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In certain stories, especially epic fantasy, there is a correlation between the [[Weapon of Choice|weapon style characters or groups use]], and how they are portrayed in the film.
In certain stories, especially epic fantasy, there is a correlation between the [[Weapon of Choice|weapon style characters or groups use]], and how they are portrayed in the film.


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*** The flame pattern is actually a defensive measure: it was meant so that when the person with the flamberge parried with it, the attacker would receive a shock as his own weapon slid down the flame pattern and vibrated rapidly, numbing the attacker's arm. But since the goal of the design is to temporarily paralyze a limb, it still stands somewhat justified.
*** The flame pattern is actually a defensive measure: it was meant so that when the person with the flamberge parried with it, the attacker would receive a shock as his own weapon slid down the flame pattern and vibrated rapidly, numbing the attacker's arm. But since the goal of the design is to temporarily paralyze a limb, it still stands somewhat justified.
**** Only applicable on rapiers and similar swords designed for fencing / cut-and-thrust. Flamberge-style zweihänders were designed to break polearm formations by knocking the enemy weapons away and then snapping the shafts. More than anything, the flamberge simply ''looks meaner''.
**** Only applicable on rapiers and similar swords designed for fencing / cut-and-thrust. Flamberge-style zweihänders were designed to break polearm formations by knocking the enemy weapons away and then snapping the shafts. More than anything, the flamberge simply ''looks meaner''.
*** Similarly, stay the hell away from anyone wielding a serrated blade.
*** Similarly, stay the hell away from anyone wielding a serrated blade.
** [[Bifurcated Weapon|Single Weapon That Splits Into Multiple]]: Good. Although that is changing as recent works have seen more badguys using this tactic in their weapons.
** [[Bifurcated Weapon|Single Weapon That Splits Into Multiple]]: Good. Although that is changing as recent works have seen more badguys using this tactic in their weapons.
* Katana and Rapiers: Either way, but a favorite weapon of the [[Wicked Cultured]], the [[Rival]], or the [[Sixth Ranger]]. They're too cool for [[Mooks]] in any case.
* Katana and Rapiers: Either way, but a favorite weapon of the [[Wicked Cultured]], the [[Rival]], or the [[Sixth Ranger]]. They're too cool for [[Mooks]] in any case.
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* Dirk, Longsword, Etc: Sign of a [[Knight in Shining Armor]]. Heroic. If used by a villain, it will generally be a [[BFS]].
* Dirk, Longsword, Etc: Sign of a [[Knight in Shining Armor]]. Heroic. If used by a villain, it will generally be a [[BFS]].
* [[An Axe to Grind|Axes]]: Evil, unless used by [[Our Dwarves Are All the Same|dwarves]] or heroic barbarians.
* [[An Axe to Grind|Axes]]: Evil, unless used by [[Our Dwarves Are All the Same|dwarves]] or heroic barbarians.
** Tomahawks: [[Noble Savage|Good nowadays]], [[Noble Savage]] trait from nowadays to [[Once-Acceptable Targets|a few decades back]], and villainous (in Westerns) before that.
** Tomahawks: [[Noble Savage|Good nowadays]], [[Noble Savage]] trait from nowadays to [[Once-Acceptable Targets|a few decades back]], and villainous (in Westerns) before that.
* [[Drop the Hammer|Hammers]]: More likely to be good than axes due to not overtly spilling blood, and normally used by [[The Big Guy]]. Sometimes shows up in the hands of brutish bad guys, though.
* [[Drop the Hammer|Hammers]]: More likely to be good than axes due to not overtly spilling blood, and normally used by [[The Big Guy]]. Sometimes shows up in the hands of brutish bad guys, though.
* Club: Either way; [[Spikes of Villainy|bad guys like to add spikes.]] Generally a sign of brutish, unintelligent characters.
* Club: Either way; [[Spikes of Villainy|bad guys like to add spikes.]] Generally a sign of brutish, unintelligent characters.
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** [[Guns Akimbo|Two Handguns]]: [[Badass]]
** [[Guns Akimbo|Two Handguns]]: [[Badass]]
* Assault Rifles: Evil if it's a Communist AK-47, good if it's an American M16. Either way, usually not a main character.
* Assault Rifles: Evil if it's a Communist AK-47, good if it's an American M16. Either way, usually not a main character.
* [[Hand Cannon|Hand Cannons]]: [[Anti-Hero]]. Common in [[Film Noir]], detective stories and cyberpunk.
* [[Hand Cannon]]s: [[Anti-Hero]]. Common in [[Film Noir]], detective stories and cyberpunk.
* Submachine Guns: Mainly used by mooks, antiheroes or villains.
* Submachine Guns: Mainly used by mooks, antiheroes or villains.
* [[Sawed-Off Shotgun|Sawed Off Shotguns]]: Evil, or at least [[Anti-Hero|Anti Heroic]], except when facing zombies.
* [[Sawed-Off Shotgun|Sawed Off Shotguns]]: Evil, or at least [[Anti-Hero|Anti Heroic]], except when facing zombies.
* [[Sniper Rifle|Sniper Rifles]]: Sign of a villainous assassin, [[Villain Protagonist]], or [[Psycho for Hire]]. Hero characters using one of these are usually in the role of the [[Hero Secret Service|guardian angel]], the guy whose role is to shut down bad guys trying to ambush another hero.
* [[Sniper Rifle]]s: Sign of a villainous assassin, [[Villain Protagonist]], or [[Psycho for Hire]]. Hero characters using one of these are usually in the role of the [[Hero Secret Service|guardian angel]], the guy whose role is to shut down bad guys trying to ambush another hero.
* [[More Dakka|Machine Guns]]: Evil.
* [[More Dakka|Machine Guns]]: Evil.
** Exception made for soldiers in war movies who sometimes use them, although they are generally not the hero.
** Exception made for soldiers in war movies who sometimes use them, although they are generally not the hero.
*** And [[Commando (Film)|Arnold]].
*** And [[Commando (film)|Arnold]].
* [[Gatling Good|Gatling Guns]]: [[Badass]] (again, [[Terminator|Arnold]] [[Predator|or his friend]])
* [[Gatling Good|Gatling Guns]]: [[Badass]] (again, [[Terminator|Arnold]] [[Predator|or his friend]])
* Dagger: Sign of the thief or traitor; generally evil.
* Dagger: Sign of the thief or traitor; generally evil.
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*** Subverted in [[Dune]], in which body shields stop anything moving above a few cm per second and mutually detonate (with kiloton force) on contact by lasers; knife fighting is the dominant form of close combat.
*** Subverted in [[Dune]], in which body shields stop anything moving above a few cm per second and mutually detonate (with kiloton force) on contact by lasers; knife fighting is the dominant form of close combat.
* Any [[Poisoned Weapons]]: Always evil, save for some tranquilizer darts.
* Any [[Poisoned Weapons]]: Always evil, save for some tranquilizer darts.
** Early editions of ''[[Dungeons and Dragons]]'' made their use an evil act. While this was probably a game balance issue (since poison in 1st edition was [[One-Hit Kill|almost always fatal]]), it was strange that hacking or bashing an enemy to death over the course of several rounds of combat was considered less evil than a [[Broken Aesop|quick death]].
** Early editions of ''[[Dungeons & Dragons]]'' made their use an evil act. While this was probably a game balance issue (since poison in 1st edition was [[One-Hit Kill|almost always fatal]]), it was strange that hacking or bashing an enemy to death over the course of several rounds of combat was considered less evil than a [[Broken Aesop|quick death]].
* [[Chainsaw Good|Chainsaws]]: Almost always [[Ax Crazy|criminally insane]], except when fighting zombies or [[Evil Dead|Deadites]].
* [[Chainsaw Good|Chainsaws]]: Almost always [[Ax Crazy|criminally insane]], except when fighting zombies or [[Evil Dead|Deadites]].
** Goes either way if you are in the [[Warhammer 40000]] universe, though that's [[Black and Grey Morality|not saying much]].
** Goes either way if you are in the [[Warhammer 40,000]] universe, though that's [[Black and Grey Morality|not saying much]].
* If the weapons [[Power Glows|glow]] or are painted different colors, [[Color Coded for Your Convenience]] comes into play.
* If the weapons [[Power Glows|glow]] or are painted different colors, [[Color Coded for Your Convenience]] comes into play.
* Whip: Generally evil, [[Whip It Good|with rare exceptions]]. The exceptions tend to be [[Adventurer Archaeologist]] [[Indiana Jones|Archaeologists]], [[Zorro|masked swashbucklers]] or [[Castlevania|vampire hunters]]. In ''[[Forgotten Realms]]'' it's also the signature weapon of the (good) goddess of love and the Rashemi Hathran sect.
* Whip: Generally evil, [[Whip It Good|with rare exceptions]]. The exceptions tend to be [[Adventurer Archaeologist]] [[Indiana Jones|Archaeologists]], [[Zorro|masked swashbucklers]] or [[Castlevania|vampire hunters]]. In ''[[Forgotten Realms]]'' it's also the signature weapon of the (good) goddess of love and the Rashemi Hathran sect.
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** [[Automatic Crossbows|Crossbows]]: Either way. Generally evil is differentiated by poison here.
** [[Automatic Crossbows|Crossbows]]: Either way. Generally evil is differentiated by poison here.
** Longbows: Generally good and usually wielded by [[The Stoic]] but when evil in the hands of a [[Cold Sniper]]. Often seen in [[The Kingdom]]'s armies.
** Longbows: Generally good and usually wielded by [[The Stoic]] but when evil in the hands of a [[Cold Sniper]]. Often seen in [[The Kingdom]]'s armies.
* [[Simple Staff|Staves]]: Usually good, unless [[Evil Sorcerer|topped by a skull or jewel]] [[Boom Stick|from which magical/laser beams are shot]]. Unless [[Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha|Nanoha]].
* [[Simple Staff|Staves]]: Usually good, unless [[Evil Sorcerer|topped by a skull or jewel]] [[Boom Stick|from which magical/laser beams are shot]]. Unless [[Lyrical Nanoha|Nanoha]].
** Especially evil if topped by [[Reptiles Are Abhorrent|a snake]].
** Especially evil if topped by [[Reptiles Are Abhorrent|a snake]].
*** Conversely, if it has two snakes, usually good and used by the medic, despite the single-snake staff being associated with [[Classical Mythology|Asclepius, ancient Greek god of medicine and healing]], and the two-snakes caduceus being associated with [[Did Not Do the Research|Hermes]], messenger of the gods and [[Critical Research Failure|guide to the Underworld]].
*** Conversely, if it has two snakes, usually good and used by the medic, despite the single-snake staff being associated with [[Classical Mythology|Asclepius, ancient Greek god of medicine and healing]], and the two-snakes caduceus being associated with [[Did Not Do the Research|Hermes]], messenger of the gods and [[Critical Research Failure|guide to the Underworld]].
* Spears: Good if used by named characters, evil if used by mooks. Non-named non-evil characters with spears will usually be [[Red Shirts]].
* Spears: Good if used by named characters, evil if used by mooks. Non-named non-evil characters with spears will usually be [[Red Shirts]].
* [[Blade On a Stick|Polearms]]: You don't see many of these outside of mooks, though more sophisticated warriors such as the [[Lady of War]] might use them.
* [[Blade on a Stick|Polearms]]: You don't see many of these outside of mooks, though more sophisticated warriors such as the [[Lady of War]] might use them.
** Another exemption is any Chinese action film set in the Three Kingdoms period, as at least one of the main [[Authority Equals Asskicking|Generals]] favors a polearm.
** Another exemption is any Chinese action film set in the Three Kingdoms period, as at least one of the main [[Authority Equals Asskicking|Generals]] favors a polearm.
* [[Blade Below the Shoulder|Wrist blades]]/[[Wolverine Claws|claws]]: Definitely well into dark [[Badass]] or [[Nineties Anti-Hero|antihero]] territory, if not outright [[Ax Crazy]] evil.
* [[Blade Below the Shoulder|Wrist blades]]/[[Wolverine Claws|claws]]: Definitely well into dark [[Badass]] or [[Nineties Anti-Hero|antihero]] territory, if not outright [[Ax Crazy]] evil.
** If they resemble animal claws more than artificial weapons, you're probably dealing with some sort of shaman or druid.
** If they resemble animal claws more than artificial weapons, you're probably dealing with some sort of shaman or druid.
* [[Torches and Pitchforks|Torches]]: Mainly the preserve of antagonistic mobs, and villains. May also be used opportunistically by good guys in a pinch.
* [[Torches and Pitchforks|Torches]]: Mainly the preserve of antagonistic mobs, and villains. May also be used opportunistically by good guys in a pinch.
* [[Kill It With Fire|Flamethrowers]]: Usually in the hands of a villain who [[Pyromaniac|loves burning things a little too much]]. Again, more heroic if used against zombies. Or Nazis or Imperial Japanese in old war movies.
* [[Kill It with Fire|Flamethrowers]]: Usually in the hands of a villain who [[Pyromaniac|loves burning things a little too much]]. Again, more heroic if used against zombies. Or Nazis or Imperial Japanese in old war movies.
** And [[True Lies|Arnold]].
** And [[True Lies|Arnold]].
** And the [[Church Militant|Adeptas]] [[Warhammer 40000|Sororitas]].
** And the [[Church Militant|Adeptas]] [[Warhammer 40,000|Sororitas]].
** Acceptable in the case of a [[Bug War]], generally.
** Acceptable in the case of a [[Bug War]], generally.
* [[Sinister Scythe|Scythes]]: Either villains or an [[Anti-Hero]]. Depends on how intimidating the scythe looks. Always scary.
* [[Sinister Scythe|Scythes]]: Either villains or an [[Anti-Hero]]. Depends on how intimidating the scythe looks. Always scary.
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* [[Improbable Weapon User|Unlikely Weapons]]: Good, if [[Bunny Ears Lawyer|eccentric]].
* [[Improbable Weapon User|Unlikely Weapons]]: Good, if [[Bunny Ears Lawyer|eccentric]].


Compare [[Weapon of Choice]]. See [[Good Guns, Bad Guns]] [[Sub-Trope|for the more detailed gun version]].


Compare [[Weapon of Choice]]. See [[Good Guns, Bad Guns]] [[Sub-Trope|for the more detailed gun version]].
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== [[Anime]] and [[Manga]] ==
== [[Anime]] and [[Manga]] ==
* In ''[[Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni]]'', Rena has a [http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p141/Asa-senpai/Higurashi%20no%20Naku%20Koro%20ni/weapons/img0081468aq.jpg weapon] that has been described by fans intermittently as a billhook, a machete, a hatchet, a cleaver, or all of them ''at once''. That's pretty much unprecedentedly evil, but the non- edged part of the blade is straight, which is [[Foreshadowing|significant]].
* In ''[[Higurashi no Naku Koro ni]]'', Rena has a [http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p141/Asa-senpai/Higurashi%20no%20Naku%20Koro%20ni/weapons/img0081468aq.jpg weapon] that has been described by fans intermittently as a billhook, a machete, a hatchet, a cleaver, or all of them ''at once''. That's pretty much unprecedentedly evil, but the non- edged part of the blade is straight, which is [[Foreshadowing|significant]].
* With all the [[Heel Face Turn|Heel Face Turns]] in ''[[Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha]]'', the good guys end up not really following any rules on weapon alignment besides [[Rule of Cool|whatever looks cool]]. Undeniably evil characters like [[Big Bad|Precia and Jail]] however, stick with mainstay villain weapons like whips and claws.
* With all the [[Heel Face Turn]]s in ''[[Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha]]'', the good guys end up not really following any rules on weapon alignment besides [[Rule of Cool|whatever looks cool]]. Undeniably evil characters like [[Big Bad|Precia and Jail]] however, stick with mainstay villain weapons like whips and claws.
* ''[[Fate Stay Night]]'' has [[Badass]] and morally ambiguous Archer dual wielding, [[Worthy Opponent]] Assassin with a <s>[[Every Japanese Sword Is a Katana|katana]]</s> [[Averted Trope|nodachi]] which is close enough, heroic Saber with long swords, barbaric Berserker with an axe-sword-club (it's a giant piece of flint, basically), traitorous Caster using a special dagger and Lancer who is, at least, [[Friendly Enemy|good-natured even if he'll eventually have to stab you to death with his spear]].
* ''[[Fate/stay night]]'' has [[Badass]] and morally ambiguous Archer dual wielding, [[Worthy Opponent]] Assassin with a <s>[[Every Japanese Sword Is a Katana|katana]]</s> [[Averted Trope|nodachi]] which is close enough, heroic Saber with long swords, barbaric Berserker with an axe-sword-club (it's a giant piece of flint, basically), traitorous Caster using a special dagger and Lancer who is, at least, [[Friendly Enemy|good-natured even if he'll eventually have to stab you to death with his spear]].
* King Fahn and Lord Ashram of the first ''[[Record of Lodoss War]]'' anime wield swords of good and evil, respectively, that grow stronger the closer they are to each other.
* King Fahn and Lord Ashram of the first ''[[Record of Lodoss War]]'' anime wield swords of good and evil, respectively, that grow stronger the closer they are to each other.


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== [[Film]] ==
== [[Film]] ==
* The crazy Japanese girl Gogo Yubari wields a meteor hammer in ''[[Kill Bill]]''.
* The crazy Japanese girl Gogo Yubari wields a meteor hammer in ''[[Kill Bill]]''.
* In [[Lord of the Rings]] Elves use light curved blades and Alliance humans prefer medieval broadswords while Orcs sport crude, angular slabs and Easterlings are armed with polearms.
* In [[The Lord of the Rings]] Elves use light curved blades and Alliance humans prefer medieval broadswords while Orcs sport crude, angular slabs and Easterlings are armed with polearms.


== [[Literature]] ==
== [[Literature]] ==
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** Justified in that one of the two defining characteristics of the Nyissans is an extensive knowledge and ... ''creative'' ... use of pharmaceuticals. (The other one is a positively astounding ability at being devious and conniving.)
** Justified in that one of the two defining characteristics of the Nyissans is an extensive knowledge and ... ''creative'' ... use of pharmaceuticals. (The other one is a positively astounding ability at being devious and conniving.)
** And from the same series, there's the Ulgo knife, which is generally described as one of the most unpleasantly mutilat-y weapons in the world. The Ulgos are good guys.
** And from the same series, there's the Ulgo knife, which is generally described as one of the most unpleasantly mutilat-y weapons in the world. The Ulgos are good guys.
* A partial exception to [[Poisoned Weapons]] is ''[[The Demon Princes (Literature)|The Demon Princes]]'': the hero uses them and is better than most of the villains.
* A partial exception to [[Poisoned Weapons]] is ''[[The Demon Princes]]'': the hero uses them and is better than most of the villains.
* In ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' Sauron is depicted using a mace, and his lieutenant, the Witch-king, swings an [[Epic Flail]]. His ancient teacher, Morgoth, fought with a warhammer.
* In ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' Sauron is depicted using a mace, and his lieutenant, the Witch-king, swings an [[Epic Flail]]. His ancient teacher, Morgoth, fought with a warhammer.


== Tabletop Games ==
== Tabletop Games ==
* [[Warhammer 40000|Chaos Space Marines]] typically wield weapons that look similar to their Loyalist counterparts with the addition of lots of spikes and studs and skulls. Their Terminators also use maces and axes in addition to the standard [[Power Fist]] (which they add spikes to anyway), and they have an entire unit type which uses chainsaw axes.
* [[Warhammer 40,000|Chaos Space Marines]] typically wield weapons that look similar to their Loyalist counterparts with the addition of lots of spikes and studs and skulls. Their Terminators also use maces and axes in addition to the standard [[Power Fist]] (which they add spikes to anyway), and they have an entire unit type which uses chainsaw axes.
* In ''[[Dungeons and Dragons]]'', Good-aligned Clerics traditionally wield maces or other blunt weapons. Evil clerics and fighters often carry flails or other spiky things. The game claimed this dated back to the Middle Ages where the Clergy were allowed to join in battle, but because they were forbidden to "spill blood" they were restricted to using blunt weapons. Because you can totally bash somebody's head in with a mace and not get blood everywhere. Though the idea that warrior priests used maces to not shed blood may have been a misunderstanding of the actual events, and were more likely symbols of authority.
* In ''[[Dungeons & Dragons]]'', Good-aligned Clerics traditionally wield maces or other blunt weapons. Evil clerics and fighters often carry flails or other spiky things. The game claimed this dated back to the Middle Ages where the Clergy were allowed to join in battle, but because they were forbidden to "spill blood" they were restricted to using blunt weapons. Because you can totally bash somebody's head in with a mace and not get blood everywhere. Though the idea that warrior priests used maces to not shed blood may have been a misunderstanding of the actual events, and were more likely symbols of authority.
** This trope most likely came from Bishop Odo of Bayeux, a kinsman of William the Conqurer, who was trying the game the system (at that time, clergy was not allowed to participate in combat -- to this day, for obvious reasons, the Catholic Church frowns VERY HEAVILY on it, and "warrior monk" orders like the Templars, Hospitallers and Teutonic Knights no longer function as military religious orders)by wading into combat during the Battle of Hastings in 1066 with a weapon that was less likely to shed blood on the rationalization that that made it OK.
** This trope most likely came from Bishop Odo of Bayeux, a kinsman of William the Conqurer, who was trying the game the system (at that time, clergy was not allowed to participate in combat—to this day, for obvious reasons, the Catholic Church frowns VERY HEAVILY on it, and "warrior monk" orders like the Templars, Hospitallers and Teutonic Knights no longer function as military religious orders)by wading into combat during the Battle of Hastings in 1066 with a weapon that was less likely to shed blood on the rationalization that that made it OK.
* In [[Warhammer]], Priests of Sigmar tend to fight with two-handed battle hammers, and lead armies from the front. Since Sigmar is a god of war and his symbol is a hammer, this is all justified. Priests of Sigmar tend to be a bit overbearing and have [[Knight Templar]] tendencies, but are generally good guys.
* In [[Warhammer Fantasy Battle]], Priests of Sigmar tend to fight with two-handed battle hammers, and lead armies from the front. Since Sigmar is a god of war and his symbol is a hammer, this is all justified. Priests of Sigmar tend to be a bit overbearing and have [[Knight Templar]] tendencies, but are generally good guys.


== [[Theatre]] ==
== [[Theatre]] ==
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* ''[[Soul Series|Soulcalibur]]'': Ivy wields a sword that separates into multiple parts: good. It does turn into a whip, but that helps it with the [[Bifurcated Weapon]] bit. Astaroth wields axes: evil.
* ''[[Soul Series|Soulcalibur]]'': Ivy wields a sword that separates into multiple parts: good. It does turn into a whip, but that helps it with the [[Bifurcated Weapon]] bit. Astaroth wields axes: evil.
** Pictured above are the two swords that the ''Soul'' series revolves around: Soul Calibur (right) and Soul Edge (left). Soul Edge, once an ordinary sword, [[Evil Weapon|gained a malicious will of its own]] (which manifests as the firespawn Inferno, a [[Final Boss]] in some of the titles) due to tasting an ''immense'' amount of blood on the battlefield and soon evolved into a [[The Corruption|corruption-spreading]] [[Artifact of Doom]]. Soul Calibur was created by the Hero King Algol from a purified shard of Soul Edge. They are currently wielded by [[The Hero]] [[The Atoner|Siegfried]] and the [[Big Bad]] [[Made of Evil|Nightmare]] (himself an incarnation of Inferno) who, [[Brainwashed and Crazy|at one point]], [[Enemy Without|used to be the same person]]. ''Soulcalibur IV'' does subvert this, however, as Soul Calibur is heavily implied to be a [[Knight Templar]] in regards to Soul Edge.
** Pictured above are the two swords that the ''Soul'' series revolves around: Soul Calibur (right) and Soul Edge (left). Soul Edge, once an ordinary sword, [[Evil Weapon|gained a malicious will of its own]] (which manifests as the firespawn Inferno, a [[Final Boss]] in some of the titles) due to tasting an ''immense'' amount of blood on the battlefield and soon evolved into a [[The Corruption|corruption-spreading]] [[Artifact of Doom]]. Soul Calibur was created by the Hero King Algol from a purified shard of Soul Edge. They are currently wielded by [[The Hero]] [[The Atoner|Siegfried]] and the [[Big Bad]] [[Made of Evil|Nightmare]] (himself an incarnation of Inferno) who, [[Brainwashed and Crazy|at one point]], [[Enemy Without|used to be the same person]]. ''Soulcalibur IV'' does subvert this, however, as Soul Calibur is heavily implied to be a [[Knight Templar]] in regards to Soul Edge.
* Half subverted, half played straight in ''[[Resident Evil]] 4''. Krauser uses a knife as his [[Weapon of Choice]], is a mercenary working for the [[Big Bad]], kidnapped the [[Distressed Damsel|President's Daughter]], and if he isn't outright evil, is at least very, very amoral. But [[The Hero|Leon Kennedy]] ''also'' is a bit of a [[Knife Nut]]. Somewhat [[Justified Trope|justified]] in that it's stated they worked together in the same military group before the events of the game.
* Half subverted, half played straight in ''[[Resident Evil]] 4''. Krauser uses a knife as his [[Weapon of Choice]], is a mercenary working for the [[Big Bad]], kidnapped the [[Damsel in Distress|President's Daughter]], and if he isn't outright evil, is at least very, very amoral. But [[The Hero|Leon Kennedy]] ''also'' is a bit of a [[Knife Nut]]. Somewhat [[Justified Trope|justified]] in that it's stated they worked together in the same military group before the events of the game.
* ''[[Ace Combat]]'' has a variant; It has been noted that in almost every game, the protagonist squadron and sometimes his allies usually fly Western Fighter Aircraft (usually American) while the antagonist ace squadron(s) usually use either high-tier Russian fighters (usually a variant of the [[Cool Plane|Su-27 Flanker]] ). This is however subverted multiple times.
* ''[[Ace Combat]]'' has a variant; It has been noted that in almost every game, the protagonist squadron and sometimes his allies usually fly Western Fighter Aircraft (usually American) while the antagonist ace squadron(s) usually use either high-tier Russian fighters (usually a variant of the [[Cool Plane|Su-27 Flanker]] ). This is however subverted multiple times.
** In ''[[Ace Combat 2]]'' the protagonist squadron (presumably, given the cover art) flies the Su-35 Super Flanker, while four of the ZOE aces use IRL-American jets.
** In ''[[Ace Combat 2]]'' the protagonist squadron (presumably, given the cover art) flies the Su-35 Super Flanker, while four of the ZOE aces use IRL-American jets.
** In the uncut ''[[Ace Combat 3]]'', the only faction that flies Russian planes (a futuristic MiG and two upgraded Sukhois) is UPEO, which is the starting faction (you can later defect) and is [[Grey and Gray Morality|as close as it comes to the Good Guys in this game]].
** In the uncut ''[[Ace Combat 3: Electrosphere]]'', the only faction that flies Russian planes (a futuristic MiG and two upgraded Sukhois) is UPEO, which is the starting faction (you can later defect) and is [[Grey and Gray Morality|as close as it comes to the Good Guys in this game]].
** In ''[[Ace Combat 5]]'' one of the enemy ace squadrons you fight flies the [[Rare Vehicles|F-15S/MTD]].
** In ''[[Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War]]'' one of the enemy ace squadrons you fight flies the [[Rare Vehicles|F-15S/MTD]].
** In ''[[Ace Combat Zero]]'', out of the 12 major ace squads you face in the game, only three (Gelb, Gault and Schwarze) play this trope straight.
** In ''[[Ace Combat Zero]]'', out of the 12 major ace squads you face in the game, only three (Gelb, Gault and Schwarze) play this trope straight.
** In ''[[Ace Combat X]]'', some of the ally Redshirts use the Flanker.
** In ''[[Ace Combat X: Skies of Deception]]'', some of the ally Redshirts use the Flanker.
** In ''[[Ace Combat Joint Assault]]'' Varcolac uses both Russian and Western planes.
** In ''[[Ace Combat Joint Assault]]'' Varcolac uses both Russian and Western planes.
* In ''[[Halo]]'', this shows up in the two warrior races of the [[Scary Dogmatic Aliens|Covenant]]: The characteristic weapon of the ([[Heel Face Turn|ultimately]]) good Elites is the [[Laser Blade|Energy Sword]]. The signature weapon of the Brutes is a big, well, [[Exactly What It Says On the Tin|brutish]] Gravity Hammer.
* In ''[[Halo]]'', this shows up in the two warrior races of the [[Scary Dogmatic Aliens|Covenant]]: The characteristic weapon of the ([[Heel Face Turn|ultimately]]) good Elites is the [[Laser Blade|Energy Sword]]. The signature weapon of the Brutes is a big, well, [[Exactly What It Says on the Tin|brutish]] Gravity Hammer.
* In ''[[The Legend of Zelda Skyward Sword]]'', {{spoiler|the Master Sword is shown at the very end of the game to have an [[Evil Counterpart]] wielded by the [[God of Evil|Demon King]] [[Bigger Bad|Demise]], whose spirit and humanoid form is named [[Big Bad|Ghirahim]].}}
* In ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword]]'', {{spoiler|the Master Sword is shown at the very end of the game to have an [[Evil Counterpart]] wielded by the [[God of Evil|Demon King]] [[Bigger Bad|Demise]], whose spirit and humanoid form is named [[Big Bad|Ghirahim]].}}
* Averted in the ''[[Mass Effect]]'' series, where alignment is independent of weapon choice. Machine pistols are very common on both sides in the [[Mass Effect 2|second game]], Shepard can get [[AI Is a Crapshoot|Geth]] guns in all three games and [[Bug War|Collector]] guns in the second, and gets access to [[Hand Cannon|large pistols]], [[More Dakka|assault rifles]], and [[Blade Below the Shoulder|wrist-mounted omni-blades]] regardless of [[The Paragon|Paragon]]/[[Anti-Hero|Renegade]] alignment.
* Averted in the ''[[Mass Effect]]'' series, where alignment is independent of weapon choice. Machine pistols are very common on both sides in the [[Mass Effect 2|second game]], Shepard can get [[A.I. Is a Crapshoot|Geth]] guns in all three games and [[Bug War|Collector]] guns in the second, and gets access to [[Hand Cannon|large pistols]], [[More Dakka|assault rifles]], and [[Blade Below the Shoulder|wrist-mounted omni-blades]] regardless of [[The Paragon|Paragon]]/[[Anti-Hero|Renegade]] alignment.
* In [[Knights of the Old Republic]] there are sometimes weapons or objects (lightsaber crystals for example) that can only be used if one has the proper alignment.
* In [[Knights of the Old Republic]] there are sometimes weapons or objects (lightsaber crystals for example) that can only be used if one has the proper alignment.


== [[Web Comics]] ==
== [[Web Comics]] ==
* In ''[[Homestuck]]'', [[The Hero]] picked up a hammer for [[Mundane Utility]] and [[Took a Level In Badass|leveled up with it]]. The only unambiguous evil is also the only one who wields a full sword (though another hero uses swords, what he actually ''wields'' are swords broken in half.)
* In ''[[Homestuck]]'', [[The Hero]] picked up a hammer for [[Mundane Utility]] and [[Took a Level in Badass|leveled up with it]]. The only unambiguous evil is also the only one who wields a full sword (though another hero uses swords, what he actually ''wields'' are swords broken in half.)


== [[Western Animation]] ==
== [[Western Animation]] ==

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In certain stories, especially epic fantasy, there is a correlation between the weapon style characters or groups use, and how they are portrayed in the film.

Heroes' weapons generally have clean lines, such as longbows, broadswords, katana, a musket, Colt revolver, Winchester, etc. Unarmed combat is also a heroic trait. Although the rules change when zombies are involved. (don't ask why)

Villain armies typically have more oddly-shaped weapons, weapons with spikes, etc. While not a hard-and-fast rule (see the exception for hammers, below) blunt weapons, especially ridged maces, tend to be evil, possibly due to their lethal practicality, as a crushed shoulder, knee, or skull tends to be more complicated to heal than a clean cut.

An easy way to tell which Mook is just a Mook, is to look at their weapons: light blaster rifle, polearm? Standard Mook. Massive sword or really scary-looking gun? This is at least an Elite Mook, if not a member of the Quirky Miniboss Squad. Weapon that looks suspiciously like the hero's? Uh, oh...

Truth in Television to some extent: The Geneva Convention frowns on the use of certain weapons and certain kinds of melee weapons (such as knives with odd-shaped blades) that do not leave clean wounds.

Other stereotypes:

  • Multiple Swords: Badass but generally evil or Anti-Hero.
    • Hookswords: Run away. Now. Do not, under any circumstances, trust.
      • However, a dual-hooksword-wielding Michelle Yeoh happens to be doubly trustworthy.
    • Flame Patterned Sword (flamberge): Unless sufficiently elegant, run. These were intended to produce nasty wounds upon the victim ( though in reality they don't, ) so this is somewhat reasonable.
      • The flame pattern is actually a defensive measure: it was meant so that when the person with the flamberge parried with it, the attacker would receive a shock as his own weapon slid down the flame pattern and vibrated rapidly, numbing the attacker's arm. But since the goal of the design is to temporarily paralyze a limb, it still stands somewhat justified.
        • Only applicable on rapiers and similar swords designed for fencing / cut-and-thrust. Flamberge-style zweihänders were designed to break polearm formations by knocking the enemy weapons away and then snapping the shafts. More than anything, the flamberge simply looks meaner.
      • Similarly, stay the hell away from anyone wielding a serrated blade.
    • Single Weapon That Splits Into Multiple: Good. Although that is changing as recent works have seen more badguys using this tactic in their weapons.
  • Katana and Rapiers: Either way, but a favorite weapon of the Wicked Cultured, the Rival, or the Sixth Ranger. They're too cool for Mooks in any case.
    • Except the Cardinal's men in any Three Musketeer movie. And the other musketeers who sometimes side against the heroic trio because the king declares them traitors depending on the story.
      • As the rapier and smallsword were the common weapon of the time, both the bad guys and the good guys would have one.
  • Shamshir, Tulwar, Scimitar: Can go either way, If there's a single scimitar-wielder, he's probably a good guy. An entire society that favors scimitars is usually evil. Staple weapon of palace guards in Qurac and Sim Sim Salabim.
  • Dirk, Longsword, Etc: Sign of a Knight in Shining Armor. Heroic. If used by a villain, it will generally be a BFS.
  • Axes: Evil, unless used by dwarves or heroic barbarians.
  • Hammers: More likely to be good than axes due to not overtly spilling blood, and normally used by The Big Guy. Sometimes shows up in the hands of brutish bad guys, though.
  • Club: Either way; bad guys like to add spikes. Generally a sign of brutish, unintelligent characters.
  • Blunt, club-like found objects: Rarely used by good guys, except in a non-lethal manner. Totally reversed if zombies are in play.
  • Mace (metal club, often with ridges): Evil. Typically used by the Big Bad or The Dragon as maces were traditionally symbols of power and authority, only to be used by royalty or those in command. However, if the wielder is a priest, it has a much higher chance of being good (but can still be evil).
  • Flail: Evil. Always. Nunchaku can go either way.
  • Handguns: If guns are a mainstay, good. If not, dishonorable and evil.
  • Assault Rifles: Evil if it's a Communist AK-47, good if it's an American M16. Either way, usually not a main character.
  • Hand Cannons: Anti-Hero. Common in Film Noir, detective stories and cyberpunk.
  • Submachine Guns: Mainly used by mooks, antiheroes or villains.
  • Sawed Off Shotguns: Evil, or at least Anti Heroic, except when facing zombies.
  • Sniper Rifles: Sign of a villainous assassin, Villain Protagonist, or Psycho for Hire. Hero characters using one of these are usually in the role of the guardian angel, the guy whose role is to shut down bad guys trying to ambush another hero.
  • Machine Guns: Evil.
    • Exception made for soldiers in war movies who sometimes use them, although they are generally not the hero.
  • Gatling Guns: Badass (again, Arnold or his friend)
  • Dagger: Sign of the thief or traitor; generally evil.
    • Hooked/Curved Dagger: Usually the above, but sometimes treated the same as the scimitar.
    • Knife: Unless the hero is trying a last ditch effort to fight off a villain, wielding a knife is very, very evil.
      • Subverted in Dune, in which body shields stop anything moving above a few cm per second and mutually detonate (with kiloton force) on contact by lasers; knife fighting is the dominant form of close combat.
  • Any Poisoned Weapons: Always evil, save for some tranquilizer darts.
    • Early editions of Dungeons & Dragons made their use an evil act. While this was probably a game balance issue (since poison in 1st edition was almost always fatal), it was strange that hacking or bashing an enemy to death over the course of several rounds of combat was considered less evil than a quick death.
  • Chainsaws: Almost always criminally insane, except when fighting zombies or Deadites.
  • If the weapons glow or are painted different colors, Color Coded for Your Convenience comes into play.
  • Whip: Generally evil, with rare exceptions. The exceptions tend to be Adventurer Archaeologist Archaeologists, masked swashbucklers or vampire hunters. In Forgotten Realms it's also the signature weapon of the (good) goddess of love and the Rashemi Hathran sect.
  • Bows: Good for main characters, evil for Mooks.
    • Crossbows: Either way. Generally evil is differentiated by poison here.
    • Longbows: Generally good and usually wielded by The Stoic but when evil in the hands of a Cold Sniper. Often seen in The Kingdom's armies.
  • Staves: Usually good, unless topped by a skull or jewel from which magical/laser beams are shot. Unless Nanoha.
  • Spears: Good if used by named characters, evil if used by mooks. Non-named non-evil characters with spears will usually be Red Shirts.
  • Polearms: You don't see many of these outside of mooks, though more sophisticated warriors such as the Lady of War might use them.
    • Another exemption is any Chinese action film set in the Three Kingdoms period, as at least one of the main Generals favors a polearm.
  • Wrist blades/claws: Definitely well into dark Badass or antihero territory, if not outright Ax Crazy evil.
    • If they resemble animal claws more than artificial weapons, you're probably dealing with some sort of shaman or druid.
  • Torches: Mainly the preserve of antagonistic mobs, and villains. May also be used opportunistically by good guys in a pinch.
  • Flamethrowers: Usually in the hands of a villain who loves burning things a little too much. Again, more heroic if used against zombies. Or Nazis or Imperial Japanese in old war movies.
  • Scythes: Either villains or an Anti-Hero. Depends on how intimidating the scythe looks. Always scary.
  • Shields: Either supporting characters or Mooks, either way they're usually useless.
  • Laser Blade: Always Badass, specific alignment usually determined by blade color.
    • Attack of the Clones subverts this, as there are enough Jedi in the field at once for the lesser among them to count as Redshirts.
  • Martial Arts: Flowing styles and high acrobatics tend to be the domain of good guys and monks; Pressure point poking, open-palmed jabbing, and other "quick and to the point" styles are used by the Arrogant Kung Fu Guy or Evil Overlord. Good Old Fisticuffs are either way, unless the bad guy knows a style of any type, then it becomes the domain of the "everyman" good guy. She Fu is neutral, as it lends to catfighting between two parties.
  • Katars: Almost always Anti-Hero at best, usually the province of assassin or rogue characters, unless the assassin or rogue is Chaotic Good. Almost always subject to Dual-Wielding, at least for rogues in World of Warcraft and Assassins and Assassin Crosses in Ragnarok Online.
  • Unlikely Weapons: Good, if eccentric.

Compare Weapon of Choice. See Good Guns, Bad Guns for the more detailed gun version.

Examples of Good Weapon, Evil Weapon include:

Anime and Manga

Comic Books

  • X-Men: Gambit with a Staff? Good. Gambit with a knife? Bad. Warpath, Multiple Knives. Good. Spiral, Multiple Swords? Bad. Katana? Evil Samurai. Dual Wielded Katana? Deadpool.

Film

  • The crazy Japanese girl Gogo Yubari wields a meteor hammer in Kill Bill.
  • In The Lord of the Rings Elves use light curved blades and Alliance humans prefer medieval broadswords while Orcs sport crude, angular slabs and Easterlings are armed with polearms.

Literature

  • A rare exception to "Only villains poison weapons": Sadi, a eunuch on the side of the heroes in the Mallorean, uses a poisoned dagger as his primary weapon.
    • Justified in that one of the two defining characteristics of the Nyissans is an extensive knowledge and ... creative ... use of pharmaceuticals. (The other one is a positively astounding ability at being devious and conniving.)
    • And from the same series, there's the Ulgo knife, which is generally described as one of the most unpleasantly mutilat-y weapons in the world. The Ulgos are good guys.
  • A partial exception to Poisoned Weapons is The Demon Princes: the hero uses them and is better than most of the villains.
  • In The Lord of the Rings Sauron is depicted using a mace, and his lieutenant, the Witch-king, swings an Epic Flail. His ancient teacher, Morgoth, fought with a warhammer.

Tabletop Games

  • Chaos Space Marines typically wield weapons that look similar to their Loyalist counterparts with the addition of lots of spikes and studs and skulls. Their Terminators also use maces and axes in addition to the standard Power Fist (which they add spikes to anyway), and they have an entire unit type which uses chainsaw axes.
  • In Dungeons & Dragons, Good-aligned Clerics traditionally wield maces or other blunt weapons. Evil clerics and fighters often carry flails or other spiky things. The game claimed this dated back to the Middle Ages where the Clergy were allowed to join in battle, but because they were forbidden to "spill blood" they were restricted to using blunt weapons. Because you can totally bash somebody's head in with a mace and not get blood everywhere. Though the idea that warrior priests used maces to not shed blood may have been a misunderstanding of the actual events, and were more likely symbols of authority.
    • This trope most likely came from Bishop Odo of Bayeux, a kinsman of William the Conqurer, who was trying the game the system (at that time, clergy was not allowed to participate in combat—to this day, for obvious reasons, the Catholic Church frowns VERY HEAVILY on it, and "warrior monk" orders like the Templars, Hospitallers and Teutonic Knights no longer function as military religious orders)by wading into combat during the Battle of Hastings in 1066 with a weapon that was less likely to shed blood on the rationalization that that made it OK.
  • In Warhammer Fantasy Battle, Priests of Sigmar tend to fight with two-handed battle hammers, and lead armies from the front. Since Sigmar is a god of war and his symbol is a hammer, this is all justified. Priests of Sigmar tend to be a bit overbearing and have Knight Templar tendencies, but are generally good guys.

Theatre

  • In Shakespeare's Othello, heroic Claudius uses a sword. Its implied that his attempted assassination may have been done with a knife.

Video Games

Web Comics

Western Animation