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{{examples|Examples from Batman in Comics}}
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* [[The Dark Knight Returns (Comic Book)/YMMV|The Dark Knight Returns]]
* [[The Dark Knight Returns/YMMV|The Dark Knight Returns]]
* [[Batman: Year One/YMMV|Batman Year One]]
* [[Batman: Year One/YMMV|Batman Year One]]
* [[The Batman Adventures/YMMV|The Batman Adventures]]
* [[The Batman Adventures/YMMV|The Batman Adventures]]
* [[The Dark Knight Strikes Again/YMMV|The Dark Knight Strikes Again]]
* [[The Dark Knight Strikes Again/YMMV|The Dark Knight Strikes Again]]
* [[All-Star Batman and Robin The Boy Wonder/YMMV|All Star Batman and Robin The Boy Wonder]]
* [[All-Star Batman and Robin The Boy Wonder/YMMV|All Star Batman and Robin The Boy Wonder]]
* [[Grant Morrison's Batman (Comic Book)/YMMV|Grant Morrisons Batman]]
* [[Grant Morrison's Batman/YMMV|Grant Morrisons Batman]]
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* [[Alternate Character Interpretation]]: To date, Batman is one of the few comic book characters to have run all nine [[Character Alignment|alignments]]. [[Word of God|Denny O'Neil]] once stated one of the great things about the character is that he can be portrayed in several different ways and all ring true.
* [[Alternate Character Interpretation]]: To date, Batman is one of the few comic book characters to have run all nine [[Character Alignment|alignments]]. [[Word of God|Denny O'Neil]] once stated one of the great things about the character is that he can be portrayed in several different ways and all ring true.
** Does the Ventriloquist suffer a split personality, a dissociative disorder, or is he right in his belief that Scarface is possessed by the ghost of every murderer hung on the gallows he was carved from? There's evidence to support all these theories, and even the one that Wesker knows exactly what he's doing and Scarface is just a gimmick.
** Does the Ventriloquist suffer a split personality, a dissociative disorder, or is he right in his belief that Scarface is possessed by the ghost of every murderer hung on the gallows he was carved from? There's evidence to support all these theories, and even the one that Wesker knows exactly what he's doing and Scarface is just a gimmick.
* [[Angst? What Angst?]]: Stephanie Brown as Batgirl. Not that we're complaining...
* [[Angst? What Angst?]]: Stephanie Brown as Batgirl. Not that we're complaining...
** Dick too. Sometimes he's written as grimply as Bruce, but mostly he's generally happy and friendly. Essentially, he was the [[Fun Personified]] character before Steph took that role.
** Dick too. Sometimes he's written as grimply as Bruce, but mostly he's generally happy and friendly. Essentially, he was the [[Fun Personified]] character before Steph took that role.
* [[Author's Saving Throw]]: As it eventually turned out, Deathstroke was feeding Cassandra [[Brainwashed and Crazy|mind-control drugs]].
* [[Author's Saving Throw]]: As it eventually turned out, Deathstroke was feeding Cassandra [[Brainwashed and Crazy|mind-control drugs]].
* [[Base Breaker]]: Jason Todd was initially so controversial that DC allowed for a fan vote to determine whether he lived or died. Ironically there were just ''barely'' more votes for him to die. And years later, the editor would admit hundreds of votes in the "Jason Dies" line came from a single person, adding a large degree of uncertainty to the honesty of results regarding a poll designed to determine the character's popularity. And surely he's got plenty of fans after [[Awesome Moment|killing a rapist]].
* [[Base Breaker]]: Jason Todd was initially so controversial that DC allowed for a fan vote to determine whether he lived or died. Ironically there were just ''barely'' more votes for him to die. And years later, the editor would admit (or rather, claim) hundreds of votes in the "Jason Dies" line came from a single person, (theoretically, if you believe it) adding a large degree of uncertainty to the honesty of results regarding a poll designed to determine the character's popularity. And surely he's got plenty of fans after [[Awesome Moment|killing a rapist]].
** He actually is still a [[Base Breaker]]; fans either love him or wish there was a second phone-in vote to kill him off again.
** He actually is still a [[Base Breaker]]; fans either love him or wish there was a second phone-in vote to kill him off again.
** Bat-Mite. To some, he exemplifies everything wrong with the [[Silver Age]]. To others, he exemplifies everything right.
** Bat-Mite. To some, he exemplifies everything wrong with the [[Silver Age]]. To others, he exemplifies everything right.
** The Robins in general. Either they're audience surrogates who provide an interesting insight to what it would be like to have Batman as a father, or they're useless and dated who only surve as to hold Batman back. Dick has, fourtunately, managed to shake that off by becoming Nightwing, a much more well liked hero.
** The Robins in general. Either they're audience surrogates who provide an interesting insight to what it would be like to have Batman as a father, or they're useless and dated who only surve as to hold Batman back. Dick has, fourtunately, managed to shake that off by becoming Nightwing, a much more well liked hero.
** Stephanie Brown/Spoiler/RobinIIII/BatgirlIII, unfourtunately, gets quite a lot of hate, despite having a large fanbase and, generally, being well liked by the fandom, but there's just enough people who hate her for her to qualify for this. [[Replacement Scrappy]] status asside, people either love her for being hope-filled, angstless, idealistic and generally happy, while others hate her for all these things since they don't feel it 'fits' with the rest of Gotham's protectors. Apparently, some people only like angsty and brooding heroes.
** Stephanie Brown/Spoiler/RobinIIII/BatgirlIII, unfourtunately, gets quite a lot of hate, despite having a large fanbase and, generally, being well liked by the fandom, but there's just enough people who hate her for her to qualify for this. [[Replacement Scrappy]] status asside, people either love her for being hope-filled, angstless, idealistic and generally happy, while others hate her for all these things since they don't feel it 'fits' with the rest of Gotham's protectors. Apparently, some people only like angsty and brooding heroes.
*** Or, you know, they dislike her because she was used for a very badly-handled Very Special Issue story early in her run, some of the writing decisions involving her have been dubious at best (Batman just deciding to reveal both his and Robin's secret identities to her because... he thought Robin needed relationship help or something), and let's not forget that some of her fans can make rabid [[Harry Potter|Harmonians]] look like [[Star Trek|Vulcans]].
* [[Complete Monster]]: [[The Joker]], Black Mask, and Mr. Zsasz are the most noteworthy examples.
* [[Complete Monster]]: [[The Joker]], Black Mask, Mr. Zsasz, and Deacon Blackfire are the most noteworthy examples.
** James Gordon, Jr. is this as well, having tortured and murdered many people in the past for no reason beyond the power it gives him. He even reveals that he thinks of empathy as a weakness, and {{spoiler|tortures his sister Barbara by driving a pair of knives into her paralyzed legs.}}
** James Gordon, Jr. is this as well, having tortured and murdered many people in the past for no reason beyond the power it gives him. He even reveals that he thinks of empathy as a weakness, and {{spoiler|tortures his sister Barbara by driving a pair of knives into her paralyzed legs.}}
** Despite being more of a minor villain than the others above, Professor Pyg is no less disgusting and heinous than the other Monsters listed.
* [[Copy Cat Sue]]/[[Overused Copycat Character]]: Hush is debatably this, given that it can be argued that ''nothing'' about his character is particularly original within the context of the Batman mythos. Batman already had plenty of [[Shadow Archetype]] enemies, while the Wrath and Prometheus, and more subtly Black Mask, all whom came along before Hush had backstories made to explicitly mirror Bruce Wayne's. Was even subject to some (possibly unintentional) [[Lampshade Hanging]] by Batman, who drew parallels to his other villains when trying to deduce Hush's identity (associating him using [[Guns Akimbo]] to Deadshot and quoting Aristotle to Maxie Zeus). On a somewhat related note, Hush also dresses up exactly like ''[[Darkman]].''
* [[Copy Cat Sue]]/[[Overused Copycat Character]]: Hush is debatably this, given that it can be argued that ''nothing'' about his character is particularly original within the context of the Batman mythos. Batman already had plenty of [[Shadow Archetype]] enemies, while the Wrath and Prometheus, and more subtly Black Mask, all whom came along before Hush had backstories made to explicitly mirror Bruce Wayne's. Was even subject to some (possibly unintentional) [[Lampshade Hanging]] by Batman, who drew parallels to his other villains when trying to deduce Hush's identity (associating him using [[Guns Akimbo]] to Deadshot and quoting Aristotle to Maxie Zeus). On a somewhat related note, Hush also dresses up exactly like ''[[Darkman]].''
* [[Creator's Pet]]: For much of Damian's existence, he's been a [[McGuffin]] and has barely had any character development. As a result, he tends to be widely disliked amongst fans. Being made into Robin has only increased the backlash against the character.
* [[Creator's Pet]]: For much of Damian's existence, he's been a [[McGuffin]] and has barely had any character development. As a result, he tends to be widely disliked amongst fans. Being made into Robin has only increased the backlash against the character.
** And yet, because of his age, the fact that he comprises half of one of the more entertaining Batman-and-Robin duos in a long while, and the considerable amount of [[Character Development]] he's received, he's actually started to win over a fair amount of fans, even some of his most vocal haters.
** And yet, because of his age, the fact that he comprises half of one of the more entertaining Batman-and-Robin duos in a long while, and the considerable amount of [[Character Development]] he's received, he's actually started to win over a fair amount of fans, even some of his most vocal haters.
*** Of course, DC being how they are, once they learned the fans were actually starting to like the character, they killed him off.
** Hush. However, after the "Heart of Hush" storyline, reactions have been turning to more positive.
** Hush. However, after the "Heart of Hush" storyline, reactions have been turning to more positive.
** Batman himself may easy turn into one when [[Running the Asylum|he is written by his fans]] - most jarring examples include some comics written by [[Frank Miller]], that are determined to show how much better than everybody else Batman is and ''JLA: Act of God'', where he receives giant amount of [[Character Shilling]].
** Batman himself may easy turn into one when [[Running the Asylum|he is written by his fans]] - most jarring examples include some comics written by [[Frank Miller]], that are determined to show how much better than everybody else Batman is and ''JLA: Act of God'', where he receives giant amount of [[Character Shilling]].
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*** The "new direction" of the 1960s, with the blue cowl and wacky [[Silver Age]] sci-fi hijinx.
*** The "new direction" of the 1960s, with the blue cowl and wacky [[Silver Age]] sci-fi hijinx.
** For Dick Grayson:
** For Dick Grayson:
*** Devin Grayson's "Born Again" arc. Not only was it flawed from supposition one (Nightwing, one of the most well connected superheroes being alienated in an attempt to "rebuild him"), time constraints from the then-upcoming ''Infinite Crisis'' only made it worse. It's pretty much [[Canon Dis Continuity]] now, thankfully.
*** Devin Grayson's "Born Again" arc. Not only was it flawed from supposition one (Nightwing, one of the most well connected superheroes being alienated in an attempt to "rebuild him"), time constraints from the then-upcoming ''Infinite Crisis'' only made it worse. It's pretty much [[Canon Discontinuity]] now, thankfully.
*** Not to mention that there was almost certainly people who hoped that Robin would be a Dork Age for Batman when he first showed up (hint: it was actually [[Character Development|the exact opposite]]), even with what little continuity there was back then.
*** Not to mention that there was almost certainly people who hoped that Robin would be a Dork Age for Batman when he first showed up (hint: it was actually [[Character Development|the exact opposite]]), even with what little continuity there was back then.
*** And Bruce Jones' "Nightwing: One Year Later" storyline. With its tentacle monsters and [[Secret Identity|Dick]] ''modelling Nightwing suits''. Yeah, there are reasons people [[Fanon Discontinuity|don't like to talk about "Nightwing: One Year Later"]].
*** And Bruce Jones' "Nightwing: One Year Later" storyline. With its tentacle monsters and [[Secret Identity|Dick]] ''modelling Nightwing suits''. Yeah, there are reasons people [[Fanon Discontinuity|don't like to talk about "Nightwing: One Year Later"]].
*** Nightwing as Renegade AKA Deathstroke's apprentice. [[Sarcasm Mode|Thanks again for this, Ms. Grayson!]]
*** Nightwing as Renegade AKA Deathstroke's apprentice. [[Sarcasm Mode|Thanks again for this, Ms. Grayson!]]
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* [[Jerkass Stu]]: Damian, though it's ''very'' arguable. It is hard to tell if it's being played straight or not.
* [[Jerkass Stu]]: Damian, though it's ''very'' arguable. It is hard to tell if it's being played straight or not.
* [[Jerkass Woobie]]: Jason Todd, post-resurrection. Surely, he did a lot of awful things (as [[Kick the Dog|trying to kill Dick and Tim]]), but the guy is so screwed in the inside. His family is dead, his biological mother watched when was being tortured by the Joker and did ''nothing'' to stop it (in fact, [[Evil Matriarch|she was helping the Joker]]), and was brought back to life with amnesia, suffered a lot more while trying to recover his identity and his life (as we can see on ''Red Hood: The Lost Days''), and to this day, his life hasn't gotten any better.
* [[Jerkass Woobie]]: Jason Todd, post-resurrection. Surely, he did a lot of awful things (as [[Kick the Dog|trying to kill Dick and Tim]]), but the guy is so screwed in the inside. His family is dead, his biological mother watched when was being tortured by the Joker and did ''nothing'' to stop it (in fact, [[Evil Matriarch|she was helping the Joker]]), and was brought back to life with amnesia, suffered a lot more while trying to recover his identity and his life (as we can see on ''Red Hood: The Lost Days''), and to this day, his life hasn't gotten any better.
** Damian is a brat, no two ways about it. But he finally gets to be Robin only AFTER his father vanishes from the face of the earth, of which the whole point of getting said role was to spend time with him, is prohibited from killing in this new role, a tad crippling since he now has to solely rely on his TEN year old build to subdue the likes of Killer Croc and as a result gets kicked around by a LOT of people good and bad, and to top it all off he's surrounded by what amount to the surrogate CHILDREN of Bruce Wayne, a collection of people he loved and trusted despite not being his real family, who outright despise him. Not to mention how hellish and lonely his childhood probably was, and getting his SPINE blasted to pieces within the second arc of his flagship title. Kid's got it rough.
** Damian is a brat, no two ways about it. But he finally gets to be Robin only AFTER his father vanishes from the face of the earth, of which the whole point of getting said role was to spend time with him, is prohibited from killing in this new role, a tad crippling since he now has to solely rely on his TEN year old build to subdue the likes of Killer Croc and as a result gets kicked around by a LOT of people good and bad, and to top it all off he's surrounded by what amount to the surrogate CHILDREN of Bruce Wayne, a collection of people he loved and trusted despite not being his real family, who outright despise him. Not to mention how hellish and lonely his childhood probably was, and getting his SPINE blasted to pieces within the second arc of his flagship title. Kid's got it rough.
* [[Magnificent Bastard]]: Ra's al-Ghul.
* [[Magnificent Bastard]]: Ra's al-Ghul, [[The Joker]], and Catwoman are the best examples. The Penguin has his moments too.
** When he's written well, Riddler also becomes this, given his high level of intelligence. Unfortunately, this really depends on the writer and a lot of his stories don't highlight his intelligence very much.
** When he's written well, the Riddler also becomes this, given his high level of intelligence. Unfortunately, this really depends on the writer and a lot of his stories don't highlight his intelligence very much.
* [[Marty Stu]]: Batman is so [[Crazy Prepared]] that he can seem like this at times, though the fandom tends to [[Memetic Badass|exaggerate his prowess]] to the point where the lines between what he can really do and what the fans think he can do tends to blur slightly.
* [[Marty Stu]]: Batman is so [[Crazy Prepared]] that he can seem like this at times, though the fandom tends to [[Memetic Badass|exaggerate his prowess]] to the point where the lines between what he can really do and what the fans think he can do tends to blur slightly.
* [[Memetic Badass]]: Batman is one of the more notable ones. Give him enough prep, and he can beat God! "Batman can defeat any villain, given enough prep time," is Fanon.
* [[Memetic Badass]]: Batman is one of the more notable ones. Give him enough prep, and he can beat God! "Batman can defeat any villain, given enough prep time," is Fanon.
** There's a reason we mentioned that Batman could pull out a lightsaber with no explanation in the first paragraph.
** There's a reason we mentioned that Batman could pull out a lightsaber with no explanation in the first paragraph.
** [[Swamp Thing]] seems to have his number, though.
** [[Swamp Thing]] seems to have his number, though.
** He has admitted that a fight between him and [[Captain America]] could go either way with him completely unsure who would have the greater chance of winning.
** He has admitted that a fight between him and [[Captain America (comics)]] could go either way with him completely unsure who would have the greater chance of winning.
** And Wildcat also has his number.
** And Wildcat also has his number.
* [[Memetic Molester]]: People will ''not stop'' insisting that Batman is gay with Robin.
* [[Memetic Molester]]: People will ''not stop'' insisting that Batman is gay with Robin.
** A good deal of fans have gotten a creepy vibe that the Mad Hatter is a pedophile. Whether or not this is a reference to the possibly that [[Lewis Carroll]] was a suspected pedophile, ''[[Arkham Asylum a Serious House on Serious Earth]]'' and ''Streets of Gotham'' have only cemented the idea of Tetch being one.
** A good deal of fans have gotten a creepy vibe that the Mad Hatter is a pedophile. Whether or not this is a reference to the possibly that [[Lewis Carroll]] was a suspected pedophile, ''[[Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth]]'' and ''Streets of Gotham'' have only cemented the idea of Tetch being one.
** There's also the recurring rumor that [[The Joker]] raped Barbara Gordon in [[The Killing Joke]], but [[Alan Moore]] [[Word of God|has stated]] that he didn't. In [[Joker|his self-titled graphic novel]], however...
** There's also the recurring rumor that [[The Joker]] raped Barbara Gordon in [[The Killing Joke]], but [[Alan Moore]] [[Word of God|has stated]] that he didn't. In [[Joker|his self-titled graphic novel]], however...
* [[Memetic Mutation]]: Batman is probably the most memetic superhero of all time, mostly because of his [[Crazy Prepared]] [[Badass Normal]] [[Iron Woobie]] status. [[Batman/Memes|You can find his memes here.]]
* [[Memetic Mutation]]: Batman is probably the most memetic superhero of all time, mostly because of his [[Crazy Prepared]] [[Badass Normal]] [[Iron Woobie]] status. [[Batman/Memes|You can find his memes here.]]
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* [[Periphery Demographic]]: Batman sure has his lady fans. And judging by the large amount of officially licensed plushies, babydoll tees, and jewelry, DC is aware of this.
* [[Periphery Demographic]]: Batman sure has his lady fans. And judging by the large amount of officially licensed plushies, babydoll tees, and jewelry, DC is aware of this.
* [[Replacement Scrappy]]: Why'd you think the fans voted for Jason Todd to be killed off in the first place?
* [[Replacement Scrappy]]: Why'd you think the fans voted for Jason Todd to be killed off in the first place?
** When Cassandra Cain first appeared as Batgirl, she seemed to be a cliche [[Anti-Hero Substitute]], and had to face an uphill battle against being called a [[God Mode Sue]]. Once it was clear that yes, she was as much [[The Cape]] as they come, and no, illiteracy is not an easily-excusable [[Mary Sue]] [[Common Mary Sue Traits|Flaw]], it rather deflated. Barbara Gordon fans can still be a bit sore about her, though.
** When Cassandra Cain first appeared as Batgirl, she seemed to be a cliche [[Anti-Hero Substitute]], and had to face an uphill battle against being called a [[God Mode Sue]]. Once it was clear that yes, she was as much [[The Cape (trope)]] as they come, and no, illiteracy is not an easily-excusable [[Mary Sue]] [[Common Mary Sue Traits|Flaw]], it rather deflated. Barbara Gordon fans can still be a bit sore about her, though.
** The second Ventiloquist hasn't been very well-received so far, as the perception is that rather than try to make her appealing in her own right, much of the focus has been on running down her predecessor to say how much better she is.
** The second Ventiloquist hasn't been very well-received so far, as the perception is that rather than try to make her appealing in her own right, much of the focus has been on running down her predecessor to say how much better she is.
** Steph replacing Cassandra as Batgirl wasn't well-received by all. Before that, her replacing Tim as Robin wasn't, either.
** Steph replacing Cassandra as Batgirl wasn't well-received by all. Before that, her replacing Tim as Robin wasn't, either.
* [[Rescued From the Scrappy Heap]]:
* [[Rescued from the Scrappy Heap]]:
** Dick Grayson is ''definitely'' seen as a lot more formidable now than back when he was [[Snark Bait|Robin and wore tights and short-shorts in the Silver Age]].
** Dick Grayson is ''definitely'' seen as a lot more formidable now than back when he was [[Snark Bait|Robin and wore tights and short-shorts in the Silver Age]].
** Jason Todd, for a short while anyway. Whether or not this has happened since his resurrection, he helped save friggin' '''Superman''' in [[For the Man Who Has Everything]].
** Jason Todd, for a short while anyway. Whether or not this has happened since his resurrection, he helped save friggin' '''Superman''' in [[For the Man Who Has Everything]].
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*** Also the Direct to DVD movie [[Batman: Under the Red Hood]] fixed a lot of the problems with the original story in which he came back and made him more sympathetic, resulting in more fans warming up to him in the comics.
*** Also the Direct to DVD movie [[Batman: Under the Red Hood]] fixed a lot of the problems with the original story in which he came back and made him more sympathetic, resulting in more fans warming up to him in the comics.
** Accomplished to such a degree with Damian that many who hated him are both surprised terrified with the fact that they are starting to LIKE him.
** Accomplished to such a degree with Damian that many who hated him are both surprised terrified with the fact that they are starting to LIKE him.
** Flamebird. Due to her early [[Valley Girl]] nature and incompetence Post-Crisis, her clingy obsessive attitude, as well as being a retool of an already-campy character, fans didn't take to her very well. Geoff Johns and Ben Raab fleshed her out more in ''Beast Boy'' mini-series.
** Flamebird. Due to her early [[Valley Girl]] nature and incompetence Post-Crisis, her clingy obsessive attitude, as well as being a retool of an already-campy character, fans didn't take to her very well. Geoff Johns and Ben Raab fleshed her out more in ''Beast Boy'' mini-series.
* [[Rule of Cute]]: Funko Inc.'s collection of super-deformed, button-eyed DC heroes and villains, most of whom are Batman-related. [http://www.popcultcha.com.au/batman-plush-p-6793.html Just look how cute that widdle Caped Crusader is!] Also, [[Lego Batman]].
* [[Rule of Cute]]: Funko Inc.'s collection of super-deformed, button-eyed DC heroes and villains, most of whom are Batman-related. [https://web.archive.org/web/20121004061328/http://www.popcultcha.com.au/batman-plush-p-6793.html Just look how cute that widdle Caped Crusader is!] Also, [[Lego Batman]].
* [[The Scrappy]]: Damian Wayne, though he's getting better.
* [[The Scrappy]]: Damian Wayne, though he's getting better.
** The Riddler. Not as bad as most others, but is generally labelled as the lamest of the big name rogues, with a mental disorder (OCD) that many find dull in comparison to the others. Emphasizing him as a "technically legal" villain has since quieted some of them down. Though back in the [[Golden Age]] and [[Silver Age]], he actually ''was'' one of the most popular villains, since many of the other rogues who supplanted him hadn't been invented yet.
** The Riddler. Not as bad as most others, but is generally labelled as the lamest of the big name rogues, with a mental disorder (OCD) that many find dull in comparison to the others. Emphasizing him as a "technically legal" villain has since quieted some of them down. Though back in the [[Golden Age]] and [[Silver Age]], he actually ''was'' one of the most popular villains, since many of the other rogues who supplanted him hadn't been invented yet.
* [[Ships That Pass in the Night]]: For a brief time, Flamebird was looking to be linked with [[Teen Titans (Comic Book)|Beast Boy]].
* [[Ships That Pass in the Night]]: For a brief time, Flamebird was looking to be linked with [[Teen Titans (Comic Book)|Beast Boy]].
* [[Straw Man Has a Point]]: Jason Todd. Joker's not going to stop killing people now is he?
* [[Straw Man Has a Point]]: Jason Todd. Joker's not going to stop killing people now is he?
* [[Tear Jerker]]: Alfred after ''[[Final Crisis]]''. "Am I alright? ... No, sir. My son is dead."
* [[Tear Jerker]]: Alfred after ''[[Final Crisis]]''. "Am I alright? ... No, sir. My son is dead."
* [[Unfortunate Implications]]: Concerning Cassandra Cain--A female character that's more skilled than Batman? Quick! Turn her into a one-dimensional villain, make her so weak that even Tim Drake can beat her and make her moody! And while we're at it, a popular Asian character? Quick, let's replace her with someone with Blond Hair and Blue Eyes.
* [[Unfortunate Implications]]: Concerning Cassandra Cain—A female character that's more skilled than Batman? Quick! Turn her into a one-dimensional villain, make her so weak that even Tim Drake can beat her and make her moody! And while we're at it, a popular Asian character? Quick, let's replace her with someone with Blond Hair and Blue Eyes.
* [[Wangst]]: Exactly how strongly this is portrayed falls squarely into [[Depending on the Writer]].
* [[Wangst]]: Exactly how strongly this is portrayed falls squarely into [[Depending on the Writer]].
** [[Memetic Mutation|MY PARENTS ARE DEAAAAAAAAAD!]]
** [[Memetic Mutation|MY PARENTS ARE DEAAAAAAAAAD!]]
* [[The Woobie]]: Cassandra Cain, Stephanie Brown and Mister Freeze.
* [[The Woobie]]: Cassandra Cain, Stephanie Brown and Mister Freeze.
** The Ventriloquist. How can you not feel for the guy? It ain't his fault that he has to share his brain with a ruthless, abusive gangster.
** The Ventriloquist. How can you not feel for the guy? It ain't his fault that he has to share his brain with a ruthless, abusive gangster.



=== Examples from ''[[Batman (TV series)|Batman]]'', the 1966 TV Series ===
=== Examples from ''[[Batman (TV series)|Batman]]'', the 1966 TV Series ===

== TV Series ==
== TV Series ==
* [[Big Lipped Alligator Moment]]: As our heroes scale buildings with the Bat Ropes, they invariably get stopped by someone whose window they pass.
* [[Non Sequitur Scene]]: As our heroes scale buildings with the Bat Ropes, they invariably get stopped by someone whose window they pass.
* [[Crowning Moment of Funny]]: [[Large Ham]] King Tut madly screams his dialogue to the ear of one of the beautiful mute [[Living Prop]] slave girls of his harem. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTQ0RHE8ZhA She tries her best to do not change her indifferent expression].
* [[Crowning Moment of Funny]]: [[Large Ham]] King Tut madly screams his dialogue to the ear of one of the beautiful mute [[Living Prop]] slave girls of his harem. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTQ0RHE8ZhA She tries her best to do not change her indifferent expression].
* [[Ear Worm]]: Several, including:
* [[Ear Worm]]: Several, including:
** Of course, "Na-na-na-na-Na-na-na-na-Na...'''Batmaaaaaan!'''"
** Of course, "Na-na-na-na-Na-na-na-na-Na...'''Batmaaaaaan!'''"
** Batgirl's theme song...[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFidlZdAQxg isn't very good.] But it's still unfortunately catchy.
** Batgirl's theme song...[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFidlZdAQxg isn't very good.] But it's still unfortunately catchy.
** Some of the villains' leitmotifs can qualify, for certain ears.
** Some of the villains' leitmotifs can qualify, for certain ears.
* [[Ethnic Scrappy]]: Chief Screaming Chicken, the embarassingly stereotypical Native American from "An Egg Grows in Gotham"/"The Yegg Foes in Gotham".
* [[Ethnic Scrappy]]: Chief Screaming Chicken, the embarassingly stereotypical Native American from "An Egg Grows in Gotham"/"The Yegg Foes in Gotham".
* [[Fair for Its Day]]: [http://tothebatpoles.blogspot.com/2011/09/spotlight-on-hi-diddle-diddlesmack-in.html This article] argues that given the [[Values Dissonance]] between the executives in charge in [[The Sixties]] and [[The New Tens|now]], the mere fact of a show about [[Superhero|SuperHeroes]] being green lighted at [[The Sixties]] as an [[Affectionate Parody]] of the comics written at [[The Silver Age of Comic Books]] was a fair enough interpretation.
* [[Fair for Its Day]]: [http://tothebatpoles.blogspot.com/2011/09/spotlight-on-hi-diddle-diddlesmack-in.html This article] argues that given the [[Values Dissonance]] between the executives in charge in [[The Sixties]] and [[The New Tens|now]], the mere fact of a show about [[Superhero|SuperHeroes]] being green lighted at [[The Sixties]] as an [[Affectionate Parody]] of the comics written at [[The Silver Age of Comic Books]] was a fair enough interpretation.
* [[Hate Dumb]]: The complaints from "Batman fans" that this show nearly ruined Batman and didn't get him at all. At the time ([[The Sixties]]) of the comics this was how Batman was portrayed. Actually the comics were even more stupid and played straight (see [[The Silver Age of Comic Books]]). Batman was only "dark" for a brief period of time when he first started and then dissolved into a colorful superhero that the series represented. It wasn't until the 70's that Batman returned to his darker roots, after this show had ended. Never mind the fact that this show launched Batman into pop culture and saved the comics from cancellation.
* [[Hate Dumb]]: The complaints from "Batman fans" that this show nearly ruined Batman and didn't get him at all. At the time ([[The Sixties]]) of the comics this was how Batman was portrayed. Actually the comics were even more stupid and played straight (see [[The Silver Age of Comic Books]]). Batman was only "dark" for a brief period of time when he first started and then dissolved into a colorful superhero that the series represented. It wasn't until the 70's that Batman returned to his darker roots, after this show had ended. Never mind the fact that this show launched Batman into pop culture and saved the comics from cancellation.
{{quote| [[Short Lived Big Impact|'If your only memory]] of [[Batman]] is that of [[Adam West]] and Burt Ward [[Camp|exchanging camped-out quips while]] [[Fight Scene Failure|clobbering slumming guest stars]] [[Vincent Price]] and Cesar Romero, [[Take That|I hope this book come as a surprise]]. [[Frank Miller|For me,]] [[Serious Business|Batman was never funny']].<br />
{{quote|[[Short-Lived, Big Impact|'If your only memory]] of [[Batman]] is that of [[Adam West]] and Burt Ward [[Camp|exchanging camped-out quips while]] [[Fight Scene Failure|clobbering slumming guest stars]] [[Vincent Price]] and Cesar Romero, [[Take That|I hope this book come as a surprise]]. [[Frank Miller|For me,]] [[Serious Business|Batman was never funny']].<br />
[[Frank Miller]], 'Introduction', [[Batman: Year One]] }}
[[Frank Miller]], 'Introduction', [[Batman: Year One]] }}
* [[Hilarious in Hindsight]]: Those who have seen Vincent Price as Egghead [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Utj087mchw#t=6m33s and heard what the Narrator called him] will probably get a kick out of what [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw0HlB54CIw this song] calls Vincent Price's character [[The Great Mouse Detective|in a certain animated movie with mice]] many years later, or vice versa!
* [[Hilarious in Hindsight]]: Those who have seen Vincent Price as Egghead [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Utj087mchw#t=6m33s and heard what the Narrator called him] will probably get a kick out of what [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw0HlB54CIw this song] calls Vincent Price's character [[The Great Mouse Detective|in a certain animated movie with mice]] many years later, or vice versa!
** ''The Penguin Goes Straight'' has Penguin plotting to become Mayor of Gotham for nefarious purposes. [[Batman: Arkham City|Hmmm]]... [[Batman Returns|Where have we heard that before?]]
** ''The Penguin Goes Straight'' has Penguin plotting to become Mayor of Gotham for nefarious purposes. [[Batman: Arkham City|Hmmm]]... [[Batman Returns|Where have we heard that before?]]
** During a Season 3 episode, Batman reveals a [[Comm Links|mini-Batphone]] that for all intents and purposes is similar to a modern [[Cell Phone]].
** During a Season 3 episode, Batman reveals a [[Comm Links|mini-Batphone]] that for all intents and purposes is similar to a modern [[Cell Phone]].
** ''The Penguin's A Jinx:'' After movie star Dawn Robbins comments that Batman could use more publicity, his agent, Mr. Jay, answers:
** ''The Penguin's A Jinx:'' After movie star Dawn Robbins comments that Batman could use more publicity, his agent, Mr. Jay, answers:
{{quote| ''"Forget it, [[Cash Cow Franchise|Batman never lends himself to commercial enterprises]]"''}}
{{quote|''"Forget it, [[Cash Cow Franchise|Batman never lends himself to commercial enterprises]]"''}}
* [[Ho Yay]]: Obvious. Three bachelors in one house, and two of them wear tights.
* [[Ho Yay]]: Obvious. Three bachelors in one house, and two of them wear tights.
** Also, in the pilot, the Riddler is ''really'' excited by seeing his assistant dress up as Robin and pose in a somewhat seductive fashion.
** Also, in the pilot, the Riddler is ''really'' excited by seeing his assistant dress up as Robin and pose in a somewhat seductive fashion.
* [[Magnificent Bastard]]: The Penguin, thanks largely in part to Burgess Meredith.
* [[Memetic Mutation]]: The aforementioned catch phrases of Robin and the announcer. (Notably, these became memetic ''long'' before the invention of the Internet.)
* [[Memetic Mutation]]: The aforementioned catch phrases of Robin and the announcer. (Notably, these became memetic ''long'' before the invention of the Internet.)
** [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrmPehlHK3w "Ualuealuealeuale!"], a [[Memetic Mutation/Music|musical meme]] combining a loop of Batman bobbing his head like a drunkard while performing the Batusi dance with the incomprehensible hook of the El Chombo single "Chacarron Macarron." The Batusi itself is also a meme.
** [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrmPehlHK3w "Ualuealuealeuale!"], a [[Memetic Mutation/Music|musical meme]] combining a loop of Batman bobbing his head like a drunkard while performing the Batusi dance with the incomprehensible hook of the El Chombo single "Chacarron Macarron." The Batusi itself is also a meme.
** "Good thinking, Batman!" remains a popular response in the UK when someone suggests a [[Zany Scheme]].
** "Good thinking, Batman!" remains a popular response in the UK when someone suggests a [[Zany Scheme]].
* [[Narm]]: It's probably intentional, but Batman and Robin [[Anvilicious|throw around anvils like there's no tomorrow]] in the narmiest way possible. They include Robin not being allowed to go into a bar because he is underage (even though he needs to go in there to catch a villain) and Batman being very adamant that someone who regularly pays their taxes can't possibly commit a crime.
* [[Narm]]: It's probably intentional, but Batman and Robin [[Anvilicious|throw around anvils like there's no tomorrow]] in the narmiest way possible. They include Robin not being allowed to go into a bar because he is underage (even though he needs to go in there to catch a villain) and Batman being very adamant that someone who regularly pays their taxes can't possibly commit a crime.
* [[Popularity Polynomial]]: The popularity, or lack thereof, of the show among "serious" comics fans definitely waxes and wanes.
* [[Popularity Polynomial]]: The popularity, or lack thereof, of the show among "serious" comics fans definitely waxes and wanes.
* [[Seasonal Rot]]: This series' first season had fairly good balance of drama and farce, but the subsequent seasons lost it; Season 2 became primarily ridiculous, and Season 3 was both embarrassingly cheap and ridiculous.
* [[Seasonal Rot]]: This series' first season had fairly good balance of drama and farce, but the subsequent seasons lost it; Season 2 became primarily ridiculous, and Season 3 was both embarrassingly cheap and ridiculous.
** The first season, even when being an [[Affectionate Parody]] of the Superhero genre, was more of a [[Deconstructive Parody]] where [[Anyone Can Die]], the villains were [[Dangerously Genre Savvy]] and the [[Big-Budget Beef-Up]] could afford [[Visual Effects of Awesome]] that were seen in [[Batman: The Movie]]. The second season exaggerates the parody and becomes an Indecisive parody, the villains suffered [[Flanderization]], [[Everybody Lives]] and the budget is lower, giving place to [[Bottle Episode|BottleEpisodes]] that breaks the rule of [[Show, Don't Tell]], there were [[Special Effects Failure|SpecialEffectsFailures]] and [[Stock Footage Failure|StockFootageFailures]] The third season was the worst: the [[Flanderization]] is at its fullest, creating a [[Stealth Parody]] or a [[Parody Failure]], there were almost [[No Budget]], an episode with [[Invisible Monsters|InvisibleVillains]] and not even the inclusion of Batgirl as [[Ms. Fanservice]] could save the ratings.
** The first season, even when being an [[Affectionate Parody]] of the Superhero genre, was more of a [[Deconstructive Parody]] where [[Anyone Can Die]], the villains were [[Dangerously Genre Savvy]] and the [[Big-Budget Beef-Up]] could afford [[Visual Effects of Awesome]] that were seen in [[Batman: The Movie]]. The second season exaggerates the parody and becomes an Indecisive parody, the villains suffered [[Flanderization]], [[Everybody Lives]] and the budget is lower, giving place to [[Bottle Episode|BottleEpisodes]] that breaks the rule of [[Show, Don't Tell]], there were [[Special Effects Failure|SpecialEffectsFailures]] and [[Stock Footage Failure|StockFootageFailures]] The third season was the worst: the [[Flanderization]] is at its fullest, creating a [[Stealth Parody]] or a [[Parody Failure]], there were almost [[No Budget]], an episode with [[Invisible Monsters|InvisibleVillains]] and not even the inclusion of Batgirl as [[Ms. Fanservice]] could save the ratings.
* [[So Bad It's Good]]: Likely intended effect though.
* [[So Bad It's Good]]: Likely intended effect though.
* [[Special Effect Failure]]: Often, especially when Batman uses the grappling hook.
* [[Special Effect Failure]]: Often, especially when Batman uses the grappling hook.
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== 1989 Movie ==
== 1989 Movie ==
* [[Badass Decay]]: Commisioner Gordon is perfectly competent in the Burton movies, but in the Shumacher films he's turned into a joke.
* [[Badass Decay]]: Commisioner Gordon is perfectly competent in the Burton movies, but in the Shumacher films he's turned into a joke.
** "Perfectly competent" might be pushing it. He doesn't really do anything, and is clearly based off of the goofy equally do-nothing TV show version.
* [[Complete Monster]]: The Joker. He retains a certain amount of sympathy through being [[Laughably Evil]] and a [[Magnificent Bastard]]. But, he kills people [[For the Evulz|just for pleasure]] the whole movie, he horribly disfigured his girlfriend Alicia (it's also implied he throws her out of a window), {{spoiler|he shoots dead his long-time friend Bob just let out his anger}}, and intends to poison the whole of Gotham's citizenry with the Smylex gas, without showing much motivation or thought process about it.
* [[Complete Monster]]: The Joker. He retains a certain amount of sympathy through being [[Laughably Evil]] and a [[Magnificent Bastard]]. But, he kills people [[For the Evulz|just for pleasure]] the whole movie, he horribly disfigured his girlfriend Alicia (it's also implied he throws her out of a window), {{spoiler|he shoots dead his long-time friend Bob just let out his anger}}, and intends to poison the whole of Gotham's citizenry with the Smylex gas, without showing much motivation or thought process about it.
** {{spoiler|Oh yeah, and he's the one who killed who Bruce's parents for no reason.}}
** {{spoiler|Oh yeah, and he's the one who killed who Bruce's parents for no reason.}}
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** And a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnrJhbmxaoM&feature=related fan tribute]!
** And a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnrJhbmxaoM&feature=related fan tribute]!
* [[Fanon]]: While Jack Napier's partner who grabbed Mrs. Wayne's pearls is generally believed to be Bob, several fans assume him to be Joe Chill.
* [[Fanon]]: While Jack Napier's partner who grabbed Mrs. Wayne's pearls is generally believed to be Bob, several fans assume him to be Joe Chill.
* [[Fountain of Memes]]: Aside from the [[Catch Phrase|catchphrases]], the Joker's initial reaction to seeing his new face (smashing the mirror, giggling madly) became widely imitated. (Example: [[The Simpsons|Lisa Simpson]] seeing her braces.)
* [[Fountain of Memes]]: Aside from the [[Catch Phrase|catchphrases]], the Joker's initial reaction to seeing his new face (smashing the mirror, giggling madly) became widely imitated. (Example: [[The Simpsons (animation)|Lisa Simpson]] seeing her braces.)
** As for [[Catch Phrase|Catch Phrases]]:
** As for [[Catch Phrase]]s:
{{quote| I'm Batman.<br />
{{quote|I'm Batman.
"Winged freak terrorizes"? ''Wait'll they get a load of ME!''<br />
"Winged freak terrorizes"? ''Wait'll they get a load of ME!''
This town needs an enema! <br />
This town needs an enema!
Alfred, let's go shopping.<br />
Alfred, let's go shopping.
He's out there right now. And I've gotta go to work.<br />
He's out there right now. And I've gotta go to work.
[[Trope Namer|Where does he get those wonderful toys?]]<br />
[[Trope Namer|Where does he get those wonderful toys?]]<br />
"Ever dance with the Devil in the pale moonlight?" }}
"Ever dance with the Devil in the pale moonlight?" }}
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* [[Seinfeld Is Unfunny]]: The first film was unique at the time. Comic book movies, and there weren't that many of them then, had never been so darkly elaborate before. It was also by far the darkest take on Batman beyond the actual comics. But after both the [[DCAU|DCAU take]] on the characters and the [[The Dark Knight Saga|Christopher Nolan reboot]] proved to be exceptional adaptations in their own right, ''and'' the lingering bad aftertaste of Schumacher's sequels tainted the series' reputation, it's harder to appreciate the Burton films for what they were/are.
* [[Seinfeld Is Unfunny]]: The first film was unique at the time. Comic book movies, and there weren't that many of them then, had never been so darkly elaborate before. It was also by far the darkest take on Batman beyond the actual comics. But after both the [[DCAU|DCAU take]] on the characters and the [[The Dark Knight Saga|Christopher Nolan reboot]] proved to be exceptional adaptations in their own right, ''and'' the lingering bad aftertaste of Schumacher's sequels tainted the series' reputation, it's harder to appreciate the Burton films for what they were/are.
* [[What an Idiot!]]: The second of Joker's three goons at the top of the cathedral is a big fat guy who tries to jump down on him from a higher platform. And promptly falls through the floor before Batman even has time to turn around. Also qualifies as a [[Funny Moments]].
* [[What an Idiot!]]: The second of Joker's three goons at the top of the cathedral is a big fat guy who tries to jump down on him from a higher platform. And promptly falls through the floor before Batman even has time to turn around. Also qualifies as a [[Funny Moments]].
* [[WTH? Casting Agency]]: Michael Keaton so thoroughly proved the naysayers wrong that, in hindsight, it's hard to remember just how bizarre casting a famously mild, unimposing comedic actor as a grim, Frank Miller-inspired version of Batman seemed at the time. Thousands of fans wrote letters to [[Warner Bros]] protesting the choice before the movie's release, and even Keaton himself initially thought that his being cast for the part meant that the film would be taking its cues from the TV series.
* [[What the Hell, Casting Agency?]]: Michael Keaton so thoroughly proved the naysayers wrong that, in hindsight, it's hard to remember just how bizarre casting a famously mild, unimposing comedic actor as a grim, Frank Miller-inspired version of Batman seemed at the time. Thousands of fans wrote letters to [[Warner Bros]] protesting the choice before the movie's release, and even Keaton himself initially thought that his being cast for the part meant that the film would be taking its cues from the TV series.
** Which of course it was. It's just that back then people weren't quite as familiar with Tim Burton's recipe of "Take bright energetic thing. Make bright energetic thing dark and with a lot of odd angles. Add stripes and daddy issues. Cook until overdone."
* [[WTH Costuming Department]]: Lawrence, the large, bald individual of the Joker goon squad, wears [[Christianity Is Catholic|a Roman collar]] beneath his jacket.
* [[WTH Costuming Department]]: Lawrence, the large, bald individual of the Joker goon squad, wears [[Christianity Is Catholic|a Roman collar]] beneath his jacket.


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* [[The Batman/YMMV|The Batman]]
* [[The Batman/YMMV|The Batman]]
** [[The Batman vs. Dracula/YMMV|The Batman vs. Dracula]]
** [[The Batman vs. Dracula/YMMV|The Batman vs. Dracula]]
* [[Batman the Brave And The Bold (Animation)/YMMV|Batman the Brave And The Bold]]
* [[Batman: The Brave And The Bold/YMMV|Batman the Brave And The Bold]]
* [[Batman: Under the Red Hood/YMMV|Batman Under the Red Hood]]
* [[Batman: Under the Red Hood/YMMV|Batman Under the Red Hood]]


=== Examples from Batman in [[Video Games]] ===
=== Examples from Batman in [[Video Games]] ===

== Trans-Franchise VG Tropes ==
== Trans-Franchise VG Tropes ==
* [[The Problem with Licensed Games]]: In general, Bats has had more luck with this than most superheroes; his first NES outing by Sunsoft is considered one of the finest [[Nintendo Hard]]-in-a-good-way platformers, his 16-bit games tended to be at least okay (though this is the time period which [[The Angry Video Game Nerd]] found the most to object to), and the [[Batman: Arkham Asylum|Arkham]] [[Batman: Arkham City|Series]] pretty much proved that licensed games ''don't'' have to be bad. He has still had some stinkers, though (like a few of the aforementioned 16-bit era games, or the Commodore 64 game, which ''looked'' cool but was a nightmare to actually play).
* [[The Problem with Licensed Games]]: In general, Bats has had more luck with this than most superheroes; his first NES outing by Sunsoft is considered one of the finest [[Nintendo Hard]]-in-a-good-way platformers, his 16-bit games tended to be at least okay (though this is the time period which [[The Angry Video Game Nerd]] found the most to object to), and the [[Batman: Arkham Asylum|Arkham]] [[Batman: Arkham City|Series]] pretty much proved that licensed games ''don't'' have to be bad. He has still had some stinkers, though (like a few of the aforementioned 16-bit era games, or the Commodore 64 game, which ''looked'' cool but was a nightmare to actually play).
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* [[Batman: Arkham City/YMMV|Batman Arkham City]]
* [[Batman: Arkham City/YMMV|Batman Arkham City]]


=== Other examples from Batman: ===
=== Other examples from Batman ===
* [[Batman the Musical/YMMV|Batman the Musical]]
* [[Batman: The Musical/YMMV|Batman: The Musical]]


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Examples from Batman in Comics

Comic Book

  • Alien Scrappy: Bat Mite.
  • Alas Poor Base Breaker: When Jason Todd was first killed off by the Joker.
  • Alternate Character Interpretation: To date, Batman is one of the few comic book characters to have run all nine alignments. Denny O'Neil once stated one of the great things about the character is that he can be portrayed in several different ways and all ring true.
    • Does the Ventriloquist suffer a split personality, a dissociative disorder, or is he right in his belief that Scarface is possessed by the ghost of every murderer hung on the gallows he was carved from? There's evidence to support all these theories, and even the one that Wesker knows exactly what he's doing and Scarface is just a gimmick.
  • Angst? What Angst?: Stephanie Brown as Batgirl. Not that we're complaining...
    • Dick too. Sometimes he's written as grimply as Bruce, but mostly he's generally happy and friendly. Essentially, he was the Fun Personified character before Steph took that role.
  • Author's Saving Throw: As it eventually turned out, Deathstroke was feeding Cassandra mind-control drugs.
  • Base Breaker: Jason Todd was initially so controversial that DC allowed for a fan vote to determine whether he lived or died. Ironically there were just barely more votes for him to die. And years later, the editor would admit (or rather, claim) hundreds of votes in the "Jason Dies" line came from a single person, (theoretically, if you believe it) adding a large degree of uncertainty to the honesty of results regarding a poll designed to determine the character's popularity. And surely he's got plenty of fans after killing a rapist.
    • He actually is still a Base Breaker; fans either love him or wish there was a second phone-in vote to kill him off again.
    • Bat-Mite. To some, he exemplifies everything wrong with the Silver Age. To others, he exemplifies everything right.
    • The Robins in general. Either they're audience surrogates who provide an interesting insight to what it would be like to have Batman as a father, or they're useless and dated who only surve as to hold Batman back. Dick has, fourtunately, managed to shake that off by becoming Nightwing, a much more well liked hero.
    • Stephanie Brown/Spoiler/RobinIIII/BatgirlIII, unfourtunately, gets quite a lot of hate, despite having a large fanbase and, generally, being well liked by the fandom, but there's just enough people who hate her for her to qualify for this. Replacement Scrappy status asside, people either love her for being hope-filled, angstless, idealistic and generally happy, while others hate her for all these things since they don't feel it 'fits' with the rest of Gotham's protectors. Apparently, some people only like angsty and brooding heroes.
      • Or, you know, they dislike her because she was used for a very badly-handled Very Special Issue story early in her run, some of the writing decisions involving her have been dubious at best (Batman just deciding to reveal both his and Robin's secret identities to her because... he thought Robin needed relationship help or something), and let's not forget that some of her fans can make rabid Harmonians look like Vulcans.
  • Complete Monster: The Joker, Black Mask, Mr. Zsasz, and Deacon Blackfire are the most noteworthy examples.
    • James Gordon, Jr. is this as well, having tortured and murdered many people in the past for no reason beyond the power it gives him. He even reveals that he thinks of empathy as a weakness, and tortures his sister Barbara by driving a pair of knives into her paralyzed legs.
  • Copy Cat Sue/Overused Copycat Character: Hush is debatably this, given that it can be argued that nothing about his character is particularly original within the context of the Batman mythos. Batman already had plenty of Shadow Archetype enemies, while the Wrath and Prometheus, and more subtly Black Mask, all whom came along before Hush had backstories made to explicitly mirror Bruce Wayne's. Was even subject to some (possibly unintentional) Lampshade Hanging by Batman, who drew parallels to his other villains when trying to deduce Hush's identity (associating him using Guns Akimbo to Deadshot and quoting Aristotle to Maxie Zeus). On a somewhat related note, Hush also dresses up exactly like Darkman.
  • Creator's Pet: For much of Damian's existence, he's been a McGuffin and has barely had any character development. As a result, he tends to be widely disliked amongst fans. Being made into Robin has only increased the backlash against the character.
    • And yet, because of his age, the fact that he comprises half of one of the more entertaining Batman-and-Robin duos in a long while, and the considerable amount of Character Development he's received, he's actually started to win over a fair amount of fans, even some of his most vocal haters.
      • Of course, DC being how they are, once they learned the fans were actually starting to like the character, they killed him off.
    • Hush. However, after the "Heart of Hush" storyline, reactions have been turning to more positive.
    • Batman himself may easy turn into one when he is written by his fans - most jarring examples include some comics written by Frank Miller, that are determined to show how much better than everybody else Batman is and JLA: Act of God, where he receives giant amount of Character Shilling.
  • Dork Age:
    • For Bruce Wayne:
      • The "new direction" of the 1960s, with the blue cowl and wacky Silver Age sci-fi hijinx.
    • For Dick Grayson:
      • Devin Grayson's "Born Again" arc. Not only was it flawed from supposition one (Nightwing, one of the most well connected superheroes being alienated in an attempt to "rebuild him"), time constraints from the then-upcoming Infinite Crisis only made it worse. It's pretty much Canon Discontinuity now, thankfully.
      • Not to mention that there was almost certainly people who hoped that Robin would be a Dork Age for Batman when he first showed up (hint: it was actually the exact opposite), even with what little continuity there was back then.
      • And Bruce Jones' "Nightwing: One Year Later" storyline. With its tentacle monsters and Dick modelling Nightwing suits. Yeah, there are reasons people don't like to talk about "Nightwing: One Year Later".
      • Nightwing as Renegade AKA Deathstroke's apprentice. Thanks again for this, Ms. Grayson!
    • For Cassandra Cain... boyhowdy. Adam Beechen wrote her from being near mute with deep psychological dyslexic issues into someone who monologued in Navajo Code. And she took personal pleasure in killing people.
    • For Tim, pretty much the time in between his life began to really suck to just recently, when it began to get better.
  • Dude, Not Funny: Many stories have a moment where Batman alludes to his traumatic origin, and/or to the fact that he really is Darker and Edgier than most of his superhero friends. Maybe the best example was in an episode of Justice League Unlimited in which the League was reduced to children by magic. Throughout the episode, Batman remains composed and grim just like he normally is while most of the rest of the heroes are hyper, temperamental and dangers to themselves and others. This might look like him being his usual Crazy Prepared self, until the Denouement to the episode when another character says in a light-hearted way that it was nice to be a kid again. His response? "I haven't been a kid since I was eight years old."
  • Ensemble Darkhorse: It's not uncommon for people to name Tim as their favorite and most relatable character as unlike Dick or Jason, he had the most "normal" life prior to putting on the mask, which means he often reacts the same way the reader would in a situation.
    • Cassandra Cain. Despite rarely appearing at all in crossovers and having her only media exposure being a one-second cameo in Justice League and a crappy video game, despite getting pushed around and trainwrecked by editorial a lot, despite vanishing entirely in recent days, she still has a dedicated fanbase, and it's not hard to find bits from her solo comic posted on the current Scans Daily to this day, four years after it ended. What's more, she's on par with Barbara Gordon in fanart and fanfiction, even though Barbara has gotten many times as much exposure as her.
    • Damian Wayne, for newer readers who didn't get him when he was more of a jerkass until they backtracked.
    • COLIN WILKES. This kid seriously wins. He's only been in 6 issues (the first three of which are usually only read becuase the latter three mention them). In the latter three, he shows that he's become a vigilante and helps Damian break up a fight ring run by Zsasz, becoming sort-of friends with Damian. And knows that Damian is Robin. And is adorable (when not transformed into Abuse anyways).
      • And has more fanart/fanfiction than you would believe. Going by Deviant ART or Tumblr, one could be forgiven for not realizing Colin's a very minor charatcer.
    • Stephanie Brown. Despite having a lot of haters, for someone who was treated like crap by Batman and writers alike, she has one very notable fanbase. If people don't call Cass their favourite Batgirl, Steph will usually be the name they say instead (mostly since everyone proffers Babs as Oracle).
  • My Real Daddy: While Jeph Loeb created the character, a good amount of fans feel Hush did not get really interesting until Paul Dini started writing the character.
  • Mr. Fanservice: Batman/Bruce Wayne, enough said. Also, Nightwing. Or more accurately, Nightwing's ass. And Nolanverse Joker.
  • Even the Guys Want Him: Probably the one thing we can all agree with Joel Schumacher on.
  • Evil Is Sexy: Catwoman. Though she's not exactly evil.
  • Fan-Preferred Couple: As a longtime confirmed bachelor, there are tons of Batman ships:
    • Batman/Catwoman is as close to canon as any have ever been, but writers keep them apart based on the "she's a criminal, he's Batman" premise. They seemed to become Friends with Benefits before the events of Final Crisis.
    • Batman/Zatanna is teased at several times, particularly if Paul Dini is writing.
    • Batman/Wonder Woman is a favorite ship of half of comic fandom (that other half preferring Superman/Wonder Woman). It's even suggested that she had an unrequited love for him during Blackest Night.
    • Batman/Talia too, considering their past affair and that Damian came from it. Downplayed since her Face Heel Turn, in which they no longer have the close contact they had before.
  • Foe Yay: Catwoman. Talia Al Ghul, A little with Poison Ivy and Harley Quinn. An interesting interplay with the Joker (the scene where he holds him in his arms while telling Gordon he will not let him die) And he renews that offer of rehabilitation with regularity.
  • Ho Yay: Has its own page.
  • Iron Woobie: Tim Drake isn't called "the saddest Robin" for nothing.
    • And of course, Batman himself.
    • Hell, everyone who you could call a woobie is this, since they're all badass vigilantes or Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds. Reading the following Woobie entries,y uo'll be hard pressed not finding one who isn't this type of woobie.
  • Jerkass Stu: Damian, though it's very arguable. It is hard to tell if it's being played straight or not.
  • Jerkass Woobie: Jason Todd, post-resurrection. Surely, he did a lot of awful things (as trying to kill Dick and Tim), but the guy is so screwed in the inside. His family is dead, his biological mother watched when was being tortured by the Joker and did nothing to stop it (in fact, she was helping the Joker), and was brought back to life with amnesia, suffered a lot more while trying to recover his identity and his life (as we can see on Red Hood: The Lost Days), and to this day, his life hasn't gotten any better.
    • Damian is a brat, no two ways about it. But he finally gets to be Robin only AFTER his father vanishes from the face of the earth, of which the whole point of getting said role was to spend time with him, is prohibited from killing in this new role, a tad crippling since he now has to solely rely on his TEN year old build to subdue the likes of Killer Croc and as a result gets kicked around by a LOT of people good and bad, and to top it all off he's surrounded by what amount to the surrogate CHILDREN of Bruce Wayne, a collection of people he loved and trusted despite not being his real family, who outright despise him. Not to mention how hellish and lonely his childhood probably was, and getting his SPINE blasted to pieces within the second arc of his flagship title. Kid's got it rough.
  • Magnificent Bastard: Ra's al-Ghul, The Joker, and Catwoman are the best examples. The Penguin has his moments too.
    • When he's written well, the Riddler also becomes this, given his high level of intelligence. Unfortunately, this really depends on the writer and a lot of his stories don't highlight his intelligence very much.
  • Marty Stu: Batman is so Crazy Prepared that he can seem like this at times, though the fandom tends to exaggerate his prowess to the point where the lines between what he can really do and what the fans think he can do tends to blur slightly.
  • Memetic Badass: Batman is one of the more notable ones. Give him enough prep, and he can beat God! "Batman can defeat any villain, given enough prep time," is Fanon.
    • There's a reason we mentioned that Batman could pull out a lightsaber with no explanation in the first paragraph.
    • Swamp Thing seems to have his number, though.
    • He has admitted that a fight between him and Captain America (comics) could go either way with him completely unsure who would have the greater chance of winning.
    • And Wildcat also has his number.
  • Memetic Molester: People will not stop insisting that Batman is gay with Robin.
  • Memetic Mutation: Batman is probably the most memetic superhero of all time, mostly because of his Crazy Prepared Badass Normal Iron Woobie status. You can find his memes here.
  • Memetic Sex God: Though not in the traditional sense, Nightwing's butt is usually drawn so... well that his hotness transcends species; a female sentient ape once hit on him.
  • Mind Game Ship: Hush with Batman, maybe even more so with Bruce.
  • Newer Than They Think: Though it's now his signature gimmick, the Scarecrow didn't use fear gas until over twenty years after his debut. In fact, in the 1940s he didn't use any artificial methods at all, and terrified people using only his wits and conventional weaponry.
  • Nightmare Fuel: Damian's face as he is about to engage the 99 Fiends. The immediate snapping of a hellhound's neck as he proceeds to cut the limbs off of several of his opponents doesn't help either.
  • Paranoia Fuel: Doesn't matter if you're a good guy or a bad guy... Batman is watching you. ALWAYS WATCHING YOU.
  • Periphery Demographic: Batman sure has his lady fans. And judging by the large amount of officially licensed plushies, babydoll tees, and jewelry, DC is aware of this.
  • Replacement Scrappy: Why'd you think the fans voted for Jason Todd to be killed off in the first place?
    • When Cassandra Cain first appeared as Batgirl, she seemed to be a cliche Anti-Hero Substitute, and had to face an uphill battle against being called a God Mode Sue. Once it was clear that yes, she was as much The Cape (trope) as they come, and no, illiteracy is not an easily-excusable Mary Sue Flaw, it rather deflated. Barbara Gordon fans can still be a bit sore about her, though.
    • The second Ventiloquist hasn't been very well-received so far, as the perception is that rather than try to make her appealing in her own right, much of the focus has been on running down her predecessor to say how much better she is.
    • Steph replacing Cassandra as Batgirl wasn't well-received by all. Before that, her replacing Tim as Robin wasn't, either.
  • Rescued from the Scrappy Heap:
    • Dick Grayson is definitely seen as a lot more formidable now than back when he was Robin and wore tights and short-shorts in the Silver Age.
    • Jason Todd, for a short while anyway. Whether or not this has happened since his resurrection, he helped save friggin' Superman in For the Man Who Has Everything.
      • In the mini-series "The Cult", he also saved Batman's life, shook him out of a major BSOD, restored his faith in himself, and provided the impetus to save Gotham when Batman was ready to give up on it. Oh, and saved Batman's life again.
      • Also the Direct to DVD movie Batman: Under the Red Hood fixed a lot of the problems with the original story in which he came back and made him more sympathetic, resulting in more fans warming up to him in the comics.
    • Accomplished to such a degree with Damian that many who hated him are both surprised terrified with the fact that they are starting to LIKE him.
    • Flamebird. Due to her early Valley Girl nature and incompetence Post-Crisis, her clingy obsessive attitude, as well as being a retool of an already-campy character, fans didn't take to her very well. Geoff Johns and Ben Raab fleshed her out more in Beast Boy mini-series.
  • Rule of Cute: Funko Inc.'s collection of super-deformed, button-eyed DC heroes and villains, most of whom are Batman-related. Just look how cute that widdle Caped Crusader is! Also, Lego Batman.
  • The Scrappy: Damian Wayne, though he's getting better.
    • The Riddler. Not as bad as most others, but is generally labelled as the lamest of the big name rogues, with a mental disorder (OCD) that many find dull in comparison to the others. Emphasizing him as a "technically legal" villain has since quieted some of them down. Though back in the Golden Age and Silver Age, he actually was one of the most popular villains, since many of the other rogues who supplanted him hadn't been invented yet.
  • Ships That Pass in the Night: For a brief time, Flamebird was looking to be linked with Beast Boy.
  • Straw Man Has a Point: Jason Todd. Joker's not going to stop killing people now is he?
  • Tear Jerker: Alfred after Final Crisis. "Am I alright? ... No, sir. My son is dead."
  • Unfortunate Implications: Concerning Cassandra Cain—A female character that's more skilled than Batman? Quick! Turn her into a one-dimensional villain, make her so weak that even Tim Drake can beat her and make her moody! And while we're at it, a popular Asian character? Quick, let's replace her with someone with Blond Hair and Blue Eyes.
  • Wangst: Exactly how strongly this is portrayed falls squarely into Depending on the Writer.
  • The Woobie: Cassandra Cain, Stephanie Brown and Mister Freeze.
    • The Ventriloquist. How can you not feel for the guy? It ain't his fault that he has to share his brain with a ruthless, abusive gangster.

Examples from Batman, the 1966 TV Series

TV Series


Examples from Batman in film

The 1989 movie

1989 Movie

  • Badass Decay: Commisioner Gordon is perfectly competent in the Burton movies, but in the Shumacher films he's turned into a joke.
    • "Perfectly competent" might be pushing it. He doesn't really do anything, and is clearly based off of the goofy equally do-nothing TV show version.
  • Complete Monster: The Joker. He retains a certain amount of sympathy through being Laughably Evil and a Magnificent Bastard. But, he kills people just for pleasure the whole movie, he horribly disfigured his girlfriend Alicia (it's also implied he throws her out of a window), he shoots dead his long-time friend Bob just let out his anger, and intends to poison the whole of Gotham's citizenry with the Smylex gas, without showing much motivation or thought process about it.
    • Oh yeah, and he's the one who killed who Bruce's parents for no reason.
  • Crosses the Line Twice/Nightmare Fuel: In what was perhaps the movie's most infamous scene, the Joker electrocutes Tony Rotelli with a "real" joybuzzer and then briefly chats with his burned, husked, and still-smoking corpse, acting as if the dead man is still alive. Kids in the audience couldn't watch that scene for years afterwards!
  • Crowning Music of Awesome: Danny Elfman's Batman theme is by far the best, and influential (see the Batman the Animated Series theme.)
  • Ensemble Darkhorse: Bob! Even had his own action figure!
  • Fanon: While Jack Napier's partner who grabbed Mrs. Wayne's pearls is generally believed to be Bob, several fans assume him to be Joe Chill.
  • Fountain of Memes: Aside from the catchphrases, the Joker's initial reaction to seeing his new face (smashing the mirror, giggling madly) became widely imitated. (Example: Lisa Simpson seeing her braces.)

I'm Batman.
"Winged freak terrorizes"? Wait'll they get a load of ME!
This town needs an enema!
Alfred, let's go shopping.
He's out there right now. And I've gotta go to work.
Where does he get those wonderful toys?

"Ever dance with the Devil in the pale moonlight?"

  • Moral Event Horizon: When Joker killed Ensemble Darkhorse Bob if you liked him. Mind you anything else he does could qualify.
  • Romantic Plot Tumor: The amount of time focused on Bruce's relationship with Vicki - who is also desired by Knox and the Joker - makes this subplot come across as this to some viewers.
  • Seinfeld Is Unfunny: The first film was unique at the time. Comic book movies, and there weren't that many of them then, had never been so darkly elaborate before. It was also by far the darkest take on Batman beyond the actual comics. But after both the DCAU take on the characters and the Christopher Nolan reboot proved to be exceptional adaptations in their own right, and the lingering bad aftertaste of Schumacher's sequels tainted the series' reputation, it's harder to appreciate the Burton films for what they were/are.
  • What an Idiot!: The second of Joker's three goons at the top of the cathedral is a big fat guy who tries to jump down on him from a higher platform. And promptly falls through the floor before Batman even has time to turn around. Also qualifies as a Funny Moments.
  • What the Hell, Casting Agency?: Michael Keaton so thoroughly proved the naysayers wrong that, in hindsight, it's hard to remember just how bizarre casting a famously mild, unimposing comedic actor as a grim, Frank Miller-inspired version of Batman seemed at the time. Thousands of fans wrote letters to Warner Bros protesting the choice before the movie's release, and even Keaton himself initially thought that his being cast for the part meant that the film would be taking its cues from the TV series.
    • Which of course it was. It's just that back then people weren't quite as familiar with Tim Burton's recipe of "Take bright energetic thing. Make bright energetic thing dark and with a lot of odd angles. Add stripes and daddy issues. Cook until overdone."
  • WTH Costuming Department: Lawrence, the large, bald individual of the Joker goon squad, wears a Roman collar beneath his jacket.


Sequels to the 1989 movie with their own pages

Other films

Examples from Batman in Western Animation

Examples from Batman in Video Games

Trans-Franchise VG Tropes

  • The Problem with Licensed Games: In general, Bats has had more luck with this than most superheroes; his first NES outing by Sunsoft is considered one of the finest Nintendo Hard-in-a-good-way platformers, his 16-bit games tended to be at least okay (though this is the time period which The Angry Video Game Nerd found the most to object to), and the Arkham Series pretty much proved that licensed games don't have to be bad. He has still had some stinkers, though (like a few of the aforementioned 16-bit era games, or the Commodore 64 game, which looked cool but was a nightmare to actually play).

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