays, though granted, of cource, that these are only the vocal minority.
  • Some people say that L's death did this to Death Note.
  • Some sections of the Umineko no Naku Koro ni fanbase tend to think every new and irritating bit in The Anime of the Game (which there is admittedly quite a lot of) has Ruined the series FOREVER. Particularly cutting out all the real-world parts of EP4 after George and Jessica kill each other to give more time to the Meta-World sequences and backstory for a somewhat Creator's Pet-ified Ange.
  • A second season for the anime Black Butler was announced... featuring an original new protagonist and Butler not from the previous season or manga, and not Ciel and Sebastian. Cue the wailing of thousands of yaoi fangirls around the internet. Which, as it later turned out, was A-1 Pictures just trolling the fandom.
  • One Piece started getting these accusations once Portgas D. Ace bit the dust, breaking the tradition of not killing named characters, except in flashbacks, that was maintained for 13 years of publication.
    • Named characters have died, there had just been too many Disney Deaths.
    • And then, after there was confirmation of a Time Skip happening, it started rising again.
    • Some people complained about Hancock falling in love with Luffy because it would ruin the series being strictly No Hugging, No Kissing. Thankfully, this was averted.
  • Oh cool, FINALLY there will be a LatAm dub for Dragonball Z Kai. Oh wait... there were economic issues? Half of the original VAs refused to dub? THEY WERE REPLACED BY COMPLETE STRANGERS?! INCLUDING THE SINGER?!!
  • Parodied in Darker than Black with Kiko and her otaku friend. After months of giddy anticipation over the next release of their favorite anime, they storm out in anger over how it's Ruined FOREVER, and Kiko will not let the director get away with this!
  • Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ was such a shift in demeanor from the much darker Zeta Gundam that much of the fandom would prefer not to think it happened.
  • Wait, Steve Blum isn't reprising his role as the title character in the anime adaption of Wolverine. Booooooo Marvel and G4!! RUINED FOREVER!
    • Although we got Peter Petrelli voicing Wolverine instead.
    • Heck, the entire idea of Marvel Anime (having popular Marvel superheroes in anime style made by Madhouse) may be seen as RUINED FOREVER by many anime and Marvel fans alike, mainly because having popular American superheroes in Japanese anime style is seen not to fit well with each other. Of course, the reception of the Marvel anime idea received mixed reviews from fans and critics alike.
  • Woohoo! Bandai Entertainment licensed Tales of the Abyss anime for U.S. release, wait...sub-only. WHAT! THE! MOTHER! FUCK! BANDAI! Why the fuck did you went for a sub-only release when the video game version had an English dub?!?!!
  • After seeing just ONE episode of Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kira (the newest OVA), many of the fans are saying this.
    • The episode in question was about 90% sexual fanservice and isn't even cannon.
  • Many people complain over the Viz re-releases of Pokémon Special for various reasons, the most legitimate complaint being that there seem to be no plans to release the third gen story arcs until/unless the Ruby/Sapphire remakes come out, leaving out about 15 volumes worth of material out that will inevitably cause massive plot holes and spoilers in the currently on-going Diamond/Pearl arc.
  • Fans of the Rosario + Vampire manga were outraged when GONZO made an animé adaptation and threw away the Plot and Character Development of the manga in favour of a Fan Service show with panty shots every ten seconds.
  • It doesn't matter how many years have passed, several fans of Dragon Ball feel the series lost it with the switch to Dragonball Z and the more sci-fi and less comedic emphasis, even though in the latter's case the humor was already being toned down a little by the time Piccolo first showed up.
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