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While too many authors using the same obvious [[Expies]] could be considered a worrying trend in terms of originality, it [[Tropes Are Not Bad|isn't an inherently bad thing.]] As a longer time passes, creators might be more and more likely to make bigger changes to the character, eventually growing it into a whole new [[Character Archetype]] trope on its own. In other cases, it's possible that the resulting characters are too different even for that: Talented writers can explore certain aspects of a character with an expy, and other aspects with another expy, in a way, that if you would compare the two expies, they wouldn't even appear that similar ''to each other''. While it's possible that a [[Fountain of Expies]] also serves as a [[Trope Codifier]] for the character's most fundamental tropes, other times the shared similarities are more vague.
While too many authors using the same obvious [[Expies]] could be considered a worrying trend in terms of originality, it [[Tropes Are Not Bad|isn't an inherently bad thing.]] As a longer time passes, creators might be more and more likely to make bigger changes to the character, eventually growing it into a whole new [[Character Archetype]] trope on its own. In other cases, it's possible that the resulting characters are too different even for that: Talented writers can explore certain aspects of a character with an expy, and other aspects with another expy, in a way, that if you would compare the two expies, they wouldn't even appear that similar ''to each other''. While it's possible that a [[Fountain of Expies]] also serves as a [[Trope Codifier]] for the character's most fundamental tropes, other times the shared similarities are more vague.


A [[Super Trope]] to [[Overused Copycat Character]] (when a work jokes about how many times a certain character has been copied).
A [[Super-Trope]] to [[Overused Copycat Character]] (when a work jokes about how many times a certain character has been copied).


In the following "subtropes" list, only add trope pages whose descriptions are explicitly based on the idea of collecting characters that are based on a first one. There are other tropes that were more indirectly [[Trope Maker|started]] or [[Trope Codifier|codified]] by certain characters, but these should only be referenced in the second, character-based listing.
In the following "subtropes" list, only add trope pages whose descriptions are explicitly based on the idea of collecting characters that are based on a first one. There are other tropes that were more indirectly [[Trope Maker|started]] or [[Trope Codifier|codified]] by certain characters, but these should only be referenced in the second, character-based listing.
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** The hairdo part is [[Lampshaded]] by an NPC in ''[[Chrono Trigger (Video Game)|Chrono Trigger]]'', the main character of which looks quite a bit like Goku. In fact, he was designed by Toriyama himself.
** The hairdo part is [[Lampshaded]] by an NPC in ''[[Chrono Trigger (Video Game)|Chrono Trigger]]'', the main character of which looks quite a bit like Goku. In fact, he was designed by Toriyama himself.
** Also, Vegeta himself helped define the concept of [[The Rival]] archtype. You could most likely list some of the expies as much as you could the [[Rei Ayanami Expy|Rei]] or [[Shana Clone|Shana Clones]].
** Also, Vegeta himself helped define the concept of [[The Rival]] archtype. You could most likely list some of the expies as much as you could the [[Rei Ayanami Expy|Rei]] or [[Shana Clone|Shana Clones]].
*** And of course Veget himself can be seen as an expy of Piccolo, and Piccolo an expy of Tien. The three of them define [[The Rival]] archetype and are all [[Anti-Hero|Anti-Heroic]], [[The Stoic|cold]], [[Ineffectual Loner|loners]], [[Foil|to show the contrast with]] [[The Hero|the heroic]], [[Hot Blooded|loud]], and [[The Messiah|friendly]] Goku.
*** And of course Veget himself can be seen as an expy of Piccolo, and Piccolo an expy of Tien. The three of them define [[The Rival]] archetype and are all [[Anti-Hero|Anti-Heroic]], [[The Stoic|cold]], [[Ineffectual Loner|loners]], [[Foil|to show the contrast with]] [[The Hero|the heroic]], [[Hot-Blooded|loud]], and [[The Messiah|friendly]] Goku.
* Another Shonen Jump starter was ''[[Yu Yu Hakusho (Manga)|Yu Yu Hakusho]]'''s [[Fallen Hero|Sensui]]. Before him there were just [[Arrogant Kung Fu Guy]] and [[Smug Snake]] [[Chessmaster]] villains in anime/manga, then with his extremely suave persuasions, [[Villain Sue|extremely broken]] ([[Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds|in more ways]] [[Alas, Poor Villain|than one]]) {{[[[Story Breaker Power]] abilities}} and able to turn [[Gambit Roulette|every little mishap to his advantage]], is what defines today's anime/manga (particularly [[Shonen]]) villains. Just ask [[Bleach (Manga)|Aizen]], [[Naruto (Manga)|Madara]], [[One Piece (Manga)|Blackbeard]], [[Katekyo Hitman Reborn (Manga)|Byakuran]] and [[Fullmetal Alchemist (Manga)|Father]].
* Another Shonen Jump starter was ''[[Yu Yu Hakusho (Manga)|Yu Yu Hakusho]]'''s [[Fallen Hero|Sensui]]. Before him there were just [[Arrogant Kung Fu Guy]] and [[Smug Snake]] [[Chessmaster]] villains in anime/manga, then with his extremely suave persuasions, [[Villain Sue|extremely broken]] ([[Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds|in more ways]] [[Alas, Poor Villain|than one]]) {{[[[Story-Breaker Power]] abilities}} and able to turn [[Gambit Roulette|every little mishap to his advantage]], is what defines today's anime/manga (particularly [[Shonen]]) villains. Just ask [[Bleach (Manga)|Aizen]], [[Naruto (Manga)|Madara]], [[One Piece (Manga)|Blackbeard]], [[Katekyo Hitman Reborn (Manga)|Byakuran]] and [[Fullmetal Alchemist (Manga)|Father]].
** Though Sensui has some more traditionally ''direct'' (as in, based directly on ''him'' in particular and not just the type of overpowered shounen [[Anti-Villain]] he created) expies as well- [[Filler Villain|Jin]] [[Bleach (Manga)|Kariya]], [[Hunter X Hunter|Chrollo]] (unsurprisingly, from a manga by [[Yoshihiro Togashi|the same author]]) and [[Saiyuki (Manga)|Homura]].
** Though Sensui has some more traditionally ''direct'' (as in, based directly on ''him'' in particular and not just the type of overpowered shounen [[Anti-Villain]] he created) expies as well- [[Filler Villain|Jin]] [[Bleach (Manga)|Kariya]], [[Hunter X Hunter|Chrollo]] (unsurprisingly, from a manga by [[Yoshihiro Togashi|the same author]]) and [[Saiyuki (Manga)|Homura]].
* [[Captain Harlock (Anime)|Captain Harlock]] is very iconic in [[Space Opera]] anime, and he shows up damn near everywhere in anything where there are huge spacey battleships. Notable Harlock expies include [[Last Exile (Anime)|Alex Row]], stoic renegade captain of the legendary steampunk battleship "Kill'em All" Silvana, and the villainous [[Cowboy Bebop (Anime)|Vicious]], who even has the weird bird, probably to make up for his distinct lack of a battleship.
* [[Captain Harlock (Anime)|Captain Harlock]] is very iconic in [[Space Opera]] anime, and he shows up damn near everywhere in anything where there are huge spacey battleships. Notable Harlock expies include [[Last Exile (Anime)|Alex Row]], stoic renegade captain of the legendary steampunk battleship "Kill'em All" Silvana, and the villainous [[Cowboy Bebop (Anime)|Vicious]], who even has the weird bird, probably to make up for his distinct lack of a battleship.
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** If there are expies of Superman and Batman in a story there is probably an [[Wonder Woman]] expy somewhere there to complete the Trinity.
** If there are expies of Superman and Batman in a story there is probably an [[Wonder Woman]] expy somewhere there to complete the Trinity.
** Robin as well [[Trope Codifier|set the pace]] for the [[Sidekick]] in comics. Following his creation, numerous other Kid sidekicks were created, [[Bucky Barnes|Bucky]], [[Aquaman (Comic Book)|Aqualad]], [[Green Arrow|Speedy]], [[The Flash|Kid Flash]], the list goes on.
** Robin as well [[Trope Codifier|set the pace]] for the [[Sidekick]] in comics. Following his creation, numerous other Kid sidekicks were created, [[Bucky Barnes|Bucky]], [[Aquaman (Comic Book)|Aqualad]], [[Green Arrow|Speedy]], [[The Flash|Kid Flash]], the list goes on.
* ''[[Wolverine]]''. Nearly every "[[Nineties Anti Hero|exciting new character]]" introduced in the [[Dark Age|Dark Age of Comics]] was a cheap knockoff of him.
* ''[[Wolverine]]''. Nearly every "[[Nineties Anti-Hero|exciting new character]]" introduced in the [[Dark Age|Dark Age of Comics]] was a cheap knockoff of him.
* ''[[Conan the Barbarian]]'': The most well known [[Barbarian Hero]], whenever he's brought to pulps, paperback novels, comics or motion pictures, he always brings with him a slew of imitators.
* ''[[Conan the Barbarian]]'': The most well known [[Barbarian Hero]], whenever he's brought to pulps, paperback novels, comics or motion pictures, he always brings with him a slew of imitators.
* In the [[Golden Age]], there were countless Expies of ''[[Mandrake the Magician]]'', usually complete with top hat and tails. The most well-remembered one is [[Zatanna|Zatanna's]] dad Zatara.
* In the [[Golden Age]], there were countless Expies of ''[[Mandrake the Magician]]'', usually complete with top hat and tails. The most well-remembered one is [[Zatanna|Zatanna's]] dad Zatara.

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"And there's a million of us just like me

Who cuss like me; who just don't give a fuck like me

Who dress like me; Who walk, talk, and act like me

And just might be the next best thing, But not quite me!"
Eminem, The Real Slim Shady

A character who is so popular and impactful that many other characters created afterwards are heavily inspired by it. They share even more than its Character Archetypes, they are its Expies: basically the same old character recycled, with some minor changes, to make it fit into the new setting. The original one gives inspiration not just for their basic Characterization Tropes, but for parts of their relationship dynamics, personality, and appearance.

While too many authors using the same obvious Expies could be considered a worrying trend in terms of originality, it isn't an inherently bad thing. As a longer time passes, creators might be more and more likely to make bigger changes to the character, eventually growing it into a whole new Character Archetype trope on its own. In other cases, it's possible that the resulting characters are too different even for that: Talented writers can explore certain aspects of a character with an expy, and other aspects with another expy, in a way, that if you would compare the two expies, they wouldn't even appear that similar to each other. While it's possible that a Fountain of Expies also serves as a Trope Codifier for the character's most fundamental tropes, other times the shared similarities are more vague.

A Super-Trope to Overused Copycat Character (when a work jokes about how many times a certain character has been copied).

In the following "subtropes" list, only add trope pages whose descriptions are explicitly based on the idea of collecting characters that are based on a first one. There are other tropes that were more indirectly started or codified by certain characters, but these should only be referenced in the second, character-based listing.


Subtropes:


Other examples:

Anime and Manga

Comic Books

Film

  • It is perhaps easier to count the number of Adventurer Archaeologists who are not Indiana Jones clones than the number of those that are.
  • Audrey II, who brought you other Man Eating Plants like the Piranha Plants from Super Mario Bros
  • King Kong may be the single most referenced character who is not technically in the public domain, but it hasn't stopped many from copying him (probably because it's rather difficult to copyright a giant ape, whether we all know who it is or not). This was proved when Universal Studios famously sued Nintendo over Donkey Kong; they lost because they'd previously successfully argued a giant ape climbing a building was a public domain.

Literature

Video Games

Western Animation

  • Back in the early 1930s, every new cartoon character that came along was a Mickey Mouse clone. Ironically, Mickey himself was merely following the formula established the decade before by Felix the Cat, and more than one person has stated that he was merely Disney's previous star Oswald the Lucky Rabbit with round ears and a long tail.
    • Some people theorize that the whole "black skin, white mouth" genre of funny animals started out as an animated version of minstrel shows.